Last year to hit Chad's Gap and Pyramid

first things first. i did not read this thread at all. here are my thoughts.. im posting them again since they were on the bottom of the last page and i kinda actually want them to be seen.

this should be thought of as an opportunity to go find new more awesome backcountry gaps please. im fucking sick of seeing people hit chads and pyramid in every single movie every single year anyways. it would be nice for some more wanna be backcountry people to have easier access to the gulch... and it leaves our community with the opportunity to move elsewhere and find bigger and better shit. so quit yo bitchin.
 
^wannabe backcountry people??? Chads is less than a 20 min walk from the parking lot. Lame excuse. Preserve our BC zones. Up there, I'm more worried about Wolverine than anything. Though it's more the principal. And read the rest of the thread you lazy bum!
 
maybe 1/1000th of the people who have entered Grizzly gulch have ever hit Chad's gap. I'd say it's safe to assume 1/4 of the people that go don't even know what chad's gap is.

Your statement doesn't much sense. The access to the gulch couldn't get any easier if you're a "wanna be backcountry" person. you get out of our car and you're there. If you're a wanna be backcountry person you're not going to want to take a lift to a spot you used to be able to walk 10 minutes to.

this thread should be moved to regionals since half the people posting in it think it revolves solely around two gaps, rather than an entire area.
 
Maybe I should clarify.. Of course I don't expect your average shmo with a pair of touring bindings and some skins to head into the gulch and try and build a jump over one of these 2 well renowned gaps. My point was more this and perhaps it sounded a little idiotic... If the resorts want to put a lift in the land they own then they should be able to and it would be nice to open up more terrain to other guests.. the world does not revolve around our niche that likes to build enormous jumps and do double flips over them... nor does it revolve around the niche of backcountry skiers who spend a lot of time in the area skiing and exploring and touring, etc. My point was more this.. if it were to happen.. which it likely will since money is the driving factor in all resort decisions.. then it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.. hopefully for our community it would mean a chance to find new, bigger and better gaps elsewhere. hope that makes more sense.
 
our public lands (that's every american NOT just utards) is at stake here!!!

they are trying to force the forest service to sell our PUBLIC lands to a PRIVATE corporation.

if this happens it will be the catalyst of a massive land grab by the ski resorts of the central wasatch

this is an issue for every skier
 
That's the thing you missed by not reading the thread. The resort doesn't own the land. They lease it from the US Forrest Service (I think that's the governing body of it). So technically it's my land, and other tax payers land to do what we please wit hit. Not the land of a corporation to do whatever they want with it. The gulch itself is small, but thinking of Wolvy, Superior, Cardiff, and all of flagstaff being a run or slackcountry just blows.

 
my bad.. I had read somewhere along the way that that land was owned by the resort. if that's not the case then I guess I'll have to rescind my not so strong opinion and pretty much say whatever. It is out of my hands... I hope to see new gaps in future movies.. and I certainly won't be disappointed to continue seeing pyramid and chad's gaps in movies every year. Those are pretty well renowned gaps so it would definitely be a bit of a blow to our community if we could no longer have the chance to be building and progressing out there... I guess I am just open to the idea of exploring other backcountry and finding new equally as impressive gaps to show case every year in movies.. =D
 
Preface: As an independent observer who has never skied in the State of Utah, but who understands the dynamics of the terrain, I think I can go on record here as an objective voice.

The way I see it, the Canyons/Solitude connection chairlift, called SkiLink (http://www.skilink.com/) should have no appreciable effect on backcountry access. It's a gondola with no intermediate station. There's a station at Solitude and there's a station at Canyons. No unloading whatsoever.

The assertion that SkiLink would increase backcountry access is not true, and the facts back this up. Now, might it compromise the "backcountry skiing experience"? Perhaps. But it's not like the Wasatch are exactly "untarnished wilderness" either. Twenty or thirty lift towers are not going to affect the way the land skis, and it's not going to affect backcountry usage.

However, this does not speak to the practical purpose of the lift. It understand the argument that the gondola would decrease tourist traffic to Big Cottonwood Canyon.

Let's be honest here; there are two types of skiers who come to SLC: "expert" skiers and tourists. These so-called "expert" skiers may not be experts in ability level (although most are), but they do ski frequently every year. That means that they are avid, passionate skiers and snowboarders. The "tourist" group includes people that might ski five to ten times a year on down to complete novices.

LCC and BCC are known as meccas for the "expert" skier group, with some bleed-in by "tourists," but not much. Park City is known generally as the more "tourist"-centric locale, with some bleed in by "experts," but, again, not too much.

Now, the "tourist" group tends to stay in Park City. That's understandable, given that there isn't much of a nightlife in either of the canyons. These tourists tend to at least desire a day or two of skiing in BCC or LCC. And when they want to do that, they drive up the road to those canyons, greatly increasing traffic. The SkiLink system would mitigate that.

I take a pragmatist stance. The SkiLink solution is focused on the skier, rather than the typical tourist. This opens up additional terrain under one lift ticket, which would be a boon for skiing in Utah. And, in my view, something like this is inevitably in Utah's future, whether you guys like it or not. And it could be a huge boon for Utah's tourism industry. And it could be good for backcountry skiers as well. See more below.

This alternative is preferable to the AltaBright and CottonPark tunnels. Those systems would have been car-centric. They would have increased carbon dioxide emissions, working against climate change mitigation directives by the State of Utah. And they would've caused considerably more environmental harm than I see the SkiLink system causing.

In summary, SkiLink has earned selkirks' approval.

This, however, does not mean that I would support other projects ongoing in the Wasatch. Here's a quick summary of what I think:

Alta. I'd reject the Flagstaff Mountain expansion that was proposed not too long ago. That's because the proposed expansion would encroach on important backcountry areas, harm the Salt Lake Valley's water supply, and cause some environmental problems that could go unmitigated. And the south-facing terrain would not provide very good skiing.

As for Grizzly Gulch, we need to be completely clear here. No approvals have been given by the USFS for anything to be built up there. There hasn't even been a plan submitted. There will not be a lift in the Gulch next summer. That's a fact. However, once the potential expansion is submitted for review, I should say that I understand the logic of an expansion into Grizzly Gulch much more than I do an expansion onto Flagstaff. There has been snowcat skiing in the Gulch for years. It seems like a logical progression. And given the size of the BCC and LCC resorts (they're not huge), I would support a limited expansion of up to 400 acres if it took into account backcountry access, wildlife patterns, environmental mitigation, and other important concerns.

I'd even support a lift connecting LCC with BCC, but only if the backcountry, wildlife, and environmental concerns are mitigated. That means I'd want a short route with no intermediate unloading and no new road-building for construction. And I'd want to make sure that wildlife habitat is not heavily impacted.

Snowbird. This is a more difficult one. Mary Ellen is an interesting plot of land, but the expansion proposal seems a bit...supersized? Do we really need a second tram? Granted, it is a small one, but I still question the magnitude of this proposal. It creates a Snowbird with a huge breadth. Breadth is good, but at what point do you start sacrificing the viability of your existing terrain? Let's focus on the existing terrain that is already at the resort and see what we can do with increased marketing to different markets. Granted, this one is already essentially approved, but in the future, it's this type of development that needs to stop.

Solitude. I agree with the USFS' decision to halt the proposed expansion into Silver Fork. That would have caused significant side country and backcountry access issues and in my view, it wasn't in the best interest of the State of Utah or the County. It would have caused environmental issues in potential contamination of drinking water and other significant issues that were not addressed.

 
You pretty much invalidated yourself by saying this, kind of hard to even read what you said after that statement.
 
too bad we are speaking about a lift up grizzly gulch in LLC, not the just the connection you have spent a massive amount of time writing about...
 
carefull move to far, not nug up your tech and or realize need for

sfb492.jpg


and when ya knucle up and ankle crush them Alta redcoats may not be there as fast to sled ya out.

FKNA right on Matheson

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/53036988-90/canyons-forest-goar-gondola.html.csp?page=2

Thanks Matheson.........

Picture2-4.png


this is why i bother votin and let bro put his signs in our yard
 
for those naysayers that don't think alta is serious about expanding into grizzly gulch, i give you Mike Lee endorsed Senate Bill 684: A bill to provide for the conveyance of certain parcels of land to the town of Alta, Utah!!!!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-684

I can't really find out where these two acres are, but I'd really like to know. I also put money down on that land being in the patsy marley area or grizzly gulch.

Senator Mike Lee is a strong candidate for biggest douche in the senate! just google "bills sponsored by mike lee" for a full list of the idiocy.

by the way its already passed in the senate, only the house and obama stand in the way now
 
Back
Top