im not accusing you of not being able to do all 4 9s, 7s or whatever. someone else stated the fact that if you cant do all 4 7s, then its kinda stupid to pull a 12. now a switch 12 is nice and all, but i hate spin to win. if i see someone throw all for 9s or whatever, i'd be a lot more impressed then if someone threw a sw12. i dont know bout you guys, but thats my opinion