Iraq is getting better

It's apparent you really don't know anything about the country by the way you attempt to explain a rambling of nothing that goes together.

See I'm not flaming you, I'm serious. I really hope you don't have any direct impact of anyone else's knowledge.

You could...Own? me in skiing? Sweet, because you have any judgment of how I ski? Oh and you are now the second biggest claimer on NS.
 
I know but based on what I've learned/read it seems like Saddam did it based on his own agenda.
 
Good. My knowledge doesnt consist of a bunch of politcal bullshit like yours.

Im seriously mad that your mom had you and now you are spewing out propaganda on NS and also being a hipocrite by claiming that this 'war' is legit but you wont enlist in the army. Put your money where your mouth is. Words arent going to solve the worlds problems but actions will.

See, i can use mean words too! That was not a flame btw....
 
Political bullshit? Propaganda? What the hell are you talking about? I'm against the war in Iraq and I don't think it's legit at all. So I have no idea, but you obviously can't understand anything from my posts.
 
BULLSHIT!

When there is no ceasefire to a war and the fighting continues, the war is not over. Bush declared war in 2003, no ceasefire has been called and no sign of the end of chaos.

Stop been hiding behind your nationalistic pride

 
WHAT?????????

Man, seriously, don;t fucking talk about things you don't know. I am not an expert either, but a very good friend of mine is Iraqi, he lived there during the whole war, working with media. Now tell him that the war doesnt exist, after half of his family died of weird chemical shit, after having seen MANY people dying..and I saw his pictures man...

I don't know who said something about joining the army...BULLSHIT!!! Do you know what they do? DO U REALLY KNOW? I guess NOT! Let me tell you...as soon as they had control over the city they opened some sheds full of weapons and let the people take hold of them...that's why they were killing each other. They break into houses looking for suspects but they kill whoever they want to and then threaten the family not to talk with the media...

And guys, its not about having a fukcing degree or being 23, or being 30....just fucking use ur common sense!!! And people that don't give a fuck are the responsible for electing an asshole such as bush..even though, the chances that the foreign policy will dramatically shift are slim...

And yes there was manipulation in the middle east to cause rivalry between Iran and Iraq.

Western countries introduced to Iraq all the chemical weapons and of MD. The two nuclear centers that Iraq had were freaking bombed at the end of the 1980's if im not wrong...

 
I find it interesting that the people that brought the planes into the buildings, and the people strapping bombs to there chest as they wake up in the morning and the people shooting down helicopters were essentially funded by the people that are killing them and there innocent families.
 
You're a fucking douchebag. Your indifference to other people disgusts me. Normal people have sympathy and empathy for other human beings, but apparently, you have none. People are dying over this, everyday, and its our nations sons and daughters as well as theirs. Regaurdless, I'm astounded that you have such indifference for human life.

Fuck yes its our problem, and fuck yes, we as citizens of the responsible country have the power to control whats going on over there. For a college student thats so highly educated (and please tell me how being a good skier gives you political and sociological insight, because I'm probably good enough to have a double major by now if thats true...) you apparently have forgotten the key point that this country exists as a democracy. Its government is only as strong as its voting citizens, and as a non voting citizen ( I assume you are, since you're a douchbag - see first paragraph), you have failed your duty. Which isnt surprising, considering your ignorant and indifference to human suffering.
 
Like it or not, the American population, which you and I are a part of voted George Bush into the white house, regardless of how each of us individually voted. And yes, he went to war, hard to say what would have happened if Gore was president. The facts are, even though I didnt vote for Bush, in either election, I still feel that Iraq is our (the American people's) problem. Presidents shouldnt support and rule for the percentage of the population that put them into power (despite what Mr Bolton would have to say on this...), and likewise, I think it works in the reverse direction. Even though I didnt vote for Bush, he is still my president or my country, and thus, any situation my country involves itself in is also 'my mess'. You cant separate yourself from the country, even if you dont like how its run currently. You just have to vote and support what you think is right.
 
who'd you vote for? who did you attempt to convinve to not vote for bush? did you even try to not mkae it your mess? cause it's just as much as your mess as it is mine, and I'm from canada. We're all in this together.
 
fuck that shit. everyone is their own self. no matter what. I dont care where I live of what government "takes care" of me. I vouch for my own ideals. I am united with other people because of similar though/ideas/ideals and nothing else.
 
and for the record, I would have voted for Gore, and I did vote for Kerry. I have been against the Iraq war since the start. And I dont know if i did ay convincing. you cant really change peoples politics by talking to them about what you beleve. events have to take place for people to change their politics. out of my control, for the msot part. I had disscusions with my friends about politics, and I told them what I though of the situation and why, but thats all you can do.
 
I agree that everyone is their own individual, true. But in matter such as government and society, which allow us to enjoy certain things like, clean water, skiing, not having to be hunter-gatherers.... you have to lose some of your individuality. If we all wrote in our own names as best person to lead, we'd go nowhere.
 
there are cartian leaders with certian policies that I happen to agree with. And I will follow those. But I refuse to take any bit of responsibility for a war I was against all along. I think we can agree with a lot of europe and britian enjoy similar ways of living and so on. But people in Britian make fun of and disslike their leaders more openly. I think most governments could use a good healthy dose of criticism that really tries to stir things up.
 
Oh, by all means, government needs constant criticism and skeptics. If we dont have checks and balances of power, the government beings to rule its people, instead of ruling for the people.

But I have to disagree when you say that its not your problem. It is. Right now, regardless of who started and what caused it, America is in Iraq. Stepping back and saying "Hey, not my problem" is lame as hell, and contributes to the radical polarization thats destroying our country.

You're an American citizen, and its an American problem, regardless of who you voted for.
 
HAHAHAHA! All you dirty libs crack me up. You all seem glad that Iraq is doing bad (which, it's not) lol Stupid dems.
 
Look at you you stupid moron. Laughing when people die, but all you lib hippies want to go to Darfur, right?

Please don't speak about things you are uneducated about ok?
 
Haha, I laugh at death, yes. I find the killing of innocent civilians hilarious.

Man, all you red-necked republicans think war is the only answer. Its pretty easy to generalize, isnt it? Or maybe its just me, since I'm so uneducated that I cant see the connection between the rise in insurgent attacks as a sign that Iraq is getting better.
 
First of all, your retarded generalization automatically takes you out of the running of anythign intelligent to say.

When you say dirty libs (assuming you meant liberals) you are automatically showing us you care to know nothing about the other side and you choose to remain in stone as to what one side thinks. Therefore, you just proved you're one sided. This means you possibly can't be educated on anything that is credible, because it is obviously biased. Also your "stupid dems" comment also displays your utter lack of any open-mindedness, so again you are just as bad as any "stupid dem".

I guess I'll give you a chance to explain yourself, why is the war in Iraq good right now? I mean I see a lot more deaths every week, want to explain that to me?
 
Again, generalizing isn't your strongest point. Most of the people in here speaking against you are saying they don't want war. So you obviously can't understand that concept.

I personally know 4 people who came from the Darfur region and if you don't think something should be done about it, then you obviously don't know the situation there.

I'm not saying we should march into Darfur with guns, because we shouldn't, but the daily killings of people is a very sad situation and should be looked at more by the world.
 
Once again, more proof that we have 'terrorists' in our own country right now.

The Vermont college shooting. Tell me where that is not considered an act of 'terrorism' by the bush administration. But yet we dont care, hell, school shootings are just a way of life now......BULLSHIT....

 
I don't think so, we know little details about Virginia Tech shooting as of the moment and I doubt the Bush Admin. had anything to do with the pointless massacre of 32 students.
 
Ohh, I see, the Bush Administration views that as an act of Terrorism, gotcha. 1 minor flaw, we have no idea what message they're trying to convey by the senseless killings so I can only imagine insanity.
 
Well, I was actually claiming this school shooting as an act of terrorism. Just because it wasnt a foriegn group who pulled the stunt off doesnt mean its not terrorism. But yes, I do agree, fuck forieng issues when we have sooooo much going on here. Believe it or not, the US is a fucking huge country and we have tons of problems everywhere

Heres the defintion of terrorism from wiki.

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other

harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or

persons for political or ideological goals (fear in latin).[1] Most definitions of terrorism

include only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror",

are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a "madman"

attack), and deliberately target "non-combatants".

As a form of unconventional warfare,

terrorism is sometimes used when attempting to force political change

by: convincing a government or population to agree to demands to avoid

future harm or fear of harm, destabilization of an existing government,

motivating a disgruntled population to join an uprising, escalating a

conflict in the hopes of disrupting the status quo, expressing the

severity of a grievance, or drawing attention to a neglected cause.

The terms "terrorism" and "terrorist" (someone who engages in

terrorism) carry a strong negative connotation. These terms are often

used as political labels to condemn violence or threat of violence by

certain actors as immoral, indiscriminate, or unjustified. Those

labeled "terrorists" rarely identify themselves as such, and typically

use other generic terms or terms specific to their situation, such as: separatist, freedom fighter, liberator, revolutionary, vigilante, militant, paramilitary, guerrilla, rebel, jihadi or mujaheddin, or fedayeen, or any similar-meaning word in other languages.

Terrorism has been used by a broad array of political organizations

in furthering their objectives; both right-wing and left-wing political

parties, nationalistic, and religious groups, revolutionaries and ruling governments.[2] The presence of non-state actors in widespread armed conflict has created controversy regarding the application of the laws of war.

An International Roundtable on Constructing Peace, Deconstructing Terror (2004) hosted by Strategic Foresight Group

recommended that a distinction should be made between terrorism and

acts of terror. While acts of terror are criminal acts as per the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373 and domestic jurisprudence

of almost all countries in the world, terrorism refers to a phenomenon

including acts, perpetrators of acts of terror and motives of the

perpetrators. There is a disagreement on definition of terrorism

because some of the motives are considered legitimate by certain

schools of political thought. However, there is an intellectual consensus

globally that acts of terror should not be accepted under any

circumstances. This is reflected in all important conventions including

the United Nations counter terrorism strategy, outcome of the Madrid Conference on terrorism and outcome of the Strategic Foresight Group and ALDE roundtables at the European Parliament.

 
Conceptkid, so did you mean the Virginia Tech shooting or was there some VT state shooting that I missed (even though I live here)?
 
Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political or ideological goals

Until we find out the motive it can't be classified as anything, but I think it'll just be another case of insanity.
 
Va Tech is not an act of terrorism, it was simply a spree shooting done without planning, or so i'm assuming, but from what i know, that is the case...
 
how do you know any of this? The authorities can't even identify the shooter yet, so you have absolutely no idea any details of the motives or planning involved with this.
 
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