Iraq Soldier writes to American Voters (The real story)

Rez4frederick

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Just One Joe...

The following letter was written by a soldier in Iraq to 100 random voters in each of the 50 states. It was sent from Iraq as a plea for American voters to understand what our troops are feeling. The letter is unedited from what he wrote.

Dear Voter,

My name is Joe. I am currently serving in my second deployment to Iraq as an Army officer. The biggest differences between this deployment and my last one are:

  • The location (within Iraq)
  • The Job (much busier : less free time/sleep)
  • The duration (last deployment was 12 months, this one is 15)

I am sure you are wondering why some random soldier in Iraq would write you a letter... there are several reasons, but the primary one will be obvious by the end. First I'll tell you a little about myself.

I'm 26 years old, I've been married for almost 7 years, and I have a son and a daughter in elementary school. I grew up in Georgia, but I live in Colorado Springs now. I come from a long line of military officers, so I was sort of “destined” to serve. Although I only have 3 ½ years in the Army, I've been wearing the uniform for 12 years (JROTC & ROTC). I have a degree in computer science and I'm a music & movie enthusiast.

Now that you know a little about me, I'd like to inform you on what Iraq is really like.

Iraq is a war-torn country in political and engineering shambles. When the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003, the intent was to remove Saddam Hussein from power. Once that was done, the military then targeted all Ba'athists (members of Saddam's political party) because they were assumed to be loyal to Saddam. The problem with this “eradication” was the Ba'athists were the people who managed Iraq's infrastructure. So our targeting caused the collapse of all of their water, power, sewage, oil, and transportation capabilities!

Also, because we dismantled their military, there was nobody to guard all of the thousands of artillery rounds and bullets that we stock-piled from Saddam's Army. Where do you think the insurgents & terrorists got all of their weapons, ammo, and IED material to attack U.S. troops???

These are second-order effects of the U.S. policy to intervene in foreign countries. While our intentions might be good, Americans would be better off minding our own business and using diplomacy and trade to influence other nations.

Considering that President Bush and Vice President Cheney have both stated that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks on September 11th, 2001, why did we invade Iraq? And why do we have a majority of our military concentrated in Iraq??

Iraqis (and most middle-easterners in general) are used to having a dictator. The cultures of that region have a long history of authoritarian rule. Iraq had a dictator before Saddam Hussein, and they will likely resort to a dictatorship when we leave. They don't care about democracy, they just want peace. (This is not my conclusion, those are the words of the Iraqis I've talked to during my time here.) And the truest assessment that nearly all politicians, generals, diplomats and bureaucrats agree on is:

You cannot find a military solution to a diplomatic/political problem.

“The surge is working.” In recent months, attacks have gone down. Many soldiers are shocked at how long it has been since they hit an IED in certain locations, or received incoming mortar rounds hit their camp. While there is a correlation (more troops, less attacks) there is no causation. Also, most of the influx of troops have been placed in Baghdad… this increase in volume simply displaced the “terrorists” and insurgents into areas surrounding Baghdad! Since the surge began, there have been more innocent, non-combatant Iraqis killed and more soldiers have died. We have had 3 suicides in 2 weeks!! Do you think the Army attracts suicidal people? Or perhaps the cost of carrying out U.S. foreign policy is making soldiers suicidal (15 month deployments, deployment extensions, stop-loss program, etc.)...

How can anyone justify the deaths of thousands of people with optimistic predictions based on premature statistics?!?

The truth is: the country is still war-torn, people are still attacking U.S. troops and our military is still occupying their country. Studies have proven that the primary reason for suicide (terrorist) attacks is occupation. The U.S. grows a lot of corn and wheat – What would Americans do if a foreign country that clearly consumes massive amounts of corn & wheat invaded the United States to free Americans from the tyrannical regime of President Bush, and set up bases around America??! Would you believe that they only invaded to remove Bush from power? Wouldn't We Fight THEM?!?!

Most American Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen signed their contract because they wanted to defend the United States. We all swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. How can we defend America and protect her Constitution from the other side of the world?!

We can't.

That is why I implore you to help keep America worth fighting for...

Even if it is something as simple as voting in your state's primary election, calling your senator to voice your opposition to a bill, or telling your friends and family to vote and contact their senators.

There is a candidate who is running for President that breaks the typical mold of a corrupt politician. Not one single time, in his 17 years in Congress, has he voted to raise taxes. He served his country as a flight surgeon on the Air Force, he is a medical doctor who has been married for ever 50 years, and he never votes “yes” on legislation unless it is expressly permitted by the Constitution.

There is a candidate who is running for President that backs up his words with actions. Every stance he takes is backed by legislation he has proposed in Congress. He opposed invading Iraq because the method Congress wanted to use was unconstitutional. Even though he did not want to invade a country that posed no threat to the U.S., he still proposed a Declaration of War on Iraq just so the invasion would be Constitutional.

He has the largest following of real people across the world, yet he is selectively marginalized by main-stream media. He recently broke the record for most donations received in a single day (over $6 Million!), and somehow he is still proclaimed to be “a long shot.”

Most importantly: He is the only candidate running for President who voices genuine, consistent concern for the Constitution, the economy, foreign policy, and Liberty.

That candidate is RON PAUL.

The facts I've mentioned are the reasons that Ron Paul has more campaign donations from Active Duty Military and Veterans than any other candidate. The current conditions in Iraq are the unpredicted effects of a flawed foreign policy. The most likely (and noticeable) result of a Ron Paul presidency will be a more secure and prosperous America, because the military would defend the U.S. instead of being used as a world police force, and the money not spent overseas would dramatically improve America's economy.

The reason that I hold Ron Paul in such high esteem is not because he is experienced, or eloquent, or because he seems “like he can beat Hillary.” I support Ron Paul because I swore an oath to defend the Constitution, and Ron Paul is the only one running for President who cares about it. (It's also likely he is the only one who reads it!)

It is Ron Paul's message of freedom that draws thousands of people to hear him speak and donate their time & money to his campaign.

Ron Paul is a proven man of principle who doesn't cater to special interest groups. His number one concern is the very thing that made America such a desired place to live:

FREEDOM

I am open to answer any questions you may have about Iraq, Ron Paul, my life, history, politics, religion, philosophy, quantum theory, or whatever else you'd like to know.

I will vote for Ron Paul in Colorado's primary election this February. I hope you will find out when your state primary election is and vote for Ron Paul too. But if you choose to vote for someone else, I will still respect you for choosing to vote… it's more than many Americans do. I just hope that you are prepared to live with the second and third-order effects of your decision.

But please Do Something to help keep Americans free, so that soldiers like me have something worth fighting for.

Thank you for taking the time to read this letter.

In Liberty,

Captain Joe

“Government that is big enough to supply you with everything you need, is big enough to take everything you have.” – Thomas Jefferson

 
And we should believe this is real why? Just sounds like another ridic ron paul campaigne BS.
 
Even if you didn't know that much of Ron Paul's support comes from veterans and active military personel...You somehow choose to believe that out of the 100,000+ serving in the Middle East, that they couldn't find 1 out of the 100,000 who whould endorse Ron Paul, so they had to fake it?

...wtf are you high right now? If you are I forgive you. If you aren't, you should probably donate your organs to someone with a functioning brain.
 
I like the acknowledgement of "second and third-order effects of your decision(s)".

People like to pretend that they don't hold a share of responsibility for these effects.
 
Yea sorta, but really, the US constitution is the solution to alot of these problems, and Ron Paul is the only candidate who sticks by it word for word.

I imagine that you think it is just a "old god damn peice of paper" though right?
 
I literally stopped reading the "letter" when the "soldier" mentioned a Presidential candidate with 17 years in congress.

 
I believe that while it has elements important for true democracy, it, like any historical document, is dated, and translating it too literally would be foolish considering our more modern ways of thinking.

And please, lets leave god out of this.
 
So, when someone becomes President of the US and they swear an oath to abide by the constitution word for word, it really just means that person can instead pick and choose what they will abide by instead?

Seriously dude, Im sorry, but I do not agree with you at all. Go take your globalism BS somewhere else.
 
That's interesting but I still wouldn't vote because in civics we have done reports on each candidate and I didn't agree with some of Ron Paul's perspectives
 
Its a good code to translate from, yes. Taking it word for word is foolish. It needs to be interpreted to fit our culture. And its not just the president that gets to decide this, its the senate and the judicial branch as well. Come on, if you take any text completely literally you'll eventually go wacky. We dont fucking stone people to death if they work on Sundays, do we?
 
You just pull up at the drive though after Sunday service and start lobbing rocks through the window into the kitchen, hahah.
 
To have a good country, you must have a constitution for keeping the government in check. It is not just a free for all. Why dont the leaders write up another constitution then if the other one is so "outdated" like you say? They couldnt do that becaeuse the American people would be outraged. Yes it is 2007, people still interact the same way pretty much. Yes there is more technology, but for the most part, the social aspect of human beings is still the same. The constitution was written with the future of the US in mind, It wasnt just a document to set the rules for that particular day. Im sorry, but you obviously have no respect for the founding fathers of this country. You and I would not be here if it werent for them. Just because they are dead, doesnt mean they dont matter anymore.

Of course we dont stone people over the bible, because it is pretty much just a book of fairy tales.....
 
There are perfectly legit ways to make changes to the constitution. The founding fathers implemented it that way for a reason. The founding fathers were honestly geniuses and had great foresight. If Bush or whoever wants to try and make changes, he is welcome to. Whether or not the American people will agree with them is a different story.
 
This is your 20th thread about Ron Paul. We get the point dude. No offense, but you didn't convert me in the 20 threads you have made about Paul. How are we supposed to believe this is all real? Because some kid posted it in a ski forum means a real soldier from Iraq wrote this?

And also, politics are not everybody's lives on NS you don't need to talk about it every 5 days. I like talking about partying and skiing and girls and fun stuff a whole lot more than politics, and I'm sure a lot of others are the same.

Thank you for bringing in the Paul perspective though. I really do appreciate that you are using free speech to its full intent and are using every bit of it to get people involved in voting.
 
I didnt know what the big deal about this Ron Paul dude was untill I turned on the TV and saw him on the Colbert Report. I now see why everyone loves him
 
The problem you have, threadstarter, is a complete lack of understanding of constitutional theory. More recent constitutional democracies have looked at the US model and attempted to ameliorate its flaws. One of the major flaws with US constitutionalism is its static nature. Look at Canada's Constitution Act of 1982: north of the border, the constitution is a living document subject to ameliorative change. You don't seem to realize that the USA and the world are different places than they were in the late 18th century. Now, what Ron Paul stands for, constitutional protection, is extremely important in a time when it's not altogether clear whether basic fundamental rights (Habeus Corpus) exist. But there is a difference between protecting the underlying democratic and social principles embodied in the American constitution, which may best be served by different policies now than in 1776, and being a rule-worshipping hack who points at language to solve all disputes. Right and wrong for the US, for any nation, hell, for any PERSON, is never as simple as a rulebook. You need to look at the kinds of goals the constitution was aiming at back when it was first written, and think about how those goals can best be attained for people today. Word for word just isn't good enough.
 
A constitution keeps the government in check. The American government was designed with an ingenious set of checks and balances but by disregarding the constitution, we lose all of that.

I personally believe Bush has laid the groundwork for the destruction of American democracy. Bush is not a bad man, he may be a little inept, but I believe everything he has done everything with a belief that it will make America better. Unfortunately if we accidentally elect a closet-megalomaniac a few decades down the road, all he would have to do is call a state of emergency and BAM! Game over America. All this because a few subversions in the constitution.
 
FDR twisted the words of the constitution so much it is unbelievable. and he is considered one of the greatest presidents, look at what he has given our country. so sometimes abiding by the constitution word for word isn't such a great thing...
 
The constituition doesnt even provide for the right to remain silent, that was determined by the US supreme court that the founding fathers would have wanted.

Reading the constitution word for word doesnt make any sense it is such a broad document we would have to pass a new amendment for every tiny thing.
 
you guys might not agree witht the letter, but at least you can appreciate a letter urging people to vote and consider the non immediate consequences of their actions. if more people thought like that, america would be much better off, regardless of who is president.
 
i love political propoganda it is so much fun, when the dust settles john edwards will be the democrat canidate and, and either mcain or guliani will be the republican. all this rederic is just nonsense but oh so much fun
 
sorta. my main problem with the constitution is that there is no real right to privacy. other than that, it may not be able to perfectly answer any question but if we stick to it, we won't end up with as many problems, and we won't sacrifice our freedom/democracy.

"desperate times call for desperate measures." "an honest citizen has nothing to hide." these are the stepping stones to fascism.
 
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION. YOU CANNOT INTERPRET THE CONSTITUION LITERALLY. YOU CANNOT. YOU SUCK AT LIFE. I REPEAT YOU SUCK AT LIFE. READ A FEW FUCKING BOOKS BEFORE YOU TRY TO ARGUE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION PLEASE. KTHXBYE.
 
Seriously though if you know anything about the history of the constitution then you have to realize that you cannot interpret it literally. Read about a few landmark cases i.e wickard ,blaisdell hell fuckin marbury vs madison even.
 
I don't think a citizen respecting the blueprints for the government established by his ancestors is a "rule-worshipping hack"..The constitution isn't like the Old Testament or something, its pretty straight forward when you're not trying to figure out a way to weasle around it.

Whats confusing about the Bill of Rights? If the president thinks something is out-dated he can propose an ammendment and get it fixed legally. The process is meant to protect the people from the whims of a moron like George Bush.

Its amazing to me that you people seem to think the constitution is filled with silly rules that can be "bent" when you feel like it. Maybe thats why Canadians don't have a say in this issue.
 
...Okay, have you actually read the Bill of Rights? Its anything but clearcut. Thats why our supreme court often has to interpret it as they see fit. Nothing is or ever should be set in stone, not with a changing and unstatic culture.
 
WTF is confusing about this? You can read it in about 2 minutes.

Amendment ICongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IIA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIIIExcessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 
Say this with me...

"constitutional amendment"

The founders knew wtf they were doing when they founded our government on this...

"Goddamned Piece of Paper". (-George W. Bush 43rd President of the United States of America)
 
Yeah, it'll be jokes when you get a military boot shoved up your ass for allowing basically any other candidate to win the presidential election too....
 
Ahahaha, so I should let my fear mongering choose my candidate? What are you, afraid of that magical boot that comes in your ass if any other candidate wins? This might be the funniest shit I've read in a while... ahahahaha.
 
No, but if we stay in Iraq to too much longer our forces will become overstretched and weakened (as they are already becoming/are) and there's only two things that can happen then: Pull out and admit defeat or install a draft. What's so silly about that?
 
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