wow.....you really didn't read my post eh. Look up where i live on google earth. Kapuskasing Ontario Canada. A place where people ski in - 40 to -60 C. Im pumped on oakley because they don't just give you a little track jacket to keep you warm, they insulate their coats and pants. So when i go skiing, I DON'T FREEEEZE. In -40 you don't give a fuck about about Waterproofing, because water freezes at 0. Ive owned siver, orage, helly hansen, north face.....and the best has been oakley FOR EVERYTHING. Your retarded.