Jesus = Normal Human?

i just have one more question.....if it all evolved than why does everyone have a different retina scan and finger print.....and like at the very beginning of evolution before the eye was what it is today, could everyone/everything see or were they blind
 
its because everyones skin grows differently, and everyones eye grows differently, lots of out body parts are all completely different, no one has the same heart, stomache, liver, everything, no two body parts are EXACTLY the same, that gives your point no credit because every part of all of us is different.
 
Exactly. I agree on all points. There are sharper crayons in the box, and there are those that aren't and I think we are dealing with a dull one.
 
So really John Lennon wasn't Smart? You may recall he was also a proponent of "no religion too"

I guess I see your points, but personally, I don't have a religion. I'm not a believer in any supernatural forces.

I have a pretty strong suspicion that when this bunch of cells and the electrical impulses that drive them stop functioning as a unit, I will no longer be cognizant of the world around me and the remains I leave behind will be all that I am/was. I am satisfied with the idea that we humans haven't learned all there is to know, and probably will kill ourselves off long before we do. I have this one life to live, and if I can do good while I am here and also enjoy my stay, then I have done well. I'm not really concerned with looking to a future that is intangable, that's a waste.

Tomorrow may never come and yesterday is already gone, live for today and make it the best today that you can.

BTW, for the believers... What if "god" died tomorrow, what then???
 
My theologist teacher in high school made some amazing points about the controversy of religion, and the debate about Jesus. I went to a private Jesuit high school, and my teacher said something that I will never forget, and it was something along the lines of "even if Jesus wasn't supernatural or the actual son of God, his life and teachings can be seen as a model of the highest pinnacle of human decency and thus making him something to look up to, admire, and certainly follow"
 
^ he wasnt the highest, he still appears to have judged people, even though the bible teaches no to judge. Buddhists are the most decent people, if you want to get technical. But anyway, why don't we all just take a step back, relax and realize that the Roman Catholic church FUCKED the story of Jesus UP too much to take that into any kind of real context when talking about Jesus. Jesus was a son of God, like EVERY OTHER MAN on this planet, that was Jesus's message, act accordingly, not that Jesus was so amazing and the only son of God. Jeez. He was a World Teacher. And people have ALWAYS been "finding the tomb of jesus!" *dun dun duuuunnnn* or some other bullshit. Ever hear of Relics in the Middle Ages/Crusades? I'd like to finish this post with these parting words...hey man, chill out, think a little and then start spreading the love. Peace.
 
the man who actually discovered the tomb said, "this is not real, or believable". I think that this case is closed right there.

The man who made this documentary is so rich from titanic and stuff like that, that he is probably a greedy fag. wants to stir up controversy. and this was the best way he could get money and controversy.

I honestly dont know what to believe about a god, but Christians do no harm to people, only good. So anything that offends them, offends me as well.
 
For sure. Religion is good when it's not taken literally... people get caught up in it and blindly follow every word without realizing that it's a bunch of damn good stories to help you be a good person, and the God aspect is just there to get them to read it in the first place.
 
so we can all agree that jesus wasnt anything special. That he just tricked a bunch of people into writting a false book about him for people thousands of years later to put their lives into. Sure he can be looked up to by some, but he never did any of that shit they said he did.
 
Well, if you believe in heaven...then dont you believe that when you die and go there then you go as a soul, not as a body. So supposing that Jesus is God's son and we were made in the image of god, wouldnt that mean that when Jesus was reserected, he would have done so as a soul, not in the human form ? Therefore if this is really his tomb and those are inface his bones it wouldnt prove he was just a normal human. Just thinking out loud...
 
Good thinking, except for the fact that the rock was supposedly moved, and last I checked my soul was not able to move a rock, only my incredibly well... not so manly arms, and thus it was his body. That's why all the shepards ran in and yelled "LAWL WTF WERE DID HE GOESD?" Direct quote, Luke 13:24.
 
Ummm, they weren't written by normal people. See, back in those days, literacy rates were tiny. And you are trying to tell me that 4 carpenters or fishers wrote a book? Get real.
 
exactly. people who don't understand just go to God. If you look at the facts provided by evolution and the billions of years of accumulated evidence for it, you can't prove it wrong. But you can ignore it.
 
There's flaws with both... evolution makes much more sense and has much more evidence once Earth is created, but to be honest Earth being made out of nothing is less believable than a higher power creating it. I personally support evolution and am opposed to religious views of creation, but science has some explaining to do, for sure.
 
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i didnt say we dont need to believe or that we dont need "gods". Alot of people have made it trough hard times because they have found comfort in the faith. What i dont think we need is people controling others faith. Like the church! I know this may be hard to understand, but religion isnt about going to church and doinga all the right things.. Its about believing that theres is something greater than what we can see. Which can be a good comfort some times. I dont like what christians have done in europe the last 800 years! priests taking money from the poor.. Using their gods as a weapon. Another thing is the discussion of which religion is the right one. In norway christians took away our religion. Until for around 800 years ago we had our own gods and religion. It worked out well and its one of the few religions i have respect for. It wasnt build one power it was build out of pure belivef. It was a "book" that suggested how people could act in different situations, but it never said "do that or die" like christians often say..
 
Sure WW II!

Hitler was very proud of being a good christian.

He went to church and said his prayers at night.

godbless....
 
So... lemme see...

People, who profess something, and then associate themselves with a religious group, are thus themselves the beacons for the theological stance of the entire group?

Moreover, do you HONESTLY believe that any war was ever started on the very basis ofreligion? The thing about religion, is that so many weak minded people will adhere to it, and never once question their information of beliefs and those people in charge of them... Religion, in any war, is always tacked on as a means of demonizing and justifying a war in the eyes of the populace, when the real reason for any war is personal material gain, be it that of a country or person...

so if you really think that religion started WWII, you better explain to me what this whole lebensraum deal was...
 
alright, so I was being a little tongue-in-cheek there, but Hitler did consider himself a good christian, froma moral standpoint I can't stand the arguement that being a "good christian" means you are a good person.. the two just don't add up.

Again... sorry to the NS Jewish community..

ahhh shit, there I go being tongue in cheek again........
 
Strange, for you, tongue in cheek seems almost synonymous with foot in mouth...

Again, do you understand the difference between saying you're a Christian, and being one?

Because Hitler may have said he was a Christian, doesn't make him one, doesn't make any of his actions Christian, nor does it make him a symbol for what Christianity stands for...

You've got some growing up to do...
 
You do also realize that his Hitler's first revolt against the government was when he was the leader of a Socialist group right?
 
Thanks bud, it's nice to know at that at 30 i'm still a young'n at heart...

Saying you are christian and being one are two different things, it's good you can tell them apart, most can't.

Of course that also depends on from whose point of view you are seeing it. Many people believe they are being good christians while they are molesting children, or sending soldiers to war... You may believe that there is a moral right and wrong, a black and white, but no-one but yourself has that same exact opinion.

Is a good christian is someone who always obeys the ten commandments, or someone who is good to all people around them but has stolen and dishonored thier mother and father??

Maybe it's your naiveté that's showing, you need to grow up a little too...
 
Just because your cells are closer to their death than mine doesn't mean that you're more grown up in your mind.

For 30, you sure are clueless...

"Many people believe they are being good christians while they are molesting children, or sending soldiers to war... "

Yeah, and your point is.... oh right, people are evil, they pervert what is good, and what they think is not necessarily the actuality of the situation...

You are bashing Christianity on the premise of you seeing supposed Christians being hypocrites, which is logically suspect, because the theology and teaching of Christianity is not the driving force of these hypocrites, it is the hollow justification they think they can put on their actions, when in all reality, they are wrong.

So, you know people who proclaim themselves as Christians, yet act the exact opposite way. News flash: maybe they actually aren't Christians?

Taste the foot a bit, get back to me later.
 
^^ Listen pal, your foot fetish is starting to weird me out.

If you had actually read what I just wrote instead of giving a knee-jerk reaction to it you would've seen I wasn't "bashing" anyone..

relax...
 
Oh, and based on your rant there, there must not be a whole lot of these "real" following the path of christ christians out there then..
 
Methinks you're wanting to discredit Christianity based on the way supposed followers act... seems like bashing.

You may not understand Christian theology about sin and redemption, but here it is in a nutshell: man is basically evil, and prone to evil doing. Sin, as it is called, separates man from God. Jesus died, as the Son of God, as the final atoning sacrifice needed to bridge the gap to God. The nature of man, however, remains sinful. Through grace can a sinful man be forgiven.

This theology is often seen as a major cop-out, because, supposedly, one could do anything, ask for forgiveness and that's that, which is probably what annoys you.

The thing is that, after a certain confession of faith, the way a person acts is meant to change accordingly. If you observe no change, you may start to question the veracity of the belief the person has, and rightfully so.

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. " James 2:14-18

The reality of the situation is that, you may pass judgment on a person according to their actions, and call out their hypocrisy if they made a confession of faith, but that does not in any way invalidate the teaching. All Christians will err. It is logically fallacious to throw out Christian theology because of any such erring, because the whole foundation of the doctrine is that man's nature is such.
 
a good orthodox jew follows all the ten commandments. Christ set up two of them for Christians to worry about. Love God and Love your neighbor.

are people who molest kids loving their neighbor? nope. when they steal are they? nope... theyre theiving from them.

Point is this: nothing in the teachings of Christ is going to be bad for you. Nothing in his works and the the records of his actions is going to drive people to do ill.

The only way that christianity, or many religions for that matter, are ever construed as evil influences, is when they are manipulated by bad people. If the popes of the middle ages didnt have catholosism to drive the crusaders to the holy land, i bet they would have found another way.

The use of religion, whether Islam, Christianity, or any other to drive people to violence in a holy war is no difference than Mao driving his communists to war agains chaing kai chek. no different than the genocides of Africa. Its just another thing that can be drawn upon to control people.

its the sociopaths that are in power that shoulder the blame. not the faith.
 
The one thing that i forgot to add which blows me away is how old the bible is....The Bible is the oldest book known to man, it was written over such a long span and for it to be passed on from generation to generation without being destroyed, or lost is incredible
 
Your name is "OhioIsForFags". Your post is "JESUS IS FOR FAGSSS". You are clearly an alias. You also clearly have an obsession with males penetrating each other that you are unwilling to share with NS on your regular account. Please delete both this account, and any other you may own. Thanks.
 
You now what i really don't understand? Is how judaism, christianity, and islam all contain so many of the same prophets, stories, and sue the same original scripters, they just argue about stupid differences saying this thing was interpreted wrong, or these guys are dumb, so we are gonan do this, and its all super similar, they just have thier own little story branching off from whatever the original was.    Seriously look into the basis of all of these religions, and you'll find they are all pretty close, all of this stupid fighting is retarted.  Everything is twisted by the word of man, be it on purpose or miscommunication.  I wish people would just open thier eyes.       Personally i think all organized religion is bunked, but who knows? 
 
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