Is christianity offensive

if you take the good from the bad, don;t be a blind believer, christianity is a good way to live life, good morals can be found, respect for others (well really only fellow men becasue all women are evil according to the church) etc... i take offense in that i belong to a species that seems to need a crutch to find meaning in life other than that of continuing our species and adapting through evolution. the church demonizes women so we may maintain our oppression of them. that is offensive.
 
i dont agree with a lot of the stuff that christianity teaches and thats why i am waiting to get confirmed until i understand it more
 
if you don;t agree with it, don't go with it. follow what you believe, if it takes you from christianity, so be it. its your life, you don;t have to follow a code laid down by men 2000ybp. shit dude, its just a moral code, take what you want, discard the rest.
 
i take offence to people who grossly misinterpret one or two passages that they may have read in the bible, or base their understanding of "Christianity" on a few people who may also be taking those passages to heart out of context for their own missguided purposes.

Christianity, or at lest the teachings and ideals are nothing but good. its certain sects that have taken them and turned them around for purposes that have been less than inspired.
 
can women be in the highest powers in the chutch?

the answer is no, its becasue they had their power checked when the bible was written. it is oppressive.

time for a reality check. when women are not allowed to do the same things, or reach the same levels as men, becasue of rules, oppression is taking place. you can;t deny that.
 
depends on the church and if you define 'oppresion' as different... i agree that it happens, but i dont think that if you asked Jesus if he was going to teach oppression of women he would have said "oh, yeah, for sure. its a basic tenet of my philosophy." point is, people suck, Christianity doesnt.
 
jesus may have been al about equality, his foloowers, the christians were not. jesus did not write your book, his followers did. his followers are christians, the picture paints itself.
 
my book? i mean, i own one, but id hardly take credit for it. i guess our definitions of christianity are different.

ive noticed that you say that youre an agnostic, which is fine... and that youre all about living a life based on morality and common respect for others independant of religion... which is also fine. my question is, where do you think that your concept of whats moral comes from? i have a general idea where the bulk of it comes from. i mean, maybe youre going to cite me some confuscian ideals here, or something along those lines, but im guessing that you were probably raised in the western hemisphere, in a community whose entire notion of whats moral is based on the judeo christian tenets of right and wrong...

my point here, is that you may feel some antipathy for organized religion per se, you shouldnt outright bash the thing that sets the context of morality for 99% of the western world.

in this way the bible is as much your book as it is mine. like it or not.
 
I get a little offended when they come to my door and be real pushie about how the love of jesus will save my life and insist on coming in and talking to me.
 
if jesus was still alive now im sure he would commit suicide for what religion has turned into.
 
I think its wrong how you classified all christians into one catagoie. Yes the "fire and brimstone" christians preach we are all sinners and shit but that is probably .5% of the christian population.
 
It depends on the denomination. So did you have a feminist mother who fed you all these misguided views?
 
Some Christian denominations do not allow women to hold high positions in the church. However this is individual, and is not a reflection of Christianity as a whole. It does not say in the bible that women should be oppressed. If they are, that is not biblical, and is wrong.

The Old Testament was written before Jesus' time. Any type of segregation spoken of in the bible was during the Old Testament times, where people were split up into Jews (the race through which salvation would come to the world) and Gentiles. Jesus' followers did not write that. The New Testement was written by Jesus' followers, and for the first time, made all men (by men I mean mankind) equal in the eyes of the Lord (this is what Jesus dying on the cross did). They (those who wrote the new testement) did not write about women in an oppressing manner at all.
 
I believe that christianity is only "offensive" in it's most extreme forms (i.e. when practiced by sadistic right wing lunatics). I do find certain aspects of christianity to be quite offensive and also a large hindrance to the creation of an equal and just society, for example the continued attempt to ban same sex marriage, but on the whole I do not believe that christianity itself is offensive.

I myself am not religious in the least, I don't believe in god and I don't feel the need to live out my life in accordance to a document that I personally regard with an extraordinary amount of skepticism. That being said I have no problem whatsoever with those who are able to take good things from the bible and feel that it helps lead them down a good path. I will say that as someone who is really at a total loss as far as understanding the appeal of religion that I find it truly remarkable that in an age where damn near everything can be explained by science there are still so many million people worldwide who remain so strongly religious.

I realize what I'm saying is probably fairly offensive to those of you who are religious (and believe me the irony is not lost on me) but forgive me I'm simply trying to understand what makes you guys tick. I guess I have a tendency to get distracted by the whole creationist thing (which no offense I find to be a HUGE load of crap)which often causes me to completely forget the moral code aspect of christianity which is probably by and large much more important to most modern christians anyway. My only problem with this is that I really don't think that we ought to need a specific code to guide our actions, that should be inherently obvious. I was brought up without any emphasis on religion whatsoever but I was still taught teh difference between right and wrong and all that good stuff, just without the stuff that makes me angry. I know some of you will say that the morals I was taught came from teh bible whether I like it or not but I really don't buy into that. The notion of fair and equitable treatment of others would have come about one way or another, jesus or no jesus. End of rant sorry.
 
what you non religious people who still insist that youre strongly 'moral' people, who can subsist outside the bounds of an oh-so-controlling religious framework in your lives are missing, is that the entire context of western 'morality' is essentially judeo christian. just like a middle eastern 'morality' is in the context of an Isalmic morlity based on sheria. you cant escape it, and it would be best to acknowledge that whether you subscribe to any organized religion, your code of ethics, is essentially Christian. if youre so independant of religion, why are you still allowing yourselves to be bound by the repressive shackles of morality? if youre as independant as many of you may claim to be, then lets hear some real independant ideas.

you think that because you smoke some weed every now and then, and because youre so intellectually liberated that you 'know' that religion is a crock, and that general morality debates in society are only held back by 'right wing fanantics' (abortion, capital punishment, gay marrige, etc) that youre not abiding by the basic precepts of a relgion?

you undertand futher, of course, that your vehement disdain for 'organized religion' and your ademant following of whatever precepts guide your life is just as binding as any given religion is? youre really not any more free, in any aspect of life. there will be choices that you can make that will go with or against your belief system, whether its one that is within the confines of a church, or one thats within the confines of your own brain. either way, youre confined. you just might not know it.

this isnt directed at any one person in particular, but at all people who make claims of repression and inequality in relgion, and to people who think that religion is some kind of crutch for the intellectually weak minded. which is a pile of crap. to be blunt. religion is no more a crutch that the lack of religion. youre still dependant on something.

if youre going to try and make an argument that religios ideals and morals are for those who cannot back up their ideals with common sense or some other kind of philosophical thought, then you probably ought to check yourself. if youre going to put yourself above the myriads of religios philosophers, and numerous scientists who all subscribe to a religion, then youre certainly thinking a bit too much of yourself. intellectual capacity has nothing to do with it. when you can put forth philosophical works that best st. thomas aquinas, then maybe well talk.

untill then, haters, youre no better, nor any worse than any religious person. if you cant see that, then maybe youre not the enlightened, open minded person you think you are.

swineherds.
 
to clarify one point, yes, i am well aware that religion has been used in the past for purposes that directly contradict the doctrine. again, the issue is the people that twist doctrine of any relgion, christiany, or Islam, or whatever. not the religious thought itself.

so dont go citing me every time crime was commited in the name of religion. or youll have to also cite me every time that crime has been commited in the name of every other motivation.
 
actually, the fact that eve ate the fruit isn't so bad as the fact that adam ended up doing it too. it's his eating it that brought sin uponthe world: total rejection of God by mankind (human kind), not womankind.
 
its not just christian society. its every society. Islamic, asian, western, you name it. i would guess that it stemms from biological differnces way back when. aside from that, im not sure. but its pervasive way beyond the christian world.
 
Took the words right out of my mouth on that one. very well said.

I personally take offense to people that call themselves Christians and are far from it. The people that call themselves Christians who persecute, harass, look down on, and judge gays, muslims, homeless, or anyone different than themselvess.

Nowhere is this encouraged in the Bible, and to stereotype Christians as this is as close-minded as to stereotype all muslims as being terrorists.

It's written that Jesus spent most of his time hanging out with the poor, wrteched, weak, prostitutes, etc. And never once saw them any differently than anyone else. The Bible makes specific point So next time someone who calls themselves a Christian tells you that you are going to hell,

Slap them in the face with 'Matt. 7: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.. How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' [tell him of his "minor" sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about]?

Now, it's your choice to slap him with words or the back of your hand. Both are fair game :)
 
if your an extremist it can be offencive but its not reasonable to be offended by moral christian values
 
Whether Adam or Eve took the first bite doesn't really matter. The fact is, both ate the fruit, therefore both sinned equally.
 
they say all people are sinners because of waht we consider sins. Like making fun of some one is a sin. Well have you ever done that? Its just exactly like that. They just are bassicly saying no ones perfect. They say even jesus sinned.
 
That is absolutely wrong and any Christian that says Jesus sinned is wrong.

The whole purpose of Jesus was to provide a means of salvation to the whole world. The price of sin is death (hell),and Jesus, who was without sin, took the sin of the world upon himself so that everyone who believes in him will not perish (hell) but have everlasting life (heaven).

If Jesus had sinned, he would have no different than us, and his death on the cross would have meant nothing.
 
i found out that if i drink Monument Farms Chocolate milk, 7 hours later it comes out about the same way as it went in
 
i came to check in on this thread, and saw your name as the most recent post. right then and there, i knew i was in for an intellectually stimulating, mind bending, conscious altering experience.

you didnt dissapoint.
 
christianity isnt offensive.....its really not different than the jewish religon...but the jewish behelive that he wasnt the son of god and he was just a holy guy.. do how can it be offensive
 
There is a huge difference between saying christianity is a certain way, and saying chrisitans are a certain way. As precise as a lot of the stories in the bible are, they are still up for interpretation by the reader.
 
the morals of christianity don't bother me at all. in fact, i totally agree with most of them. on the other hand, a literal interpretation of the bible's lessons leads to a very agressive stance i find unpleasent. im happy for all those christians who find their god and love him/her, but I don't like being told i'm going to burn in hell unless i repent my ways. just my two cents
 
Kids at school go around talking about this and that, it may be offensive to some people, but I don't know why. But if a teacher does it it's illegal because its "Seperation between Church and State"
 
the ignorant will ramain so, and thats alright, just don;t interfere with my life. as long as church and state remain seperate in canada its all good. it's for all countries where this does nto happen that i feel pity.

i was brought up with a respect for earth and my fellow humans. it is a mix between christian morals (my parents occasionaly went to church as kids) and naturalist beliefs. many morals gained from the bible are great, but many of the stories have led to oppression instead of freedom. men (who wrote the book) put themselves above the females (mary magdelene, calling her a whore), so they may opprese all females that wish to follow.

my mom was not an aggressive femeinist, she was an egalitarian, a true feminist who believes that women and men are equal and should be treated so.
 
basically christianity is offensive to anyone who isnt a christian, not so much what christians are doing now, even though the child molestation doesnt really help, bascially the entire history of the religion is based on oppression and forcing people to become christians, think crusades and spanish inquisition
 
I have no problem with christianity as long as it is followed in a good manner. When people twist the words of the bible into their favor to tell other people they are wrong or are living immorally, then I really don't like religion. The whole concept of religion is good, but the way people follow it has strayed from that quite a bit. Overall, I think that religion is more of a crutch for the weak, I think people should be able to think for themselves instead of turning to a book for guidance. But if it saves a few people from going down the wrong path, then christianity has done some good and I support it in that way.
 
I like pascals wager. which is that it is better to just belive in god because there is no downside to it. and if you dont believe then you are going to hell if god exists. but if you believe and there is no god then you have just wasted your time, no big loss.

so all in all it is safer to beliveve in god.
 
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