Jeffrey 110s vs Wildcat 108s

[Anotherandrew]

If I'm looking for an all mountain ski which one is better to go with? The ON3P Jeffrey 110s or Moment wildcat 108s? Or should I be going with wider Jeffery 118s or the 116 wildcats?

Which one is better in each category?

Harder charger:

Better in powder:

Stiffer:

Easier to swing around for spins:

Park (In the case that I do one park lap):

All mountain performance:

18 years old. 5"9, 125 lbs, North west pacific skiing, already have park skis,

 

[animator]

Holy shit man keep it in 1 thread ???

 

[Session]

They are so close. I would say that if ON3P did not exist then I would own a Wildcat. So hard decision.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2021 at 12:42:06pm

 

[kid-kapow]

pretty different skis imho, though they are good at similar things. It kinda boils down to how you like to ski/drive your skis imho.

Want a more centered ski that prefer a more upright stance? Jeff.

Want to be able to drive the skis more through the tips? Wildcat108s. Want more of the same, just in a signifiantly stiffer package, regular wildcat.

Both are loose, poppy and a ton of fun and are good at the same kind of skiing. Both prefer to pop off stuff over hatefucking through it, though both can be skied plenty hard. Jeffs are a tad more lively/active while damper when skied and super poppy when pressed hard, while wildcats are more energetic if that makes sense (the two layups feel a bit different, as will jeffs slighty tighter sidecut radius). Blister describe both skis well, though jeffs are better on hard snow than they give them credit for.

that being said, there has been a ton of posts on all of the four mentioned skis, so getting a good understanding of how the various ski ski is not hard. Posts on Jeff108s and 116s will more likely than not be very good approximations for how j110s and j118s ski.

 

[Session]

pretty different skis imho

If you have Kid-Kapow level analysis paralysis, then maybe. But normal people could probably A/B them and be more than happy with either.

 

[kid-kapow]

If you have Kid-Kapow level analysis paralysis, then maybe. But normal people could probably A/B them and be more than happy with either.

wtf is that supposed to mean man?

I broke the comparison into something that actually helps the op differentiate between the two.

but sure, they are pretty similar, bro, helps too.

like, a lot.

 

[kid-kapow]

wtf is that supposed to mean man?

I broke the comparison into something that actually* helps the op differentiate between the two.

but sure, they are pretty similar, bro, helps too.

like, a lot.

*might

 

[Anotherandrew]

They are so close. I would say that if ON3P did not exist then I would own a Wildcat. So hard decision.

**This post was edited on Sep 25th 2021 at 12:42:06pm

pretty different skis imho, though they are good at similar things. It kinda boils down to how you like to ski/drive your skis imho.

Want a more centered ski that prefer a more upright stance? Jeff.

Want to be able to drive the skis more through the tips? Wildcat108s. Want more of the same, just in a signifiantly stiffer package, regular wildcat.

Both are loose, poppy and a ton of fun and are good at the same kind of skiing. Both prefer to pop off stuff over hatefucking through it, though both can be skied plenty hard. Jeffs are a tad more lively/active while damper when skied and super poppy when pressed hard, while wildcats are more energetic if that makes sense (the two layups feel a bit different, as will jeffs slighty tighter sidecut radius). Blister describe both skis well, though jeffs are better on hard snow than they give them credit for.

that being said, there has been a ton of posts on all of the four mentioned skis, so getting a good understanding of how the various ski ski is not hard. Posts on Jeff108s and 116s will more likely than not be very good approximations for how j110s and j118s ski.

Both of your posts are really helpful. On one hand it makes me feel that I can be confident going with either can't go wrong. On the other hand it helps me know why I'm choosing one over the other.

 

[Anotherandrew]

If you have Kid-Kapow level analysis paralysis, then maybe. But normal people could probably A/B them and be more than happy with either.

wtf is that supposed to mean man?

I broke the comparison into something that actually helps the op differentiate between the two.

but sure, they are pretty similar, bro, helps too.

like, a lot.

Actually one question that you guys might know. I can find lots of people saying that they like the Jeffrey 108 on rails, so obviously the 110 will do good. I'm leaning towards the wildcat though, but I cant find what people say about them on rails. I understand that it's not a park ski, but is it similar to the jeffery?

 

[kid-kapow]

hah, I was drunk off my ass when writing those somewhat butt hurt comments above, so nevermind the level of drama - never a good idea to post when drunk eh I am kinda notorious for working through skis, though decision paralysis is usually not my weak suit - I move on from skis pretty fast after I have figured them out if they do not ski like I want them to or if I can't ski them like I want to.

they'll both do fine on rails I imagine - I do not ski rails at all. I would imagine that the more centered mount point and thicker bases/edges on Jeffs are even more conducive to doing rails, though wildcats and their lighter construction/swing weight will probably be fine for that kind of skiing as well - their construction is industry norm wrt edge/base thickness.

wildcats should be plenty good for park skiing, just not for beginners - too much ski for them. The same kinda goes for jeffs, just to a lesser degree. They are plenty stout underfoot - so no butternoodles - but very approachable and easy to ski.

both are very, very good skis imho - more parky, jeff, more chargy, wildcats - though both do well at both.

 

[Anotherandrew]

hah, I was drunk off my ass when writing those somewhat butt hurt comments above, so nevermind the level of drama - never a good idea to post when drunk eh I am kinda notorious for working through skis, though decision paralysis is usually not my weak suit - I move on from skis pretty fast after I have figured them out if they do not ski like I want them to or if I can't ski them like I want to.

they'll both do fine on rails I imagine - I do not ski rails at all. I would imagine that the more centered mount point and thicker bases/edges on Jeffs are even more conducive to doing rails, though wildcats and their lighter construction/swing weight will probably be fine for that kind of skiing as well - their construction is industry norm wrt edge/base thickness.

wildcats should be plenty good for park skiing, just not for beginners - too much ski for them. The same kinda goes for jeffs, just to a lesser degree. They are plenty stout underfoot - so no butternoodles - but very approachable and easy to ski.

both are very, very good skis imho - more parky, jeff, more chargy, wildcats - though both do well at both.

Thanks this is very helpful

**This post was edited on Oct 1st 2021 at 5:37:07pm

 

[stonedbrian]

I've skied the Wildcat 116 and the Jeffery 116. The wildcat loves to charge and I found it to want to straight-line and long arching turns. It was plenty playful but I had a hard time slashing it in the PNW because it was very light. I now own the Jeffery 116 and can pretty much do everything the wildcat can and more. I like it for its more solid construction for blasting through crud. I'd say that the wildcat is better for swing weight because of its lighter build but the Jeffery is better at everything else imo

 

[animator]

Yeah I’ve ridden both and it’s tough to find a difference between them. If I had to choose one it’d be the Jeffrey because I think the bamboo provides more energy out of a turn and when popping the ski on the noses and tails. The Wildcat is more damp but still definitely fits the playful charger bill. Either one will be fine in the park, the Jeff has slightly thicker edges and bases so it potentially would last a little longer but Moment definitely does not slouch on construction either.

 

[Anotherandrew]

I've skied the Wildcat 116 and the Jeffery 116. The wildcat loves to charge and I found it to want to straight-line and long arching turns. It was plenty playful but I had a hard time slashing it in the PNW because it was very light. I now own the Jeffery 116 and can pretty much do everything the wildcat can and more. I like it for its more solid construction for blasting through crud. I'd say that the wildcat is better for swing weight because of its lighter build but the Jeffery is better at everything else imo

Yeah I’ve ridden both and it’s tough to find a difference between them. If I had to choose one it’d be the Jeffrey because I think the bamboo provides more energy out of a turn and when popping the ski on the noses and tails. The Wildcat is more damp but still definitely fits the playful charger bill. Either one will be fine in the park, the Jeff has slightly thicker edges and bases so it potentially would last a little longer but Moment definitely does not slouch on construction either.

How many skis have you ridden? You seem to have been on so many different skis.

Thanks for the insight. I have park skis but I'm just worried I will destroy them this year. I just want a ski that works good in powder to chop and either seems great for that.

 

[animator]

How many skis have you ridden? You seem to have been on so many different skis.

Thanks for the insight. I have park skis but I'm just worried I will destroy them this year. I just want a ski that works good in powder to chop and either seems great for that.

I’ve skied like every ski ever. I work in a shop so I just buy a ski on pro deal, ski it, and either keep it or sell it at homie price if I don’t. Every sort of, “major contender,” ski I’ve owned pretty much. Every ARV from 96 up, most of the Zero Series, ON3P Jeff 102/108, Moment Wildcat 101/PB&J, Wildcat 108, K2 Reckoners, Line SFB, not to mention the less freestyle stuff, the list goes on and on and on

 

[WoFIowz]

I’ve skied like every ski ever. I work in a shop so I just buy a ski on pro deal, ski it, and either keep it or sell it at homie price if I don’t. Every sort of, “major contender,” ski I’ve owned pretty much. Every ARV from 96 up, most of the Zero Series, ON3P Jeff 102/108, Moment Wildcat 101/PB&J, Wildcat 108, K2 Reckoners, Line SFB, not to mention the less freestyle stuff, the list goes on and on and on

You got a favorite?

 

[stonedbrian]

How many skis have you ridden? You seem to have been on so many different skis.

Thanks for the insight. I have park skis but I'm just worried I will destroy them this year. I just want a ski that works good in powder to chop and either seems great for that.

I live in a place where some companies demo skis for a day.

 

[animator]

You got a favorite?

Favorite ski ever? Like across the whole board?

 

[WoFIowz]

Favorite ski ever? Like across the whole board?

Sure? Or what about in each category?

 

[animator]

Sure? Or what about in each category?

I could go on about this forever really. Favorite ski ever is either the 2016 black crows nocta (before the air and before the reverse camber garbage) or the 2017 Faction CT 1.0 (before the metal and rubber and stupid stiff flex). I still have both since they were my first two pairs of skis ever and refuse to let go of them.

 

[Stuuuuuuuuuu]

Actually one question that you guys might know. I can find lots of people saying that they like the Jeffrey 108 on rails, so obviously the 110 will do good. I'm leaning towards the wildcat though, but I cant find what people say about them on rails. I understand that it's not a park ski, but is it similar to the jeffery?

Can't speak for the wildcat but Jefferys are great in the park/ on rails. I bought Jeffery 108s when I moved out west last year after only having skied < 100mm park skis in Ontario. Last season I also had a pair of ARV 86s that I thought I would bring out in the park but I ended up pretty much only reaching for the Jefferys even on a day I was only going to ski park. They're super fun skis and also bomb proof. Bases and edges held up no problem to rocks, rails, ect.

 

[Anotherandrew]

Can't speak for the wildcat but Jefferys are great in the park/ on rails. I bought Jeffery 108s when I moved out west last year after only having skied < 100mm park skis in Ontario. Last season I also had a pair of ARV 86s that I thought I would bring out in the park but I ended up pretty much only reaching for the Jefferys even on a day I was only going to ski park. They're super fun skis and also bomb proof. Bases and edges held up no problem to rocks, rails, ect.

Did you center mount yours? Or did you go reccommended?