Legalize meth

Meth as well as drugs in general should be legalized.

It's pretty messed up to criminalize what somebody puts in there body.

We spend billions on drug prohibition.

Prohibition/the drug war doesn't work.

But that's far too logical to ever happen.
 
13743720:theabortionator said:
Meth as well as drugs in general should be legalized.

It's pretty messed up to criminalize what somebody puts in there body.

We spend billions on drug prohibition.

Prohibition/the drug war doesn't work.

But that's far too logical to ever happen.
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This.
 
13743720:theabortionator said:
Meth as well as drugs in general should be legalized.

It's pretty messed up to criminalize what somebody puts in there body.

We spend billions on drug prohibition.

Prohibition/the drug war doesn't work.

But that's far too logical to ever happen.
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Yeah, but drugs don't just affect the person taking them.

If they're parents, they could neglect their kids until they have to be get taken into foster care, increasing the taxes we pay towards state child care.

The increased amount of addicts would also see an increase in unemployment, again increasing taxes on the rest of us.

I live in Massachusetts, and we've been hit hard by the opiod/ heroine crisis. I know people who have lost loved ones because of it, and not because it's cut with fent or anything, just pure overdosing. I'm not about to legalize another addictive substance, the painkillers we have now are and enough.

I like the idea of total freedom of citizens, but we can't let people make reckless decisions that hurt their families and the economy, and we can't let drugs tear our families apart and turn cities into shitholes (i.e., the methadone mile).

I also know that we need rehabilitation instead of incarceration for the scores of addicts that are simply thrown in jail for a few nights. But legalization will only make matters worse.

Although, yes on 4. Legalize weed, just not anything harder.
 
13744130:doot said:
Yeah, but drugs don't just affect the person taking them.

If they're parents, they could neglect their kids until they have to be get taken into foster care, increasing the taxes we pay towards state child care.

The increased amount of addicts would also see an increase in unemployment, again increasing taxes on the rest of us.

I live in Massachusetts, and we've been hit hard by the opiod/ heroine crisis. I know people who have lost loved ones because of it, and not because it's cut with fent or anything, just pure overdosing. I'm not about to legalize another addictive substance, the painkillers we have now are and enough.

I like the idea of total freedom of citizens, but we can't let people make reckless decisions that hurt their families and the economy, and we can't let drugs tear our families apart and turn cities into shitholes (i.e., the methadone mile).

I also know that we need rehabilitation instead of incarceration for the scores of addicts that are simply thrown in jail for a few nights. But legalization will only make matters worse.

Although, yes on 4. Legalize weed, just not anything harder.
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A lot of things impact more than just one person. If you want to talk about families, it's already illegal to neglect your kids whether you're smoking meth, or drinking(legal) or just being a scumbag.

The fact that meth would be legal would not change this.

Also if you skip work, you can lose your job and the ability to pay for things your family needs. Should it be illegal to skip work?

You want to talk heroin? Cool, I've had friends die, I have friends who are hopelessly addicted, I've had people I know steal from me, I have friends in jail. As far as the overdosing, a lot of that really does come down to the fact that it's completely unregulated. It's like drinking a beer but the alcohol content could be a beer, almost nothing, 4 beers, or maybe something fucked up that will kill you. The big difference is you're shooting it up and playing on the edge, and these variances even, small with nothing but the purity can kill. The fact that people are selling all kinds of this and that's these days really doesn't help the matter.

Please tell me how legalizing it and regulating it would be worse in this instance. If you get a pill from the pharmacy it's supposed to be exactly what it says it is. There are dosage recommendations on how to use it as well as accountability if people fuck up manufacturing it, etc.

When you start shooting up, the line between where you're trying to get to, and death starts to get a bit close but that doesn't mean regulation wouldn't have a huge impact. People would still die from over doses from taking too much, mixing with alcohol or other substances etc but it would be less.

Right now you're trying to thread that line between getting high and death without even knowing what you're taking. That's crazy fucking dangerous.

You mentioned the increasing amount of addicts. This seems to point to the fact that the drug war is actually working. You can move anywhere in this country and find heroin or at least prescription pills pretty easily. That's pretty crazy though because drugs are illegal right? I think that if we legalized and taxed drugs we could combat the problem from a much better position. If we used some of the tax money to fund treatment and pushed REAL education instead of "smoke a joint and die" D.A.R.E. type bullshit.

If the drug war was working, we would have some results. Drugs are crazy illegal. Our prisons are full of people arrested for drugs. Our evidence lockers are full of drugs seized in raids. We have houses and cars we've seized from drug dealers. All of this and drugs are everywhere. Do you think it's possible that maybe the drug war doesn't work? I mean what the hell, we could just keep spending tens of billions and putting drug users in jail for the next few decades. I personally would love to not see my friends die, but whatever, this is America where logic means nothing, and tradition regardless of how ignorant trumps all.

You keep pointing to the family thing. Meth being illegal hasn't made it go away. Actually the drug war has helped make meth a thing because it's cheaper and easier to manufacture than other drugs.

The economy? Are you serious? Legalize and tax drugs. The money would be rolling in. This has been said for years but if that means nothing, look at the legal marijuana business.

You say that legalization will only make things worse. How? Be specific. I can't take any more "drugs are bad because their bad and we're going to win this war on them drugs" on this issue.

Legalize everything. You can get high from a ton of different things in your local hardware store. Should that all be illegal? Should it be kept off the shelves. What if having duster on the shelf makes it impossible for me not to buy it, lose my job, and my kids?

Legalizing marijuana is a fucking obvious one because the prohibition really has no grounds, but the drug war in general is a joke.

Let's just pretend that some how after all these years, the drug war will suddenly start working. Who cares how many people die or end up in prison during that time. Because we would rather hold onto these bullshit feel good kitty meme views of a world that doesn't do hard drugs rather than be even remotely realistic.

In my opinion some of the blame for the situation at hand can be placed on people like you and the police etc that perpetuate this "war".
 
13744162:.frenchy said:
or.... how about no. nothing good comes from that drug... how bout we go with weed?
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Meth's already legal. Here in the USA it is legal with a prescription in all 50 states under the brand name Desoxyn. You can't even get medical weed in 1/2 the country and it's still federally illegal for physicians to write cannabis prescriptions because of it's schedule 1 status.
 
13744160:theabortionator said:
A lot of things impact more than just one person. If you want to talk about families, it's already illegal to neglect your kids whether you're smoking meth, or drinking(legal) or just being a scumbag.

The fact that meth would be legal would not change this.

Also if you skip work, you can lose your job and the ability to pay for things your family needs. Should it be illegal to skip work?

You want to talk heroin? Cool, I've had friends die, I have friends who are hopelessly addicted, I've had people I know steal from me, I have friends in jail. As far as the overdosing, a lot of that really does come down to the fact that it's completely unregulated. It's like drinking a beer but the alcohol content could be a beer, almost nothing, 4 beers, or maybe something fucked up that will kill you. The big difference is you're shooting it up and playing on the edge, and these variances even, small with nothing but the purity can kill. The fact that people are selling all kinds of this and that's these days really doesn't help the matter.

Please tell me how legalizing it and regulating it would be worse in this instance. If you get a pill from the pharmacy it's supposed to be exactly what it says it is. There are dosage recommendations on how to use it as well as accountability if people fuck up manufacturing it, etc.

When you start shooting up, the line between where you're trying to get to, and death starts to get a bit close but that doesn't mean regulation wouldn't have a huge impact. People would still die from over doses from taking too much, mixing with alcohol or other substances etc but it would be less.

Right now you're trying to thread that line between getting high and death without even knowing what you're taking. That's crazy fucking dangerous.

You mentioned the increasing amount of addicts. This seems to point to the fact that the drug war is actually working. You can move anywhere in this country and find heroin or at least prescription pills pretty easily. That's pretty crazy though because drugs are illegal right? I think that if we legalized and taxed drugs we could combat the problem from a much better position. If we used some of the tax money to fund treatment and pushed REAL education instead of "smoke a joint and die" D.A.R.E. type bullshit.

If the drug war was working, we would have some results. Drugs are crazy illegal. Our prisons are full of people arrested for drugs. Our evidence lockers are full of drugs seized in raids. We have houses and cars we've seized from drug dealers. All of this and drugs are everywhere. Do you think it's possible that maybe the drug war doesn't work? I mean what the hell, we could just keep spending tens of billions and putting drug users in jail for the next few decades. I personally would love to not see my friends die, but whatever, this is America where logic means nothing, and tradition regardless of how ignorant trumps all.

You keep pointing to the family thing. Meth being illegal hasn't made it go away. Actually the drug war has helped make meth a thing because it's cheaper and easier to manufacture than other drugs.

The economy? Are you serious? Legalize and tax drugs. The money would be rolling in. This has been said for years but if that means nothing, look at the legal marijuana business.

You say that legalization will only make things worse. How? Be specific. I can't take any more "drugs are bad because their bad and we're going to win this war on them drugs" on this issue.

Legalize everything. You can get high from a ton of different things in your local hardware store. Should that all be illegal? Should it be kept off the shelves. What if having duster on the shelf makes it impossible for me not to buy it, lose my job, and my kids?

Legalizing marijuana is a fucking obvious one because the prohibition really has no grounds, but the drug war in general is a joke.

Let's just pretend that some how after all these years, the drug war will suddenly start working. Who cares how many people die or end up in prison during that time. Because we would rather hold onto these bullshit feel good kitty meme views of a world that doesn't do hard drugs rather than be even remotely realistic.

In my opinion some of the blame for the situation at hand can be placed on people like you and the police etc that perpetuate this "war".
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I mostly agree with you. The war on drugs has largely failed. Incarceration rates are through the roof. And you debunked a shitload of my argument but I'll keep fighting anyway.

Something as detrimental to society as heroine should not be readily available in society.

In Colorado, they made bank off of both taxation of weed and weed tourism, but they also had increases in instances of impaired driving, and kids overdosing on edibles and ending up in the hospital. The legalization of all drugs would increase these effects.

I refute your claim that nobody else would begin using drugs, should they be legalized. First, legalization's positive effect of making drugs safer overall than sketchy street stuff would make highly addictive substances like heroin more appealing and create an illusion of relative safety, because people now think that it's government-sanctioned. Second, thanks to the war on drugs, the price of drugs is up an estimated 3 to 20 times their market value. Should they be legalized, the prices would plummet, making drugs more accessible to a wider market. While this would lower crime rates, the now-lower cost of drugs like heroine, meth, PCP, etc. would attract new customers, and allow for larger (potentially dangerous) quantities to be sold at once.

And crime rates would only drop if those committing crimes to obtain money for drugs decreased at a higher rate than the inevitable increase in crimes like impaired driving, child abuse/neglect, and probably a bout of public intoxication (although that charge is kinda bullshit)

In conclusion, I think your idea certainly has merits. I also think it is, in part, wrong. I'm fine to agree to disagree. I don't think there's ever gonna be a perfect solution to this.
 
13744183:doot said:
I mostly agree with you. The war on drugs has largely failed. Incarceration rates are through the roof. And you debunked a shitload of my argument but I'll keep fighting anyway.

Something as detrimental to society as heroine should not be readily available in society.

In Colorado, they made bank off of both taxation of weed and weed tourism, but they also had increases in instances of impaired driving, and kids overdosing on edibles and ending up in the hospital. The legalization of all drugs would increase these effects.

I refute your claim that nobody else would begin using drugs, should they be legalized. First, legalization's positive effect of making drugs safer overall than sketchy street stuff would make highly addictive substances like heroin more appealing and create an illusion of relative safety, because people now think that it's government-sanctioned. Second, thanks to the war on drugs, the price of drugs is up an estimated 3 to 20 times their market value. Should they be legalized, the prices would plummet, making drugs more accessible to a wider market. While this would lower crime rates, the now-lower cost of drugs like heroine, meth, PCP, etc. would attract new customers, and allow for larger (potentially dangerous) quantities to be sold at once.

And crime rates would only drop if those committing crimes to obtain money for drugs decreased at a higher rate than the inevitable increase in crimes like impaired driving, child abuse/neglect, and probably a bout of public intoxication (although that charge is kinda bullshit)

In conclusion, I think your idea certainly has merits. I also think it is, in part, wrong. I'm fine to agree to disagree. I don't think there's ever gonna be a perfect solution to this.
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With the kids getting fucked up on the weeds, there were some problems relating to the edibles. I mean there were already edibles but when every kind of candy including the normal brownies cakes etc had weed versions things got hectic. I don't really see that happening with heroin.

I think weed is harmless enough that it lends itself more to the "Fuck it it's legal". It isn't seen as a big deal in culture anymore and young people don't give a fuck. If somebody offers a persona joint they're more likely to say "Fuck it I'll try it". Even if heroin was legal most people wouldn't feel the urge to suddenly send it.

I do think we could see an initial spike in usage if we legalized it. The same with the end of any prohibition but I see this balancing out relatively quickly.

The pills that most people are getting hooked through are legal. I mean if you don't have a script it's illegal but still. At the same time people have really noticed the dangers of prescription votes. You wouldn't really be getting prescribed most of these drugs if any regardless of their relation to certain prescription drugs. Also they would probably have crazy "if you take this you will die" labels and what not.

As far as the legalization of drugs, it doesn't necessarily need to make them cheaper. The taxes can move in to take up the balance left from black market to legal product. That said the tricky thing with drugs is accessibility. You don't want them to be too accessible but if drugs were cheaper there could be less problems associated with people being able to afford them. You might have people addicted to drugs, but have no real need to steal. Also with better treatment options there could be some hope.

This is something that would have to be looked at to figure out the best plan. There is no perfect route to this but at the same time, our current methods are pretty whack.

As far as the dangerous quantities, it's all dangerous. I don't think that them being more affordable or legal would cause people to use larger amounts. People know what it takes to get them off, the cut off really isn't money as they'll find the money to get what they need. They're trying to get high/keep from getting sick not kill themselves.

As you said at the end there is no perfect solution. Unfortunately we seem to make 0 attempts at looking at alternatives. Any candidate who even mentions reasonable policies on the drug war has no chance. Even if the people are just sucking down the bullshit from fox/cnn/msnbc it's still on them. It's sad that we can't even have real discussions about real issues.

On the news we see all the time about how horrible the heroin epidemic is and how we need to do something. Then we throw more money at the drug war, lock more people up, and can't figure out why things haven't gotten better.

At a certain point we have to at least try something different, or at least consider talking about it. If we keep going down the road we're on with the drug war we've already lost.
 
13744130:doot said:
The increased amount of addicts would also see an increase in unemployment, again increasing taxes on the rest of us.

r.
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Nope, Portugal decriminalized all drugs and drug use decreased.
 
13743809:Randy_Quench said:
Really dude? You're a piece of shit.
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And you can go fuck your self. Read the board, next post I make states "Decriminalizes yes, legalize no". Think you could extrapolate some sarcasm for that?
 
You can have a funny thread about anything and dudes will still write a whole essay to say how the other is wrong.. Man shiiet
 
13745042:weedoo said:
You can have a funny thread about anything and dudes will still write a whole essay to say how the other is wrong.. Man shiiet
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Not really a funny thread. About as funny as bigspences "Hurrr hurrr hee hee we high on hard drugs thread"

You could say stupid thread that people post seriously but funny? Meh. Don't quitcha day job
 
13745067:theabortionator said:
Not really a funny thread. About as funny as bigspences "Hurrr hurrr hee hee we high on hard drugs thread"

You could say stupid thread that people post seriously but funny? Meh. Don't quitcha day job
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Whatever you say man, at least i have a day job than getting pissed on ns
 
13745167:weedoo said:
Whatever you say man, at least i have a day job than getting pissed on ns
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My job is probably more fun than you but whatever

YOLO

Also if you think this is me mad lolz. You must be new here. Typing on NS is my therapy when I'm not on snow dawg.

peace out bru
 
13745208:theabortionator said:
My job is probably more fun than you but whatever

YOLO

Also if you think this is me mad lolz. You must be new here. Typing on NS is my therapy when I'm not on snow dawg.

peace out bru
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True enough bro hahah No hurt feelings
 
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