jibbing.com shut down b/c charles and john couldn't agree on anything and when one person would do the work the other would change it all around.  john is in college right now (www.minoflow.com) doing web design shit and who knows where charlez is, but he's still around...and he's not fuckin' dead.  i was suppose to finish it w/john, but never got a chance to...i just wrote the voting script and it never went out anywhere.  it was gonna be a free skiing homepage site.
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I always say what I feel and that is a promise, nothing in life is above being honest - 311
from chaos comes clarity, I tell ya what you appare to me, you ought to know glycerin tears don't fool me, i tell ya delusions plaguing everybody - 311