Judging Double Flips

Alex_G

Alex_G

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now since everybody is throwing dubs, big air competitions will never be the same again. How do you think different doubles should be judged? Better said, which ones are better or harder than others?
 
I think the easier of the doubles would be the double front and double back. The kangaroo flip IMO appears to be more difficult than either of those. But now there's even more stuff, like Peter O's new double like misty to backflip thing that was posted last week. That seems as difficult as the kangaroo flip but I'm hesitant to say which is harder....I think it takes somebody who can actually do them to make the real judgement call. I would say it has to be agreed upon in the pro's circle maybe? It's a tough question.
What do you think tho?
 
that's a good point too, a double cork is crazy and again, I would imagine it's super difficult. I'm tempted to say that is more impressive than any double flip but idk.
 
Most double flips look rad to start with so i guess it will come down to overall technicality, just like a switch nine and switch ten are both dope tricks but a switch ten is technically harder. I really hope that style doesn't go out the window with people inventing new doubles though.
 
i reckon dub corks would be harder i cant imagine how you would go into the second cork just a mind fuck for me but idk they all seem so tech now!
 
Personally i think the dub fronts and backs are pretty lame (although i can't do them) compared to like kang's and dub corks. So i'm thinkin that the dubs that invert differently like the olson or the kang should be judged better no doubt cause the front's and backs just take major huck witch ever other big air trick takes.
 
i did peter o's flip into a foam pit yesterday and let me tell you it definitly isn't an easy one.
 
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the olsson flip? jea that looks pretty tricky but we all know a super man double front is way better
 
i think he means the one at about 40 secondsNiklas Eriksson SuperUnknown09 Winner from Ante Olofsson on Vimeo.
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Another problem is that double flips and corks can be sooo different from one another, for example you can have double rodeos, double flatspins, rodeo to flatspin, misty to backflip(petey O), rodeo 5s to cork 3s, cork 3 to rodeo 5s, ... so many combinations are going to pop up in the next year that are gonna lead to a judgiing nightmare. Which is more tech? Which is harder to make look easy? Is a unnatty kang harder then a double cork 12?

good question, i think its going to be hell to judge but then again our sport already, to a lesser form, had this problem with judging bios, flatspins, corks, mistys and rodeos appart from eachother which might of seemed like a huge obstacle in the past.

Let it up to uncle E to figure it out for next xgames
 
yeah im not talking dub front or dub back that shits way in the past im talkin like DJ flip vs olsson flip vs. sw dub rodeo vs. kang flip vs. hexoflip, vs dubcork/swdubcork all that shit. should we be setting a standard as to which is tougher or not? I think unnatty dubs are where its at now with cosco doing sw unnatty dub rodeo and and andreas with both dub cork 10s. once people start throwing dubs both ways during big air comps is when there will be one dominant double flipper again.
 
setting standards? categorizing which trick is harder than another? that is a very bad idea. as soon as you start categorizing tricks as for which is more difficult than the other and judge it higher or lower based on said standards, you are putting rules, restrictions, and barriers against the progression of our sport. remember - it doesn't matter which trick is harder than the other, if someone throws a hucked double cork with no grab it should NOT beat out a lesser trick with amazing fluidity and an awesome grab tweaked in such a way that makes you drool.

if you are simply going to judge big air competitions based on what trick is technically harder, and not award points to style, well... that is when we will lose the freedom and turn into ariels.
 
truth, im just saying when everybodys throwing them perfectly which ones would YOU judge better as harder.
obviously people are gonna fall and slip on grabs, everybody does. but say its jon vs andreas or pk and they are stomping their shit perfectly and all the dubs look amazing with held grabs perfectly which dubs would you guys think should be up top?
 
whichever one I thought looked best? unless there's an obvious reason as to which trick is harder, it really shouldn't matter. that's the thing about judging this kind of stuff. it's up to the judge to decide which trick is more deserving.
 
Double corks have got to be waaaay harder then kangs, I just can't see how you could roll into the second cork but that's just me.
 
i agree with him ^^

i think double corks have to be the hardest of all doubles. but thats just me.

then maybe kang > double back > double front. i really don't know.
 
try it on a tramp. and to ^, do the same thing. Just throw a normal cork with a big spin and don't land it, stayed tucked in a ball. You will automatically go into a double. Very hard to land on a tramp unless you get a double bounce, even then you need a ton of air.
 
thats my point genius, if you are the judge what would you say for different tricks, what do you think looks the best
 
yeah but from what ive seen when hes switch hes always looking behind left shoulder so its bassically not unnatural, not that this takes anything away from the trick
 
if he's spinning a way that doesn't feel as normal as the the other, thats unnatural, even though hes obviously pretty ambi. i definitely think that niklas erikson's sw dub flat 10, if that's indeed what it is, is the best dub i've seen so far. it's difficult, switch, and incredibly stylish, what more can one ask for?
 
that's impossible to answer, because it would be different depending on how the person threw it. a double cork 12 can look completely different based on so many factors it is not something I can say is better than something else. understand?

just because a switch double cork 1080 mute grab would win a big air competition against a double cork 1260 tail, doesn't mean it would next time around depending on how each was thrown.
 
kangaroos are actually one of the easier dubs, at least from what i've heard. dude i talked to at windells was telling me how on a water ramp double flats are actually easier than double backs.
but it also depends on the grab that you do in the dub, but if we're just assuming that everyone does the typical mute/high mute then i would say that pk's swtich double 12 is pretty rad. basically do a quick switch one then set a double 10, shit is bonkers. i think that beats a double 14, but i have no fucking clue because i'm a lifetime away from being able to do either
i can double back and double flat on a trampoline (claim) but double corks are way way harder. i get lost in the air and i've never had one even look like it was going to work. plus its a lot easier to take flips from the trampoline to snow than it is for corks, so i assume that doubles would be the same, so yea in terms of technicality i think double corks are best
 
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