Jesus = Normal Human?

actually the Grand Canyon could have been formed by God.....there is a theory that before the flood their was a layer of water around the atmosphere about a few feet thick, this water acted as a greenhouse.....this blocked a lot of the suns rays and allowed for a long life for not only humans but animals.....when the flood came it is purposed that this water came down and the water under the earths crust broke through and caused a worldwide flood.....if Katrina's waters caused that much damage a world wide flood could have caused the Grand Canyon to form.....that is also a explanation why the average life has gone down significantly
 
can I ask you question? Why are we here?

To bring glory to god?

Why does god want glory? Who is he showing off to?

The religion I was raised in (mormon, which is way more plausible than most christianity but still wrong in my opinion) say's we're here to be tested to see if we would come back to god, but he put a veil up so we couldn't remember our lives in heaven before we came to earth because if we could remember we would obviously come back. I just seriously can't get over the huge flaw in this logic that if we where sent here to be tested on if we'd come back and then takes away every reason to believe in it. Oh ya that and the fact that they also claim god knows everything that will ever happen which goes against the uncertainty principle and also poses the question why would he bother doing all this if he know's how it would end anyways?

No matter what I think it's safe to say we are far from knowing the truth for certain and we probably never will. The more we learn the more questions we come up with. Well what caused the big bang?

Oh ya one other thing about the guy saying they're going to build a telescope to watch the big bang... I really don't see how this could happen because all the matter of the earth was at the same spot as the light when it first happened so unless you're saying all the matter of the earth traveled faster than the speed of light and got ahead of it (which I'm pretty sure is impossible it would take an infinite source of energy to make matter travel faster than light) it is impossible
 
takes faith man. You gotta beilieve it. plus, how can u not ski in nature on beautiful white snow through snow ghosts and on pillows and waste deep champiagne pow and not know there is a God who created all this.
 
^along with what you said it does take faith.....our world is too perfect such as it is just the right distance from the sun where the climate is just right for life.....our planet is the only one in the universe that has water plentiful enough for life....and it has a sufficient amount of oxygen.....this isnt all by chance......dont even get me started about our human bodies
 
they found early stages of life in lots of places in our universe. Look at the water on....Mars I think? I cant remember which planet, but they found water. 10 years later, they looked at it again and it greatly expanded. Don't tell me there isnt going to be life there because all water has some sort of organism in it (unless if its maybe pasturized?)
 
if this really is the tomb of jesus and christianity is a haox, then why would they put his name on the side of the tomb
 
Jesus had a tomb.

Whatever DNA evidence they have from bones is laughable, because they have nothing to compare it to, and the mitochondrial DNA would only let people know if they two were related or not. If they were, then we've gone nowhere, and if they aren't, you still don't know anything about the identity of the person.

Listen, this is all rather simple. "Christianity" as it was later called was seen as a threat by the Romans. A Jewish uprising was not something anyone wanted... The Romans did their fair share to keep Jesus on the DL. Now, when you've just executed a religious fanatic, and you know his followers are gonna try something in his name, you guard the place damn well. Then, if something DOES happen to the body, you'd be pretty eager to find that body so that the dangerous movement doesn't regain its steam.

The fact that the Romans contemporary to Jesus did not squash the rumor that he was resurrected, either by producing the bones or finding out who took the body, when they had every reason to do so lest your power be put into question in a dangerous area, makes me think that perhaps, maybe, something inexplicable did happen...
 
thats why i said plentiful enough for life to survive.....there is no way in hell that the water on mars would last if we all lived there
 
our bodies are the most complex thing known to man.....take a look at the eye for example it is so complex and complicated....check out this link, do you know how many steps have to happen just for you to see the world around you for 1 second.....and how do you explain that every individual has a different retina scan, and everyone has a different fingerprint.....this isnt all by chance....and your heart keeps beating your whole life throughout when you sleep.....your heart beats about 10,000 times a day and about 2.5 billion times in your lifetime, it is just too complicated to just evolve

www.stlukeseye.com/Anatomy.asp

http://www.discoveryfund.org/anatomyoftheeye.html
 


Frozen Fruity Cheesecake

Ingredients








1 cup HONEY MAID Graham Cracker Crumbs

3 Tbsp. sugar

3 Tbsp. butter or margarine, melted

1 pkg. (8 oz.) PHILADELPHIA Cream Cheese, softened

3/4 cup sugar

1-1/3 cups fruit juice*

2 cups sliced, fresh strawberries, blueberries or raspberries

1 tub (8 oz.) COOL WHIP Whipped Topping, thawed









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MIX crumbs,

3 Tbsp. sugar and butter; press onto bottom of 9-inch springform pan.

Bake at 325°F for 10 minutes if using a silver springform pan; cool.

(Bake at 300°F for 10 minutes if using a dark nonstick springform pan.)

BEAT

cream cheese and 3/4 cup sugar with electric mixer on medium speed

until well blended. Add fruit juice; mix until blended. Gently stir in

berries and whipped topping.

POUR over prepared crust. Freeze 6 hours or until firm. Let stand at room temperature 15 minutes before cutting to serve.



 
your just completely ignorant to science so im not even going to try to explain to you why your wrong. Our body is complex, yes, do you REALLY think your so called, God, could even think up the human body, cause i sure as hell dont. Half the religious people in this thread admit that jesus and god are all a bunch of hoo ha, its just a construct to give people hope. So what is it, is he real, no, yes? Make a fucking decision. And i bet if you asked someone 2000 years ago if they thought we could preform the surgeries we do know to save lives, they would laugh at you and say "only jesus can do that". Thats becasue people back then, the people who supposedly wrote the bible, didnt have any idea of what man kind was capable of.
 
no his body left and his soul,, but his body put itself back and his soul went up.... i think his body stayed
 
Ok first I will explane myself. I am a 17 year old athiest. Both my parents were christianed and attended church as children. the only time I have een in a church is for a wedding. I have grew up in small town alberta. one of my friends is hardcore morman, soem others are hardcore catholic. my parents chose for both my brother and I to not b forced into religion.

History to me is very important. I look around at many wars, and struggles around the globe. In the middle ages many of these wars were based on religious resons, ie. your religion is stupid, therefor you must die. TO me religion is an idea and following. in the early days of civilization if something could not be explaned it was "ordaine" and somethign else must have created it, ie. a higher being. Now I look at Isrian, Pakistan, and Egypt. these countries have been on either the brink of war or in battle due to religous differences.

I do not oppose a higher being but I certainly do not agree with there being one. I also do not believe we were created, If we were created then why would we have the vestigial organ the apendix, Vestigial structures are anatomical structures of organisms in a species which are considered to have lost much or all of their original function through evolution. with evolution we can now get ballons to fill our stomachs so we do not over eat, thus evolution is occuring.

I simply cannot accept the idea that we were just created out of clay. I have nothing against religon, just againts the people who pick what parts of their religion they "believe" in or the people who force religion on people.

And this may lead to another problem, line ups at the ski hill on sunday in the morning, comon people this could be bad if lines get bigger!
 
that is one hell of a lot of changes to go through....wouldnt it be easier to just say that a supernatural being created it....and what caused all this to evolve to what it is today
 
HAHAHA Drew that is the funniest example ever known to man. Holy Hannah. and Jesus Jennifer you post extended amounts of great reading material.
 
Wait, we have one tube for air and food..? How come when you swallow liquids the wrong way you cough like a motherfucker for a solid five minutes? The saying I was always taught was "Went down the wrong tube" so I just kind of automatically assumed that when you did that, you threw down water or whatever you're drinking down your air tube... perhaps I'm wrong, though.
 
you know what really gets me mad is when people pray at dinner and thank god for the food on the table...god doesnt put food on the table i do.

and also why do we (as christians) give poor people money. Arent we trying to give up everything to be more pure and closer to god. so this means that by giving the poor help us christians are sinning by making people further from "god"
 
That thing looks smarter than Steven ma'fucking Hawking. But seriously, you've way overused that analogy, it's not that funny.
 
its not supposed to be funny. It's just something I say. If I were trying to be semi-witty, I would say:

"This kid has the intelligence of a southerner."
 
The thing about your eye example, is that it leave many parts out...

Firstly, it only makes sense that a supposed "order" of eyes is seen in the natural world, and so for several reasons. Mainly, you will find similar parts to all eyes, because all eyes must be able to use light from the sun, as this is the only light we get. The variations and thus the presupposed order to eyes is arrived at when people see similarities in eyes because of what they have to be able to do, and then dissimilarities in how they are composed, and deduce a connection between all eyes along an evolutionary time line.

The thing is that, you cannot make this deduction unless you can prove that each of these dissimilarities are in effect going along from primitive to modern, which is, first of all, impossible scientifically speaking, unless one were able to observe it and then replicate it (inference is not scientific proof, remember), and secondly, hardly fair, in that species have various purposes for eyes, and we do not understand all of their functions. Thus, to say that one eye is primitive in a species, one would need to know exactly its purpose, functionality and effectiveness for the creature in question, and also be able to show how it could have evolved into something more complex...

The other problem is that this eye evolution scenario would imply that new DNA would have to have been created, through mutation, to be able to, say, create a lens for the eye, or any other part of the eye. The trouble is that mutations, albeit small, must ALWAYS be beneficial for them to be passed on, or at least completely benign until they reach a certain stage, so that the animal survives, and survives better. Now, you can infer that it MUST have been beneficial, based on your theory, if it is there. But you can show that it necessarily always was, or you cannot prove that scientifically, as we have not observed nor recreated this chain of events. It is assumed after the fact. This doesn't make it wrong, simply unscientific in the main sense of the word.

Your article that you quoted, or that you wrote, makes the assumption that well, since evolution, then changes for the eyes beneficial, because we have the eye the way it is, hence evolution. Fact is, we have no proof that any of these changes really did happen, or were possible. They are derived from the original theory. Which isn't to say it's wrong, merely that you could not have arrived at any other conclusion...

What you article doesn't mention is all of the muscles that control the human eye, being able to expand and contract the lens in such precision at such speed that we can focus light and make an image sharper basically instantly in our view. These muscles must have evolved parallel to the lens, because without them they are useless to us humans on land. Thus, the complexity of the problem is not anything like simply showing that seeing apparatuses could have been evolved in terms of their structure. Their control, design, placement and utility must always have been evolving at the same speed. Since your theory is based on chance mutation to create this new information and then natural selection to choose these helpful traits, it's simply astonishing that random chance was able to coordinate all of these chance mutations so that they happen at the same time, or rather that natural selection was able to keep everything necessary in line at the same time, without a SINGLE fault along the way, without any intermediate to any of these that would have rendered eyesight absolutely useless, which you cannot show in any scientific way because we have not observed, only inferred after the fact, to produce the eyes we have today...

It's a leap. It may be correct, but it's a leap.
 
the article is basically begging the question.

We have evolution, thus the eye must have evolved this way because we see it this way, hence evolution.
 
but did it change the world into something good or bether? we will never know.. I dont think it did... we dont need religion
 
"we", general "we", implying humans in general i would assume, or some larger population than himself.

accordingly, his statement does not merely encompass himself and his opinion, but more people.

however, if you look at the world, all world cultures have had a religion of some sort. by the definition of religion most of you would use, i would think that atheism and agnosticism isn't part of that, hence the 5% off, if that. I was being generous. In reality, i believe 100% of the world is religious. It just depends what people choose to believe; atheism being the belief in nothing, and agnosticism being the belief in an unknown something...

my point is that we all need religion, we all have a religion, we all believe something that cannot be proven empirically.
 
Do you know what an opinion is? He said "We don't need religion ." That's an opinion and whether it's a well reasoned opinion or not, it's still his right to have that opinion. Ready for this? We don't need summer, we should just ski all year round. That's an opinion that's encompassing more people than just me, but it's still an opinion and I've heard many people on this site say it and not get criticized for it.
 
haha, did you miss what I said originally, even though you quoted me? Opinion's can be uneducated and silly, but never wrong. You're opinion is on this is not well thought out, but not wrong.
 
i think that pigs fly....

everyone is entitled to an opinion, that doesn't make everyone's opinion correct. opinions can be wrong, unfounded, and illogical. you're allowed to express it, but you could very well be...how you say... wrong.

 
sure pal; there's a difference in proven fact and a dumb opinion. The kid doesn't think that we need religion and there is NO WAY to prove that actually right or wrong. You can speculate on the disaster that would occur if there was no religion, but that's speculation. Pigs flying though? There's pretty solid proof that they don't. Give up, you made a stupid comment and can't back it up.
 
you just said that opinion cannot be wrong. you're wrong.

kid doesn't think we need religion, i think he's wrong, and i said why: everyone in the world believes in something, and something that cannot be proven empirically, about the world, which is where religion and faith starts...

nowhere was i speculating anything about disasters or the like in the absence of religion.

Get off your high horse, "pal".
 
but i see what you mean.

opinion on what cannot be shown empirically may not ever be completely proven wrong. However, it can be shown to be absurd, which is what you mean im sure.

so, kid says we don't need religion, he may not be wrong, but of the possibilities we see to this proposal, we can see he isn't of the winners.
 
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