first_rodeo
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14208203:ohhbecker said:
the new Carinthia base lodge was the nail in the coffin... vibe immediately changed.
Is Vail Resorts mandating changes in their parks or something?
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the new Carinthia base lodge was the nail in the coffin... vibe immediately changed.
14208945:first_rodeo said:
I was sad. Never really wentin there ever but good vibes. Mini ramp on the deck, skate 3, fat burritos
Man i miss my mount snow days.
Really worried about big boulder. Thinking they'll keep a good ish park but its gonna change hard. Rip
14208990:katrina said:
I did the forat few peace pipea always a blast. Also were setting up rails till mid June or July most seasons. Then stocking up on taquitos at 7vy
14209576:MaimHelp said:
Pat morgan had a pretty sick vision for that place. Pretty lame.
Fuck Bobby katz
MonnorCartin
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First season ever (as long as I can remember) Whistler will only be having a park on Blackcomb and not Whistler as well. Super bummed, was always a good park to go and spin some chill laps at.
Heard it was potentially due to short staff but wouldn't be surprised if Vail had a hand in it as well. Have heard rumors of no XL jump line this season too, after one season of it they might see it as good and stop it forever. Might be the end of blackpark edits... would be tough to see no more iconic edits as well as never getting to hit those jumps again. Hope it is not true.
Heard it was potentially due to short staff but wouldn't be surprised if Vail had a hand in it as well. Have heard rumors of no XL jump line this season too, after one season of it they might see it as good and stop it forever. Might be the end of blackpark edits... would be tough to see no more iconic edits as well as never getting to hit those jumps again. Hope it is not true.
freeskibum82
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14208203:ohhbecker said:
dude.. it's been super warm and with Covid-19 they need to provide top to bottom skiing for everyone not just park rats. do you really want every tom dick and jane skiing down your beloved park? It's the right move THIS YEAR to focus on main mountain first to get people up to the mountain, using those passes (so Epic wont have to refund) and then move into park on carinthia when temps cooperate. They are building Gulch today! Relax.. Yes Vail will change things like inferno going away minus the two showtime booters at the bottom but park kids are not a revenue stream. That lodge at that base of carinthia is the sure sign carinthia will be changing and not all trails will be park but realistically, how many features do you really need to do your 2 on 2 off with afterbang?
14209606:freeskibum82 said:
I mean I've had fun hitting the same flat rail in my backyard for hours but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a shame for carinthia to get nerfed.
Place had a good run. Lots of parks, exceptional dirtbaggery, quality vibes. Good times.
colorado_frenchy
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14204672:.nasty said:
Exactly, iconic is the word, Breckenridge and Keystone parks are iconic, I knew about those two resorts (and Aspen) growing up in France just from watching edits, Dew Tour, (and X games).
I understand that the average vail customer cannot ride 90% of the big parks but if you look at it from a marketing perspective, investing in parks attract pro skiers, who are basically influencers in those Instagram times, so you could make the argument that the resorts logo appearing in all of those pro skiers edits and IG stories/clip is "free" advertisement made possible by investing in their parks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also if we're talking vail parks, how the hell does vail end up in the top 10 so often. Talking vail vail. They're park was bever that great. Golden peak is fun but it's not rhat good. Its nothing special. Pretty emaverage. And makaha or whatever wouod be a waste to ride iver to because it never had anything that good and was super poorly maintained whenever i went there. Havent been to vail on the mtn in 4 or 5 ywars prolly though but they were up on the park poll those years.
Obviously it will never be a true reflection of best parks but it usually made sense. Mammoth, copper, keystone etc usually being up there.
Obviously it will never be a true reflection of best parks but it usually made sense. Mammoth, copper, keystone etc usually being up there.
tri_photo
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I'm late to this thread, so my apologies. My little brother has a pass to Stevens here in WA (he lives closer to that resort than Snoqualmie), and granted, it is the beginning of the season, but he said that their park setup is absolute trash. Lazy, bland, no flow... I hope it isn't a Vail trend. Snoqualmie has issues, but the last few years, in my opinion, the park has not been one of them thankfully (they are not a part of Vail)
TOAST.
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14209501:SkiBum. said:
Idk I cant see boulder really competing with Camelback. Maybe if people start doing half their day at boulder and half at frost, but Camelback has much more to offer. Cant see much in the way of expanding trails at them either because they will probably be putting all the money to updating their lifts which is overdo.
GreezyBastard
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79$ for a 4 hour ticket to ski 800 vertical ft
nah I’m good
nah I’m good
Today I have to take back 99% of my shit talking.
Mount Snow was fantastic. 15 days after opening and we got a real park with probably 10-15 features and two solid jumps. Props to the park crew for crushing it. We’ll see how the rest of the season goes. Rumor is we won’t have a big park and no jumps over 30 feet, so the park crew is apparently planning on building lippy moonbooters to compensate.
Mount Snow was fantastic. 15 days after opening and we got a real park with probably 10-15 features and two solid jumps. Props to the park crew for crushing it. We’ll see how the rest of the season goes. Rumor is we won’t have a big park and no jumps over 30 feet, so the park crew is apparently planning on building lippy moonbooters to compensate.
sqeellicbic
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14210502:ohhbecker said:
I agree it was great today. Where are you hearing these rumors? I really hope they're not true
14210522:sqeellicbic said:
I hope they're not. Sometimes a lippy jump is good, but if the only reason is some bullshit deck limit that's pretty whack. I hope this is just a rumor or exaggeration. I can't see mount snow getting limited to 30 foot jumps this season. I can totally see inferno being dead and nothing over 50 ever again. But nothing over 30 this season seems like bs. Hopefully not legit.
The park they just built looks pretty good though. Hoping it's a good season there and vail ownership doesn't fuck them too hard. Sucks that 2 of the best parks in the east mount snow and BB are now VR. Well see what happens.
first_rodeo
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14209606:freeskibum82 said:
I need 80 rails minimum to avoid Saturday crowds.
freeskibum82
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14211736:first_rodeo said:
people actually go on saturdays? there's your first problem
halfwatt
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I could not agree more. Vail owns a mountain I’ve been going through for a few years, and they screwed over all park skiers.
There was a small two person chair called Brooks on the far right side of the mountain. It has almost a perfect layout for a park. Features got progressively bigger towards the bottom of the mountain, and exits for all the jerry’s were easy to find.
the run had S-M features up top, L-XL in the mid section, then a S-L job garden at the very bottom.
Then vail came.
they moved the park to the most populated chair on the mountain. the line is horrible to wait in, the little kids are constantly an annoyance, and the top 200yds are about 20ft wide. Barely any room for features.
the park crew could only build jumps about 10ft big on the run, instead of the 20-30ft on brooks.
I asked the park crew about it and they all said how much they hate it.
vail. your entire company reeks of “mY dAd Is A LaWyEr”. I’m getting a pass elsewhere next season. (If only leaving had an impact on the company lol)
There was a small two person chair called Brooks on the far right side of the mountain. It has almost a perfect layout for a park. Features got progressively bigger towards the bottom of the mountain, and exits for all the jerry’s were easy to find.
the run had S-M features up top, L-XL in the mid section, then a S-L job garden at the very bottom.
Then vail came.
they moved the park to the most populated chair on the mountain. the line is horrible to wait in, the little kids are constantly an annoyance, and the top 200yds are about 20ft wide. Barely any room for features.
the park crew could only build jumps about 10ft big on the run, instead of the 20-30ft on brooks.
I asked the park crew about it and they all said how much they hate it.
vail. your entire company reeks of “mY dAd Is A LaWyEr”. I’m getting a pass elsewhere next season. (If only leaving had an impact on the company lol)
Cyanicenine
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Is Transitions park at Canyons dead? Someone said something to that effect on the PC instagram and when I look at the online trail map the park isn't on it anymore, and it was definitely on the map last season.
Also to the guy above me I was so sad when I heard about what they did to Stevens pass terrain park. That was the best park in Washington state, the XL jumps were dialed, waterfall, juniors and junks where the first 50+ foot jumps I ever hit. I can't believe they got rid of top flight and moved the park to Hogs, that lift was completely unridable most days, and I've heard the crowds have gotten even worse since I moved out of the state.
Also to the guy above me I was so sad when I heard about what they did to Stevens pass terrain park. That was the best park in Washington state, the XL jumps were dialed, waterfall, juniors and junks where the first 50+ foot jumps I ever hit. I can't believe they got rid of top flight and moved the park to Hogs, that lift was completely unridable most days, and I've heard the crowds have gotten even worse since I moved out of the state.
Yung_Gnarley
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14213759:CT_CREW said:
really were the glory years. Style and confidence everywhere.
14213918:SkiBum. said:
Man that's fucked. Hope it doesnt happen.
edai
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Really sad reading these comments about mt snow. Dew tour back in the day was iconic, the halfpipe was legendary, the xbox in the lodge went crazy, do they still have the grommit park? I haven't skied mt snow for about 4 years now, my most recent memory is taking bong rips in the parking lot before work at 5am, fuck vail man.
As far as Breck and Key go, you can't expect to meet a solid crew at Key every time the same way you could even like 2 or 3 years ago. Breck's got some solid crews if you know the right people but I'm sure it's not like it was even 5 years ago.
Copper's got it going for sure, kind of a shitload of people because Key and Breck are beat in Summit now. Ikon is obviously branding themselves as the fun and exciting resort line while Vail is taking the higher end route, I just wonder what timeline they have and how far away from park that transition will go.
How are the resorts in the midwest that Ikon owns operating as far as park goes?
As far as Breck and Key go, you can't expect to meet a solid crew at Key every time the same way you could even like 2 or 3 years ago. Breck's got some solid crews if you know the right people but I'm sure it's not like it was even 5 years ago.
Copper's got it going for sure, kind of a shitload of people because Key and Breck are beat in Summit now. Ikon is obviously branding themselves as the fun and exciting resort line while Vail is taking the higher end route, I just wonder what timeline they have and how far away from park that transition will go.
How are the resorts in the midwest that Ikon owns operating as far as park goes?
sqeellicbic
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14214643:edai said:
They had it last season and I don't see why they wouldn't put it up this year since it's just a couple of boxes and small rails.
ski_salmon69
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my local vail mountain in pa opens tomorrow and all they’re opening is the j bar park with a few features. i thought they’d be able to open up the main park with a few features with this weeks storm plus snowmaking temps all week but idk. last year we had a pretty solid setup under peak ownership, i just hope they kept some of the same guys on park crew and they’re given freedom to build shit
14204688:Yung_Gnarley said:
Same man I got to lap and film at those parks right before they started to decline. Memories that ill cherish forever as they put so much time and effort into those parks.
Luckily it seems that Altera/Ikon is into the park seen, Mammoth and Big Bear are still firing and Copper and Killington are getting better thanks to Woodward. Hopefully all park kids will switch from Epic to Ikon and Vail will start to lose money. If there kids switch passes the families and siblings will.
T.L.
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I worked parks at Beaver Creek for 5 years and left this past fall. Rodeo park was killed after no one complained that it was gone after a shit snow year. Lumberyard was killed even after it was built and set up 2 years in a row. Zoom Room got the axe this year because covid and the budget was cut twice by the time I left that totaled over 50% gone.
Talked to a few of the guys still there and I guess they built a small park in the base area with a 4 pack of small jumps. They were told to doze them out after they were already built. I guess they want everyone to play dead and not exceed the customers pre existing low expectations due to covid.
VR parks are not in a good spot right now. They're bleeding talent, they lack vision, innovation, and homogenization when it comes to best practices across all their resorts. There is some MAJOR fucked up shit I've seen on social media that's going to land them hot water if the wrong thing happens at the right time. The worst part.... They know all that and no one seems to care.
Talked to a few of the guys still there and I guess they built a small park in the base area with a 4 pack of small jumps. They were told to doze them out after they were already built. I guess they want everyone to play dead and not exceed the customers pre existing low expectations due to covid.
VR parks are not in a good spot right now. They're bleeding talent, they lack vision, innovation, and homogenization when it comes to best practices across all their resorts. There is some MAJOR fucked up shit I've seen on social media that's going to land them hot water if the wrong thing happens at the right time. The worst part.... They know all that and no one seems to care.
Hellblazer_23
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I've skied jfbb for awhile and was appaled by vails management this year. Last year boulder opened the weekend before Thanksgiving with a insanely good park. And then jack frost would open 1-2 weeks later with most of the mountain open. This year, jack frost didn't open to last weekend with only 3 trails open, with one park being the hardest. The park was utterly depressing, with only 6 rails on top and nothing after that. This weekend all they had were the same rails and 2 sketch hips. I didn't even care about boulder being open, after finding out there were barley any features. Plus I went with a family friend and they had to wait in line to pick up their PAID ticket in person. After all the years of going here all I got to say is F@$% vail.
rojo.grande
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Heres a revolutionary idea... (eheath don't shit on me for bringing random numbers or money into this) all of ns tosses in some cash, we buy out some shit and boom we got an all park resort.
It would NEVER happen but even the thought is so sexy just imagine. Seeing the big man himself Eheath in a cat pushing around shit loads of snow like the moderate Jesus he is... and im putting [tag=256866]@BigPurpleSkiSuit[/tag] in charge of hospitality.
One fucked up reality I live in huh...
**This post was edited on Dec 19th 2020 at 7:46:04pm
It would NEVER happen but even the thought is so sexy just imagine. Seeing the big man himself Eheath in a cat pushing around shit loads of snow like the moderate Jesus he is... and im putting [tag=256866]@BigPurpleSkiSuit[/tag] in charge of hospitality.
One fucked up reality I live in huh...
**This post was edited on Dec 19th 2020 at 7:46:04pm
14214990:T.L. said:
Man Vail really aucks the life out if places. Glad you got out if BC. That place was fucking the parks harder every year.
