Its about fucking time.

to people who are against it, the fact that it is two men or two women being legally recognized as married and being entitled to legal marriage rights is hard to swallow. haha swallow, but really, I'd think the obvious point here is that people are against it because they find homosexuality immoral.
 
Thats actually a good point, but to me at least, it seems wrong to not give gays the same opportunity to fuck up or uphold the sanctity of marriage as the rest of us hehe~
 
because they are. period.

there is no moral issue. if its personal, its because homosexuality makes you uncomfortable. same as people who dont like black people or what have you. you have no right to force that on others.

same with religion. its a free fucking country
 
are you serious? so your only ok with gay people who dont express that they are gay? thats fucked up. do you know how many times a day i hear "oh dude i totally fucked that girl," "i hooked up with so many chicks in the past few weeks," "ya man, i had her naked on my bed! it was great!"
how often do you hear gay people say things like that? think about it from a gay persons perspective- he/she has to put up with all of those types of comments every day. you may not realize it, but what you said is hypocritical (assuming you have ever talked about something you have done with a girl... to anybody in a public place) because you dont like something that some, more flamerish, gay people do, while you (again this is an assumption, however, if it isnt true for you, it is for about 90% of straight people) say stuff like that without even giving it a second thought. The instant a gay person says something like that, people flip a shit! its outrageous.
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how many bros flaunt their straightness in school? a fucking shitton. not to mention call anything and everything "gay".

 
although i kind of agree with you, i know plenty of gay people who would not tell you they were gay unless you asked. in other words, they have a choice not to proclaim their minority status. and most of the gay people i know also hate flamers. they give gay people in general a bad name by acting as if being gay is something special. also, being a straight person, i don't go around in public announcing that i like to have sex with women, or what i did with the last woman i met, etc. in fact, it would be pretty lame of me to tell the whole world what i do with my personal life. now, if i was talking to a friend of mine about that sort of thing, and a gay person overheard, that is their problem, just as it would be mine to overhear a private conversation of a homosexual nature. also, it is kind of off-topic but i have no problem listening to the personal lives of my gay friends, as long as they are fine with listening to my stories.

from what i've come to find, the majority of not only the straight population, but also the gay population, hates flamers. maybe i don't know enough people, but it seems as though flamers are not very well liked. you wouldn't see too many japanese people get up and say "i'm japanese, in japan we eat raw fish and it is sooo good, also rape is a popular fetish and my squinty eyes are nothing to be ashamed of. i'm going to point out every japanese stereotype and then embrace and reinforce it because japanese people deserve more respect." no, you wouldn't see that. you might see emos do that, you might see flamers do that, but the majority of minorities would not do that. it's fucking lame.

 
id say the number of bros who spend hours a day claiming their straight hookups etc easily balance out the number of flamers
 
this ^^

i was raised a christian, so yeah, i dont think its right, but im not going to go trying to stop it, people are who they are and make their own decisions, and you just need to accept people for who they are and show respect, instead of acting like d-bags towards each other.
 
yes well nobody likes bros either, but the only stereotype they are reinforcing is their own. flamers aim to speak for gay people everywhere, and the fact of the matter is that every gay person i know doesn't want to be spoken for by anyone but themselves.
 
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That doesnt mean it isnt worth discussion.

Because NS isnt going to come to the end all be all conclusion on gay marriage it should be argued over?

Come on now~
 
just scammed through the pointless arguing that doesnt do anything to see the i see what yuo did pics lol. goose or whatev that is lookin at lady --- winner
 
actually it helps to broaden the perspectives of some. others are just obnoxious close minded pricks, such as yourself
 
You're so cool dude i'm sure in the long run you'll have done so much for gay marriage...but seriously fuck off.
Ha look what you posted up above " because they are period " you're the obnoxious close minded prick.
 
i made a point. you just were a douche.

and i am open minded. if you can come up with a non homophobic, non discriminating, non religious reason why gays cant get married, ill take that into consideration
 
He says he wants to broaden the perspective of others but how can that happen when he calls people ignorant and biggots when they don't believe in gay marriage for religious reasons? Thats stupid and if he rags on people for not believing in it for those reasons then he is being just as closed minded as someone who simply hates gay people for no reason.
 
straight from wikipedia

The way in which a marriage is conducted has changed over time, as has the institution itself. Although the institution of marriage pre-dates reliable recorded history, many cultures have legends or religious beliefs concerning the origins of marriage.
 
Well, since wikipedia is SUCH a reliable source and all...

So, can anyone name a religion (cause whether you want to admit it or not, that's where the origins or marriage lay) that allows gays to marry?
 
hahaha i know wikipedia is super legit. but since you obviously were asking rhetorically.

ill make a religion up, k?

the term has evolved over time. should atheists not be allowed to get married?
 
He had a point. You were the one saying people that believe a certain thing are essentially stupid and completely wrong, and that comes off as pretty narrow minded.

Personally, I don't really care about the gay marriage thing. I just hope people don't try to make it a religious marriage.

And to Drew-- I hope you realize how many people who have influence over public policy believe in God.
 
what, thinking bigotry is wrong is narrow minded? alright then, im proud to be narrow minded.
 
Fine let gays get married but yes we do have a right they should not be able to get married in a Church or any Religious place that is against gay marriage.
 
to elaborate. should shellfish be banned? cuz the jews dont eat that. how about bacon? should all businesses be closed for the sabbath on saturday? or mass on sunday? the list goes on and on
 
This is the nitpicky part of the argument. You have marriage as a legal and recognized construct int he government, but marriage has been so intertwined with religion that this perhaps the greatest of the grey areas when it comes to separation of church and state.

Heres what I believe would work. From a federal view, all marriages are considered to be 'civil unions' in the eyes of the law (taxation, issues of legality, ect). As for marriages, its handled by the church in question. Churches get to decide what marriages they decide are legal (different religions would obviously include or exclude certian couples), government gets to decide without the entanglement of religious opinion what types of civil unions it wants to endorse. States can contest the governments standing as with any law and uphold whatever they wish.
 
It's not religion "imposing" on anyone.

Gays are asking to take part in a traditional religious act, not the other way around.

Religion doesn't mandate anyone be closed certain days of the week, but notice some businesses still are?

It's tantamount to you wanting to shop at a building who's closed on Sunday, and demanding the business open just for you.
 
its a church. they can do whatever they want to do. they also should lose their tax exemptions if they refuse to follow the law though. well, actually, they shouldnt get tax exemptions in the first place.
 
WTF do you mean "refuse to follow the law"?

That's like saying a Doctor who chooses not to do a surgery on a patient should be jailed.

I'm sure you're familiar with the right for refusal of service?
 
i never said they should be jailed. but they shouldnt be given tax breaks if they are going to discriminate. they shouldnt be given tax breaks at all in my opinion. as for your earlier post, what rowen said. he beat me to it
 
1) So you don't think charitable organizations should be given tax breaks?

2) I think it's a bit crazy you think that a law should force a major religion to go against a belief that does not actively pursue the harm of others.

Ben, I think before you start calling people bigots you should look in the mirror.

I agree with you that people shouldn't care about gay marriage when it deals purely with the state, but you're just plain being stupid if you think churches should be punished for not allowing religious gay marriage.
 
its not only because of the gay marriage thing, in general, many churches tend to pass political views etc. they are FAR to influential in my opinion to be considered a charitable organization. REGARDLESS of that. passing these laws simply allows for the government to marry people. churches should not be forced to marry people.
 
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