Jumping is dangerous!!!!!! (sorry for another rcr thread)

Klick_2_klaim

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Nice work Mr. Schmuck.... You sir have a way with the essay form of communication.

There are probably alot of points of view swirling around out there right now about the whole "no jump" thing. On NS I think the main thesis would have to be "what were they thinking?"

Now don't kill me for this, but... Maybe RCR is right, maybe the safety of the consumer is paramount over the fun. Don't get me wrong, I think that this decision is super whack and just doesn't make sense. I think that the people who made this decision, shouldn't be in charge of a huge corporation, because clearly for them the easy most direct way to the exit is the way they make their decisions. That is not how you do business and its not how you win clients in a consumer driven world. I can almost guarantee that anyone who called in, emailed, or mailed a letter of commendation to RCR for making this decision was not a parent or relative of a kid who rides park on a regular basis, thus making their opinion invalid.

Anyone who has eaten shit on a jump inside or outside the park can tell you that it sucks, or it would be called eating candy canes. It hurts to crash and pain is inherent in any situation where there is a long drop to a sudden stop. The stunts are dangerous kid! But thats the point. If there wasn't an element of danger; who would do it? That is part of the fun. Limiting the actual danger is the job of the resort and the people involved. That includes the rider... when Louise had the comment boxes, the parks were pretty sick, no lie. Even last year the jumps were pretty good I think. Smaller, but still... good.

I also am completely disillusioned by this Matt Mosteller (or whatever) guy, I call complete bullshit on anyone who says a major precedent setting lawsuit doesn't sway their decision one way or another. He has to watch his ass now, one jerk off does it, now anyone can. I don't know the dood that hurt himself, I don't care about him. What I do care about is my sport, and its future... 1st its jumps, then what? when people start getting super gaysted on rails etc, thats all folks, see ya jibbin! After that, well goodbye pipe riding... want to talk about expensive?

Anyways, here is my point, yes what we do is dangerous, and we should take full responsibility for our abilities and actions. But you cant count on people for that, not now, not ever. There will always be that guy suing someone else for something he/she is at fault for. Im sure Tim Horton's decision to put warnings on their coffee cups had nothing to do with the lawsuit against Macdonald's for their hot coffee burning a retarded lady in the states, right? When airbags came out... people claimed that they took more lives than they saved... but did the automobile industry stop making them and throwing them in every corner of your car? No, they improved them, tested them, made sure they were doing the right thing.

This isn't much different... do the research, find out what works, find a level of safety that helps the industry. Minimize the danger, maximize the safety, keep it fun... I don't think it is hard. If you have been to Snowpark in NZ, Mammoth, Bear in cali, Whistler, or any number of well managed well funded, well thought out parks, than you can see it can be done. No sweat... well alot of sweat, and hard work actually.

RCR copped out on its customers, they looked you in the eye and told you to fuck yourselves. Don't support them, show them as a community we can make a difference. They may not change their minds, but at least they'll loose a large income stream. These people are lying to you, and don't care.

Finally, for all you people out west: come on down to sunshine. The jumps are made of real snow, so when you eat candy canes... its not so bad! (plus we got 20 g's in new rails and boxes!)

double K
 
i honestly think this whole rcr thing is stupid. in this case i think the waiver would be good but i think they should just make it an assumed risk there so like by entering the park have it on a big sign that the resort can in no way be held responsible for any injury.
 
that seems like it would work but any good lawyer will eat most waivers for lunch. its hard to make something lawsuit-proof.
 
waivers are great, but anyone can sign them.... any ted can walk into a park joint, sign the waiver, get the sticker and kill them selves. then the lawyer gets involved and its all over.

always keep in mind that there is no money in a closed case. now that there is a reason to make a case, these things are going to get worse and worse.
 
How come the little paragraph on the back of any lift ticket that says "By buying this ticket, you agree to our terms and conditions, and understand that we, (insert ski resort here) do not take any responsibility for any INJURIES, lost, or stolen gear while you are at our resort" does not apply to this case?  And what about those white and orange signs at  the top of any park that say "Use caution while in the park.....you are repsonsible for your injuries and those you cause to others....Terrain parks are for advanced skiers only...only do you what you know you can do.....ETC."  Why dont any of these warnings hold up in court?
 
^^^

Those types of waivers are more of a guidline type thing, they dont tend to hold up to the law.

Any litigator would tear that shit up in 2 seconds.

Most tickets and signs say: "ski and ride with care"

Does that sound like a statement that makes anyone less liable?
 
You had some pretty useful comments, but next time why don't you just post them in the other thread so we stop shitting up this forum with collective nonsense about this stupid issue
 
^^^ true that. But seriously rcr made a dumb ass decision and mad props for that rant, you killed it.
 
well put

im actually refunding my RCR pass this week, and anyone who has been fucked over by RCR and gets their pass refunded can go and buy a season pass at sunshine for the earlybird price, all you have to do is show that you got your RCR pass refunded, and say the name of the terain park at sunshine "the mountain rogers terrain park"
 
Well, Im sorry to offend you. I really am.

But I kind of figured that the interweb had more than enough room for my little rant... most people seem to agree with my choice to "shit up" the forums.

 
well put, and more people get hurt on the slopes than in the park. People can get paralysed just skiing glades or even normal runs. Any sport you take part in you risk the danger of getting hurt. So it was a stupid decision made by the higher powers, and they probably don't even ski park, so it would be easiest to undercut them.
 
I am anything but offended, rather I am confused as to why you thought your groundbreaking analysis of this issue deemed its own thread.
 
He's sorry for wasting your time. Next time he will be sure to make a "Favorite Pro" thread, or a "cool hat" thread in ski-gabber, instead of discussing what is possibly the most important news to hit the freeskiing industry in the past few years.

To the original poster, thanks for a good read and your view on the situation.
 
Because you have 14 posts thats why.

This shit is huge.. and it is basically death to stunts.

I guess I shoulda made a what should my din be set at thread.

Dont be a dick. If you dont like what I said, then hate on it, but dont make stupid rhetoric. Dummy!
 
yeah dude seriously the future of freesking is suuuch a stupid issue. im going back to the t-hall vs t-wall thread. now THAT is some serious shit.

retard.
 
AHAHAHA,

but seriously i am boycotting RCR until they put jumps back in their park. Everyone shit up COP and Sunshine for sure
 
I get what you're trying to say, it even makes sense, I do think on the other hand that since virtually no one on this forum is actually going to do shit except rabble rouse that we would all be better served if we concentrated all the bullshit everyone is propagating into one thread.

I mean really, outside of slapping our fat hands against our keyboards on this forum, nobody here will probably put their money where their mouth is, and do anything about it.

What do I know, I mean I have like 15 posts (counting this one)
 
Im pretty sure you meant "hit up" not shit up lol. Anyways good thread and I really hope other mountains don't start to pull this dumb shit.
 
That being the whole point of a forum.

I am doing my part, Im boycotting RCR. And not just for the foreseeable future, for a long time.

NOw you have 18 posts, congrats buddy.

There is a sticky on this in this same exact forum. I just wanted to share my thoughts. You dont like it? SICK! Im glad you're sharing your opinion, but just remember hypocrite, you're "muttering" up the forum too with your keystrokes just as much as I am. The ironic part is...YOU AGREE WITH ME!

hahaha, nice!
 
see, I consider people refunding their rcr passes 'doing something.' I also consider pretty much everyone within a three hour radius of any rcr resort writing letters to matt mosteller letting him know what they think of this 'doing something.' I also consider people complaining about RCR to the better business beaurau for false advertising 'doing something.' And lastly, I consider writing news ariticles to get more debate and more publicity about this 'doing something.' But hey, you must know what you're talking about, why else would you come into a thread, start shit for no reason, then bash everyone by saying we're all just "slapping our fat hands against a keyboard?" So, either every course of action I've seen people take in and around the area is all a complete fabrication, or you're a cocky little shit who has no idea what he's talking about, and should go back to talking about tanner in one of the hundreds of threads we have on that topic.
 
http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/story.html?id=2a981bf8-feba-4f3c-b2cf-b582a1b1f431

I think this article in todays Calgary Herald shows both sides of every argument you could have about the subject... its long, but read it all. And do what you can!
 
Both good reads, thanks for that.

What I got out of that article seemed to be:

1. COP, sunshine and Norquay will be the places to be

2. I'm happy COP is keeping the half pipe alive

3. profit and liability are the dictators in this debacle

 
very good thread i must say. i am truly saddened by the decision of the RCR, its to bad that because of one man, they have to shut down jumps. but at the same time i think its good because now the other resorts will get more business and letting them put more money into the parks at the mountains will encourage more people to support them instead of RCR.
 
Well said. This whole decision is really dumb. Think, if we skiers are going crazy about this, think how many boarders would be! Their number of jump users must be quite a bit higher than us skiers. (falling, but I'm pretty sure there are still more of them)

They will be losing so much money on this, so much money...
 
yep and as someone in schmucks review said, this whole thing is probably all about money because we all know rails are much easier and cheaper to maintain.

if all this shutting down the jumps thing is because of money, well then that is just plain selfish and greedy. although they say that many parents are on board with their decision, resorts all over north america get the same complaints. except they have the balls and integrity to just hire better management and satisfy everyone.
 
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