Is religion mainly to blame for hatred/ war?

Ok deeep question.

I'm an atheist myself but if I had to choose one faith it would be Buddhism. if we were all Buddhists there wouldn't be so much shit happening in the world!
 
religion doesn't create war, ASSHOLES do. radical islam(insurgents) and hardcore christians(westboro church/bush[not hardcore but hey! a chance to hate the man]) who think they need to act on every thought they get start the violence.
 
Its pretty much everytime about gaining or defending money and power. Religion is used to fuel armies not cause wars. This includes the crusades and the war on terror.
 
not fully. I think money and power are way bigger reasons for war and the leaders that want money and power get the peoples support with religion
 
i would def blame the Qu'ran for pretty much every major conflict in the world today
 
couldn't agree more... you take money + power and throw religion into the mix, and voila u have a load of brainwashed followers willing to do anything for what they believe. and thats dangerous.

truth is, thats how I see religion- as a means of brainwashing. well radical religions at least.
 
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until recent wars, money hasn't been a large factor I think. previously it was territory/land (which used to equal power), military dominance, social/cultural discrepancies and religion that caused conflict. unlike this war where oil is a big factor. comment?
 
Yeh I agree. When I say power and money. I mean relative power and money which is tipped by land, economical and political control.
 
If there was no such thing as religion, there would be something else that was taken to an extreme to justify violence, so NO, religion isn't to blame, extremism is.
 
it's human nature to covet the possesions of others, and when they can't get these things, they turn to underhanded tactics to get what they wnat, i.e. money, power, respect, the church is a great way to justify these actions
 
Imagine a world without guidance. I'm not saying I know for sure that god exists but honestly it doesn't hurt to believe that someone is watching over us. The more we disprove religions the more society goes downhill. I choose to believe in a higher being. Religion doesn't cause wars, humans taking religious words out of context create wars.
 
I love jesus. and jesus says to love everybody but hwat i cant get is why people who claim they love jesus say such hateful things about other people. I really dont understand how God is supposed to love everyone but they go out and say god hates fags, democrats, catholics, whoever. I really think that these bigots shouldnt be allowed to raise children
 
9/11 was not really because of religion. You should definitely read up on some of the history of American influence in Saudi Arabia.
 
Yes it was. Osama Bin Laden didn't want American Troops in Saudi Arabia because they thought American Troops shouldn't be allowed near Mecca.
 
Wow you're a pretty dumb person.

Let me think...CRUSADES? How about you look at why Middle Eastern countries hate us instead of just being a retard and bashing something that has nothing to do with why they hate us.
 
Uh no, that was the not really part. American opinion influence in Saudi government and policies was the main cause. Thus the reason why he spoke out and thus the reason he was exiled...for his speaking out. So no, religion wasn't really the main cause.
 
your question is flawed in that if everyone were the same religion, not just budhism, the world would be better, it is the intolerances between different religions that cause problems
 
Bin Laden didn't agree with Saudi's harboring US troops in Saudi Arabia because of Mecca, not because we tried to influence countrys in the Middle East.
 
You can take as many routes with this as your mind can handle, but its gonna come back to the same thing, human nature. If it weren't religion it would be something else. It just how we are.

Reason for the bold: Wayyyy too deep a question for a bunch of 12 year olds.....


 
9/11 happened cause a bunch of pricks didnt like us and decided to blow some of our buildings up. Now we need to take a good look at our foreign policy, among other things, and try to make sure it doesn't happen again. Nobody needs to know exactly why. If they were reasonable people maybe, but these fuckers can't be reasoned with. It does us no good to understand why they because we cant stop them for trying again either way.

That said, Mitch is right.
 
Honestly, I think you have no faith in todays youth. Kids are getting smarter, and learning younger earlier and earlier. Kids are beginning to mature faster, and start doing drugs and other things even earlier, things that we didn't start 'til highschool. It works the same way with thoughts. Kids can gain insight into politics and the political world around them, and the more insightful, deliberate ones can do research and back up their conclusions.

As for human nature, I agree completely because I am of the belief that humans have only, and will only, ever be good at killing. All things we have done have been to make humans the dominant species, and in the long run, humans have lost the "Flight" instinct.
 
Well I'm 24. So I'm gonna carry on.

The power struggles stem from the *fear* of losing security and happiness in your society. If you are top of the power tree, you are most secure. This is why countries fight each other. Religion is purely a tool to empower will into armies. 99.9% of the time it is not the primary cause for conflict.
 
"The splitting-up of the world into three great superstates was an event which could be and indeed was foreseen before the middle of the twentieth century. With the absorption of Europe by Russia and the British Empire by the United States, two of the three existing powers, Eurasia and Oceania were already effectively in being. The third, Eastasia only emerged as a distinct unit after another decade of confused fighting. The frontiers between the three superstates are in some places arbitrary, and in others they fluctuate according to the fortunes of war, but in general they follow geographical lines. Eurasia comprises the whole of the northern part of the European and Asiatic land-mass, from Portugal to the Bering Strait. Oceania comprises the Americas, the Atlantic islands including the British Isles, Australia, and the southern portion of Africa. Eastasia, smaller than the others and with a less definite western frontier, comprises China and the countries of the south of it, the Japanese islands and a large but fluctuating portion of Manchuria, Mongolia, and Tibet.

In one combination of another, these three superstates are permanently at war, and have been so for the past twenty-five years. War, however, is no longer the desperate, annhilating struggle that it was in the early decades of the twentieth century. It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting, and are not divided by any genuine idealogical difference. This is not to say that either the conduct of war, or the prevailing attitude toward it, has become less bloodthirsty or more chivalrous. On the contrary, war hysteria is continuous and universal in all countries, and such acts as raping, looting, the slaughter of children, the reduction of whole populations to slavery, and reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal by the enemy, meritorious. But in the physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or the rount floating fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes. In the centers of civilization war means no more than a continuous crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths. War has infact changed its character. More exactly, the reasons for which was is waged have changed in their order of importance. Motives which were already present to some small extent in the great war of the early twentieth century have now become dominant and are consciously recognized and acted upon."


-George Orwell, 1984

I think this passage sums up what could become of war, when land and territory becomes trivial.
 
buddhism isn't really a religion so much as it is a way of life. i know numerous people who are catholic but live buddhist lifestyles.
 
I think this is a poor way to look at the world. Are you saying you only do "good" things, and base your morals off of the fact that some omnipotent being may be watching your actions and reading your thoughts at all time? Why does guidance have to come from a book, a religion, or a god?

I'd also argue that it does hurt to believe in something for no particular reason. Do you believe the earth is flat? Do you believe black people are inferior to white people? You may believe anything you want, but that doesn't make it true.

Blindly believing in something is a form of turning your brain off. Progress comes from looking at things critically, and making decisions based on facts, and logic.
 
Hatred creates war. So the real thing to be analyzed here is what creates hatred.

Simply, hatred occurs for a number of reasons which could include jealousy, settling old scores, or simple misdirected anger. However, all of hatred comes from a difference between two groups of people, and that difference creating anger from one or both sides towards the other.

Religion happens to be a very devicive issue. The monotheistic religions (religions that believe in one god, the big three are Christianity, Islam, and Judiasim(sp)) all preach that they are the chosen people, and that the only way to reach some sort of eternal paradise is to subscribe to that particular religion. This creates a paradox, as all three claim that they are the one true way. Naturally, the more devout and passionate sects of all three religions turn to violence to enforce or effect their ideology on others. This is as old as the land squabbles recounted in the Bible or the Crusades and as recent as the "war on terror."

As a Lutheran, a denomination of Christianity, I see God as a way to positively effect change in the world. I will be the last, the very last, person to force anyone to believe anything, but the work that the Christian church has accomplished with the homeless, hungry, and poor of the United States and the world at large gives me faith. I state this to show that religion can be a force for good in the world, not a cause to take up arms.

Hatred, and its progeny, War, are the cause of people seeing differences and angrily wanting a change. The world would be a lot better place if we could work out or leave alone others differences without resorting to killing to change others. Religion can be a component, but I cannot believe that the purpose of religion is to cause conflict because to me it solves conflict.
 
Human Nature is to blame if you want a real culprit. Human nature creates fear, jealousy, greed, love and hatred. Out of it come government, philosophies, religion, culture, societies and conflict. Yet, human nature is precisely what makes us 'human'. If we were ever somehow able to completely eliminate wars, I believe at least some part of our human nature would be lost, and we would cease to be 'human'.
 
Well put! My tidbit is is i believe Bush uses the religion factor in his speeches and shit to try and obviously swindle people into thinkin hes a honest christian man whos out for "his" peoples thoughts,concerns, and they're safety when infact hes is just like his father a warmonger who thrives on taking mor more more of what does not belong to him but realistically cant say that thats what hes doin he has to make it seem as if we are responsible for the entire worlds well being and sticks his nose in some places where it doesnt belong.But things like people starving in Africa and other matters of the sort that some countries have no way of takin care of i think we could help out with....who knows i could be just talkin out of my ass i guess but to tell you the truth i hate politics it always strikes up an argument or conflict between people because lets face it we have our own views and opinions and nobodys mindset is the same.Well theres my tidbit!
 
HAHAHAHAHA!I just think its funny shit when people like you put stupid shit like this up arguin over the internet isnt bad and it does accomplish stuff if you keep in in the right context people can learn thing understand peoples point of views better and even solve problems....if you dont like it dont read the thread no ones bending your wrist here....!
 
Yeh that's whats so great about it. Its guidelines on how to live rather than forceful rules, like some religions. I studied it for a year and seriously, they're so clued up on everything.

People are right in sayin greed is the main culprit for shit that happens. Thats something that will always be in human nature and thats why I have so much admiration for Buddhists...they give up lots of their belongings/ sacrifice the comforts in their life as a way of fighting greed.
 
Bam...exactly what I was thinking and what I was about to post. Perfect example of what was going through my mind.
 
Because we're argueing.

If we were argueing it would be more like, "BUSH AND ALL OF CHRISTIANITY ARE KILLING PEOPLE!!!11one!!"

"BLAH BLAH NO YOU'RE GAY THEY ARENT LOL?"

That's more argumentative, not our little point-of-view seperate, island posts.
 
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