Jesus = Normal Human?

Hmm, I'm going to stay mostly out of this. All I have to say are two things. First, anthropic principle rules. Who's to say that this is the only universe, or for that matter, the only place where life developed? Second, as to what made the big bang - who knows? Its something we havent discovered. And honestly, I'm happier with it being undiscovered to science, rather to believe that this entire cosmos was put into order by a removed omnipotent being. And besides, what created 'God' anyways? Theres a limit to how far you can regress no matter what type of creation you believe.
 
you have to be the biggest idiot of all time.......you cant just take words out of context like that with your little link thing.....the reason God wasnt pleased with his work was because man's heart before the flood was only evil all the time so if I were God i wouldnt be pleased either
 
honestly for all those who are against christianity....tell me a religion/theory which explains creation better than Christianity does
 
nothing, because creation never happened, its all evolution....nothing super natural has ever existed
 
with that said where did all the matter in the world come from.....and how the hell did monkies turn into humans, and if that so happened wouldnt monkies be turning into humans today.....
 
the little link thing was not MY quotes from the bible, however they do provide contradictions in the bible; secondly i see you failed to justify why the bible aka the christian (not sure which version you ment btw) bible is more right than other texts which are of devine insperation

your faith argument can't put put against another faith argument -- it doesnt work like that
 
the big bang, and in case your completely ignorant to science, stuff transforms alllll the time, like the bird flu, slowly adapting to affect humans. And no, monkeys wouldnt, you obviously dont know what evolution is, so ill stop here.
 
it is more right than other books such as the koran because it has never been proven wrong....and it has many examples written in the Bible that are visible today Noah's Ark, Pieces from pharoahs chariots in the Red Sea, Dead Sea Scrolls, Jesus burial cloth Shroud of Turin (which cant be explained by skeptics) the only explanation for this is that it is the actual burial cloth that Jesus was covered with when he ressurrected from the dead
 
except for the big bang theory states that there was nothing and then there was a small dot which was all the matter in the universe compressed into a small area, then it blew up.....how can something come out of nothing....and wouldnt humans still be evolving to this day
 
youd be suprised at what the space we live in can do....im no astonomer, but its amazing whats happening out there. And yes, humans are evolving, were becoming imune to diseases, adapting to extreme heat, and cold, etc. But becasue we have been able to adapt our evironment rather than the other way around, there has been less of a need for evolution, but its happening, slowly but surley.
 
your right about the cold temps thing but part of the reason why we are adapting to diseases is the technology and medical science now is better than ever, but i am no astronaut either but i do know that something cannot come out of nothing
 
your right that nothing can come from nothing because of the law of conservation of matter, but it is however, possible that there was a chain reaction of chemicals in space that caused them to clump, creating planets, stars, and what not. There are hundreds of theories as to how the big bang happened, but i personally dont understand how you can honestly think that a god created everything....even then soemthing cant come from nothing, unless god can create our universe, plus the millions of other universises around us, which isnt feasible, even on a devine level
 
the astronamers have done tests to see whether galaxies are moving away or toward us which is called the doppler affect i think and it has been proven that there are galaxies moving away and toward us...saying so all the galaxies would be going in one direction so either there was multiple big bangs in different locations or it is false
 
i know this has been said, but to explain it better; monkeys are evolving, it just takes a long ass time. Human evolution has slowed WAY WAY down because almost everything we lack we can make up for with stuff we make. The biggest change in humans is height. the average man in the US civil-war era was 5' 4". Nowadays, our average height is 5'9". and in the future, average person will be about 6 ft.
 
and i'm assuming you have proof of the qu'arn being proved wrong, as well as the ability to disprove every other religion. for fun, would you care to prove to me that the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is wrong? ( http://www.venganza.org/ )

the shroud of turin: explination to why it's hard to believe it as veridical http://atheism.about.com/b/a/096874.htm

i thought that translators were not sure if moses went across the reed sea or the red sea -- and i mean did the egyptians not have boats, that possibly might have sunk, losing chariots in the ocean?

the point is that something is not right untill proven wrong, something is uncertain untill proven right.

p.s. enjoy this

http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutjesus/a/holyforeskin.htm
 
Well, I am agnostic, and I have 5 cats and a dog, although we used to have 11 cats.

I think Jesus existed, but not in the catholic sense (an immaculately conceived white guy running around performing miracles); he was just a normal guy who was really nice and all. And middle-eastern too, not "aryan" obviously... and he died, and was not resurrected, and was not the son of god.

just for the record though, not all Christians are crazy like 7th day adventists or baptists or catholics. Some are very liberal, like my family. Not me, just the rest of my family. Also, I don't believe in creationism, Adam/Eve, immaculate conception, heaven/hell, convenient apparitions of god, and some other religious concepts.

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To answer a few questions, we may be able to see the big bang because the image of it travels so slowly through space, the telescope they are building may be able to see it. It was so far away, it is possible that we on earth see it in a couple million years, assuming the earth is still here.

And drew is right, you obviously dont have a very good grasp on evolution. Anyone that went through high school (or still in it like me) should know that evolution is the advancing of a species to adapt to its environment, some monkeys needed to adapt, some didnt, that is why we are humans, and they are monkeys. I tihnk you can try to understand it from there
 
If God has the power to be God I think he has the power to create the Universe....let me say one thing that you cant explain is the Flood...the Bible records this and now there are sea shells on mountain tops and how do you explain this
 
all the galaxies would be moving in an outward direction from a certain point then if it is true, but then how can galaxies be going in different directions
 
Easy.. There was a flood.

Done.. It doesn't mean it really covered the whole world or Noah really had 2 of everything ona big, really really big, boat. just that there was a flood and people remembered it in thier cultural memories and now we have proof of it happening.

2000 years from now people will wonder why there are all sorts of household items on the bottom of the gulf of Mexico too, Katrina did it, not god.
 
if there was a worldwide flood that means that shells would wash up on mountain sides.....ocean shells dont just end up on 14,000 feet high mountain sides by themselves....they have to be moved and the only logical explanation for this is that there was a worldwide flood.....plus how do you explain noah's ark
 
and honestly has the Bible ever been proven wrong.....give me one other book in the ENTIRE WORLD that hasnt been proven wrong except the Bible
 
Guy.. they thought he world consisted of about half of europe and some of central asia and North Africa.

It could have been a flood of the Mediterranian for all they knew. don't forget the world was flat then too...

That's the official line from the church until the mid 1400's.

The aztecs and Inca were around then, but there's no evidence of a flood in central America at the time.

sorry.. It is a good story, very exciting, even a little better than Harry Potter. And I do know my stuff here, I came pretty close to joining the seminary at a younger age.
 
Easy, was there people all over the world at the time of the flood? It could have happened on just the lowlands of one continent.
 
ok well maybe in some parts there was a lunar shift and water levels rose, just like they always do.....what the hell does that have anything to do with god?

that's like asking how the Grand Canyon was formed. You can't just say "god did it" and seriously expect that to be a valid reason, while presenting it as if it anything close to a fact.

your entire logic is speculation at the most. Ask anybody who knows anything about debate. If you took a debate class Im positive you would get laughed at.

I know how your logic works, my dad uses the same astinine methods to arguing his point.
 
yea, it has. the whole creation of the earth and all the living beings, all of that has been proven wrong.

while I'm at it I'll explain shells on top of mountains.

ever heard of continental drifting? well, if you haven't google it. when tectonic plates collide on is pushed downwards and the other one is pushed upwards, that way areas of the earths surface which was once ocean (with seashells) becomes mountains.

I'm thinking you're not serious. or a 3rd grader at a bible school
 
just by finding his tomb does nothing to prove he's a normal human, it's a fact that when Jesus was crucified, he was put in a tomb. if they found his remains in a tomb, then that would show that he did not become resurrected, then claims can be made. but as far as we know now, they have found a tomb, and who knows if it was Jesus'. plus, some Christians already believe that Jesus was just a normal human who was kind of the equivalent to Mohammad to Islam. so who knows? it's best not to bring it up on NS because religious threads never get anywhere productively.
 
"On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin plausibly explains how all the organisms of the world came to their modern state. The bible's answer to the creation of life is that it just happened. "God did it" is the bible's answer to almost every question, and often science has since discovered actual explanations.
 
How can you prove the Bible wrong when there isn't a whole lot that can be disproved? A large part of the Bible is moral teaching and symbolism. You can't disprove the Gospel. You can't disprove the Creation story either because much of it is symbolic, and not meant to be taken literally (unless you're a Christian fundamentalist).
 
courtesy of Rev David Rice

Genesis 1 is an excellent example of scientific error in the Hebrew Testiment ("The Bible"). Humans were not created by the gods (Elohim); plants did not predate the sun; a global flood did not occur; Noah did not build an ark, since it was, and is, impossible; snakes do not talk; females were not created out of a rib.

Moving on to Genesis 2. The universe was not made out of water; the Earth does not rest upon four pillars, nor is there a bronze dome covering it, nore does rain issue forth out of crystal gates.

Exodus has sun and moon caesing their movements for "about a day;" a hord of from 2,500,000 to 3,000,000 Isrealites wandering a tiny desert for 40 years, which is, of course, impossible.

Moving to Psalms, Baphomet did not swallow the universe; the universe was not made out of water (again)....

One can go on and on and point out other examples, and of course there is no need. I have yet to find a single chapter throughout the entire Hebrew and Christian Testements, that do not have scientific errors.

The historical errors are just as blatent.

You're welcome.

 
jesus doesn't need to be real or not to be believed in. its like santa. we all know santa isn't real, and if he was, would that change our perception of him? no. ask anybody to draw a picture of santa, they think of a jolly fat man in a red suit with a white beard. that's not nothing. same as jesus. anybody can draw the symbol of the christ. its simply a cross. are you trying to say that also is nothing? religion gives people hope, just as santa gives children hope. whether jesus is real or not, or the scientific evidence behind it means nothing.
 
so are you saying if i went into a church right now, and said that jesus wasnt real, they would all agree with me? I think not
 
jesus the individual with his own message outside the context of the curch is what would remain. There shpuld be a distinction between individuals for peace love..etc. which jesus stood for and the agendas and the intollerances of churches that use him to propagate their own messages. i would hope that this situation could help make jesus more of that individual and less of a tool of the church
 
He wasn't actually resurrected. The whole thing behind it is that his remains were moved to a family tomb. They believe that in the tom they found Joseoh (Jesuses Dad), Mary (Mama), Mary (Wife), Jude (Jesuses Son), and James (Jesuses Brother). The reason his body was gone from the original tomb is not the resurrection its the movage.
 
He wasn't actually resurrected. The whole thing behind it is that his remains were moved to a family tomb. They believe that in the tom they found Joseoh (Jesuses Dad), Mary (Mama), Mary (Wife), Jude (Jesuses Son), and James (Jesuses Brother). The reason his body was gone from the original tomb is not the resurrection its the movage.
 
nothing said in the bible has been legitimately proven, yet millions of retards believe it anyways.
 
if there is no life after we die than why are we all here, and what is our purpose in life....and that random guy happens to be God, he is the most talked about most controversial person in the history of man
 
1. Jesus walked the earth and did miraculous miracles such as feeding 5000 people with 12 fish and a loaf of bread, or healing the sick, bringing lazeraus back to life....i know you say all this is imaginitary fairy tales but there are documents written by normal people describing Jesus doing extraordinary things never seen before....the Bible is written from a perspective of Faith....Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see.....now days everyone has to have scientific proof right in front of their eyes to believe anything.....i guess that is just what seperates our religions from each other
 
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