Iran vs. USA
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They've denied that they're seeking nuclear weapons over and over
again.
What they have is a civilian nuclear program, which is "Safeguarded"
by the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) under their Safeguards
Agreement.
Any non-nuclear weapons state, such as Iran, which is a member
of Non-Proliferation Treaty, must have a Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA,
which allows the IAEA inspectors to monitor their nuclear facilities and verify
the "non-diversion" – as the IAEA has, in the case of the Iranians, more then a
dozen times over the years, including just late last year – they have "continued
to verify the non-diversion of any nuclear material to a military or other
special purpose," so what they basically saying to you is "we have proved the
negative" we have proved what they have not done, they have not diverted any of
their nuclear material away. ...
No one is accusing the Iranians of
producing plutonium or having any plutonium. They are being accused of enriching
uranium, but they are enriching uranium to a measly 3.6 % industrial grade for
use in their electricity program, and then beginning only a couple of weeks ago,
when... after they accepted Obama's proposal, and he refused to accept their
acceptance of it, they went ahead and began to enrich a very small amount of
this uranium, to 20% uranium-235, which still is a far sight from weapons grade
uranium, and it is to be used in their American-built medical isotope reactor in
Tehran.
However, if you turn it to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX News or any
other of the rest of them – the FOX guys and David Shuster over at the liberal
channel MSNBC, will all agree that there is "scary, dangerous nuclear weapons
threat" from Iran.
And they just figure, you don't know about a
Safeguards Agreement, you don' t know about the Non-Proliferation Treaty, you
don't know the difference between 3.6% and 90% uranium 235 and therefore if
you're afraid of getting nuked in your jammies in the middle of the night,
you'll let them go ahead and have their war. ...
Last September Mark
Hosenball reported in a "web-only exclusive" for Newsweek magazine that the CIA,
and in fact the rest of the intelligence community, including the other 16
American intelligence that we know about, that they all agreed and put paper
work on President Obama's desk – a new report – on his desk saying that they
stand by their conclusion of November 2007 that the Iranians do not have a
nuclear weapons program and they have not made the political decision to start
one.
On February the 15th the director of national intelligence Dennis
Blair and I forget the other gentleman's name, but he's the head of the Defense
Intelligence Agency (DIA), and they both sat there sworn under oath before the
U.S. Imperial Senate and said "We still stand by the conclusion of the unanimous
National Intelligence Council, representatives of all 16 intelligence agencies,
from November of 2007, and that is the Iranians have not made the decision to
begin to make nuclear weapons."
And no, the ability to take a couple of
hundred pounds of uranium enriched to 3.6% 235 and turning that into above 90%,
94% pure U-235 to make a weapon is not the same as flipping a light switch and
taking one day, you're talking still about years and years. Plus you've got to
have the metallurgists machine it into the actual pieces and then you actually
would have to have the... I'm not so certain about the terminology. People
quibble, they do quibble about, "What is a delivery vehicle? What's a
warhead?"
A warhead is the bomb. The delivery is vehicle is what you put
that in. Well, they don't have the delivery vehicles, and they don't have
warheads, so I'm not sure how these things are supposed to hurt any of
us.
It's just nonsense. ...
Another thing I would like to mention,
or try to hit off of something that Mr. Erlich said in his talk there, is that a
war with Iran would be a disaster. That's the way he put it.
The way I
put it is that a war with Iran will mean the deaths of thousands of American
soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan. Four thousand soldiers have died in the Iraq
war in order to install the Iranians' puppets from the Dawa Party and the Mahdi
Army, and the Supreme Islamic Council in power in Baghdad.
And both Abdul
Aziz al-Hakim from the Supreme Islamic Council, who is now dead, but his son is
in charge, and Moqtada al-Sadr, the big king-maker from the election a couple of
weeks ago, have promised that they will go to war with the American occupation,
with the United States.
These are the people who did not fight, these are
the people who gained when America overthrew Saddam Hussein, and have waited
this whole time. And they have said "if you bomb Iran you have to start the war
with us all over again."
Not to mention the fact that our soldiers are
right there within missile range. It's also perfectly within the capability of
the Iranians to close the Straits of Hormuz at the gates of the Persian Gulf,
and drive the cost of oil up over 200 dollars a barrel, which will probably
destroy what's left of the global economy and the division of labor and global
trade. ...
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again.
What they have is a civilian nuclear program, which is "Safeguarded"
by the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) under their Safeguards
Agreement.
Any non-nuclear weapons state, such as Iran, which is a member
of Non-Proliferation Treaty, must have a Safeguards Agreement with the IAEA,
which allows the IAEA inspectors to monitor their nuclear facilities and verify
the "non-diversion" – as the IAEA has, in the case of the Iranians, more then a
dozen times over the years, including just late last year – they have "continued
to verify the non-diversion of any nuclear material to a military or other
special purpose," so what they basically saying to you is "we have proved the
negative" we have proved what they have not done, they have not diverted any of
their nuclear material away. ...
No one is accusing the Iranians of
producing plutonium or having any plutonium. They are being accused of enriching
uranium, but they are enriching uranium to a measly 3.6 % industrial grade for
use in their electricity program, and then beginning only a couple of weeks ago,
when... after they accepted Obama's proposal, and he refused to accept their
acceptance of it, they went ahead and began to enrich a very small amount of
this uranium, to 20% uranium-235, which still is a far sight from weapons grade
uranium, and it is to be used in their American-built medical isotope reactor in
Tehran.
However, if you turn it to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, FOX News or any
other of the rest of them – the FOX guys and David Shuster over at the liberal
channel MSNBC, will all agree that there is "scary, dangerous nuclear weapons
threat" from Iran.
And they just figure, you don't know about a
Safeguards Agreement, you don' t know about the Non-Proliferation Treaty, you
don't know the difference between 3.6% and 90% uranium 235 and therefore if
you're afraid of getting nuked in your jammies in the middle of the night,
you'll let them go ahead and have their war. ...
Last September Mark
Hosenball reported in a "web-only exclusive" for Newsweek magazine that the CIA,
and in fact the rest of the intelligence community, including the other 16
American intelligence that we know about, that they all agreed and put paper
work on President Obama's desk – a new report – on his desk saying that they
stand by their conclusion of November 2007 that the Iranians do not have a
nuclear weapons program and they have not made the political decision to start
one.
On February the 15th the director of national intelligence Dennis
Blair and I forget the other gentleman's name, but he's the head of the Defense
Intelligence Agency (DIA), and they both sat there sworn under oath before the
U.S. Imperial Senate and said "We still stand by the conclusion of the unanimous
National Intelligence Council, representatives of all 16 intelligence agencies,
from November of 2007, and that is the Iranians have not made the decision to
begin to make nuclear weapons."
And no, the ability to take a couple of
hundred pounds of uranium enriched to 3.6% 235 and turning that into above 90%,
94% pure U-235 to make a weapon is not the same as flipping a light switch and
taking one day, you're talking still about years and years. Plus you've got to
have the metallurgists machine it into the actual pieces and then you actually
would have to have the... I'm not so certain about the terminology. People
quibble, they do quibble about, "What is a delivery vehicle? What's a
warhead?"
A warhead is the bomb. The delivery is vehicle is what you put
that in. Well, they don't have the delivery vehicles, and they don't have
warheads, so I'm not sure how these things are supposed to hurt any of
us.
It's just nonsense. ...
Another thing I would like to mention,
or try to hit off of something that Mr. Erlich said in his talk there, is that a
war with Iran would be a disaster. That's the way he put it.
The way I
put it is that a war with Iran will mean the deaths of thousands of American
soldiers in Iraq and Afganistan. Four thousand soldiers have died in the Iraq
war in order to install the Iranians' puppets from the Dawa Party and the Mahdi
Army, and the Supreme Islamic Council in power in Baghdad.
And both Abdul
Aziz al-Hakim from the Supreme Islamic Council, who is now dead, but his son is
in charge, and Moqtada al-Sadr, the big king-maker from the election a couple of
weeks ago, have promised that they will go to war with the American occupation,
with the United States.
These are the people who did not fight, these are
the people who gained when America overthrew Saddam Hussein, and have waited
this whole time. And they have said "if you bomb Iran you have to start the war
with us all over again."
Not to mention the fact that our soldiers are
right there within missile range. It's also perfectly within the capability of
the Iranians to close the Straits of Hormuz at the gates of the Persian Gulf,
and drive the cost of oil up over 200 dollars a barrel, which will probably
destroy what's left of the global economy and the division of labor and global
trade. ...
-Information Clearing house
Dr.Gnar
Member
The USA has made it crystal clear that they will not allow Iran to close the straight, so it will be interesting to see what happens IF they do. Iran is full of shit though. They refused to let the IAEA I side for a peek. And the IAEA said last Thursday that nuclear talks with Iran have officially failed. By no means do I support America jumping the gun. But Iran should know that between the US Navy, Air Force, and Army, they would be severely overpowered. Same as another nation, even China, who has a lot of foot soldiers stuck over there. The USA has incredible strike capability, they can destroy anything they want anything in the world within the hour. Fuck ya America! I don't mind you guys to the South, you're not that different from us, and will always be our friends. We protect each other.
Zimmerman
Active member
my general view on issues like this would be "it's their country, their politics, stay the fuck out." This isn't our issue to be dealing with. Iran has the right to pursue nuclear energy as much as it wants. weapons on the other hand is sketchy but not worth invading over.
we jus fucking get involved in way to much foreign shit that has nothing to do with us
we jus fucking get involved in way to much foreign shit that has nothing to do with us
cobra_commander
Active member
This week's edition of The Economist offers an excellent editorial on the situation that is worth reading.
Davy.Crockett
Active member
murica. fuck yeah.
seriously though, irans missiles wouldn't be able to reach us. we could defeat iran in war no problem, its just that they would probably do something insane like nuke israel before we could stop them, if we truly did go to war.
seriously though, irans missiles wouldn't be able to reach us. we could defeat iran in war no problem, its just that they would probably do something insane like nuke israel before we could stop them, if we truly did go to war.
californiagrown
Active member
no we need to reallocate it so that we pay military personel waaaaay more. currently all the halfway intelligent and athletic people in this country go to college and then the private sector because thats where the money is. the lower ranks of the military is made up of the failures, fuckups, and general castoffs who have few if any other options other than the military.
But seriously, Iran isnt gonna do anything. they know they cant touch the US in a war, and Mossad is balling out with Cointel right now. when the UN sanctions start to catch up to Irans economy, and they havent made significant progress on their weapons program(thanks mossad!!) they will Allow the IAEA in, and cease weaponization. so everyone can sleep well at night.
But seriously, Iran isnt gonna do anything. they know they cant touch the US in a war, and Mossad is balling out with Cointel right now. when the UN sanctions start to catch up to Irans economy, and they havent made significant progress on their weapons program(thanks mossad!!) they will Allow the IAEA in, and cease weaponization. so everyone can sleep well at night.
vauban08
Member
quality post. Thank you!
The situation is pretty straight forward: Iran wants to demonstrate its strenght, all the while knowing very well that it couldn't risk to go to war with Israel. Therefore, the whole nuclear weapons issue will remain a classic "cold war" scenario with it. As long as the US and other countries stay the fuck out of this situation, there will be peace.
The situation is pretty straight forward: Iran wants to demonstrate its strenght, all the while knowing very well that it couldn't risk to go to war with Israel. Therefore, the whole nuclear weapons issue will remain a classic "cold war" scenario with it. As long as the US and other countries stay the fuck out of this situation, there will be peace.
Top_5_Worst_NSer
Member
IRAN FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top_5_Worst_NSer
Member
of course the cunt who doesnt get a joke is from rochester.
Trawltopilot
Member
i love ron paul but i totallly
cobra_commander
Active member
I doubt that Iran is Dumb enough to fight a conventional war against the United States, theyay be dumb enough to allow their emotions to get in the way when it comes to Isreal. For the U.S. however, Iran will relay on covert operations throught their finger organizations. The United States and Iran have been fighting a complicated clandestine war for a while now. Iran is heavily active in SW Afghanistan, and over the past ten years have fought both with and against US interests in the AO. Iran is looking to increase their influence in the rest of Afganistan in preparation for the eventual withdrawal of US forces. Iran wants to play a roll in a country as diverse as Afghanistan which it shares a large boarder with. Both Pakistan and China will be active in Afganistan, and Iran wants to protect the interest of the Persians in Afganistan against large influence from the Uzbek and Pashtun favoring Pakistanis.
Iran is also heavily active in Iraq, in a way that has never fallen in line with the United States.
The idea that Iran is not actively trying to develope nuclear weapons is nothing more than standard liberal pussy 'can't we all get along' thinking. The idea that they show their entire nuclear program to Inernational observers is also indicitive of possessing The average IQ found on the short bus. The idea that you can bomb the Iranian nuclear program out of existance is also unrealistic. The only way to prevent Iran from developing a bomb by force is through an occupation requiring more boots on the ground than NATO can realistically provide in the current political and social environment. I doubt the United States is willing to double the size of its Army and Marine Corps IOT begin a two decade long occupation of Iran.
Iran is also heavily active in Iraq, in a way that has never fallen in line with the United States.
The idea that Iran is not actively trying to develope nuclear weapons is nothing more than standard liberal pussy 'can't we all get along' thinking. The idea that they show their entire nuclear program to Inernational observers is also indicitive of possessing The average IQ found on the short bus. The idea that you can bomb the Iranian nuclear program out of existance is also unrealistic. The only way to prevent Iran from developing a bomb by force is through an occupation requiring more boots on the ground than NATO can realistically provide in the current political and social environment. I doubt the United States is willing to double the size of its Army and Marine Corps IOT begin a two decade long occupation of Iran.
cobra_commander
Active member
Sadam had WMDs, the vast majority of which left the country immedeatly prior to the invasion or furring the initial phases. Some were recently turned up in Libya, many are probably in Jordan, possibly Eygpt as well.
cobra_commander
Active member
ummmm.... duh?
cobra_commander
Active member
They get a lot of angry looks at the UN...
Its not like they would strap the thing to an ICBM and launch it.. They would use one of their manny proxy organizations to bring it into Israel and blow it up, than applaud the work of those freedom fighters dedicated to Islam.
Its not like they would strap the thing to an ICBM and launch it.. They would use one of their manny proxy organizations to bring it into Israel and blow it up, than applaud the work of those freedom fighters dedicated to Islam.
cobra_commander
Active member
It is called covert action you fucking retard.
Iran develops the Nuke. They give it to one of the many proxy organizations run by the MISIRI, who smuggle the bomb, in parts or as a whole, probably the former, into Israel, or the U.S. Once inside the target country, in a location close to the intended ground zero, the bomb is assembled, and delivered, probably by car or truck, to the target site. It is essentially a nuclear VBID. The NVIBD is detonated, and the proxy organization claims responsibility. Iran is just an encouraging spectator, not the instigator. We, and the rest of the world can suspect Iran all we want, but MISIRI is good at not leaving a trail.
Iran develops the Nuke. They give it to one of the many proxy organizations run by the MISIRI, who smuggle the bomb, in parts or as a whole, probably the former, into Israel, or the U.S. Once inside the target country, in a location close to the intended ground zero, the bomb is assembled, and delivered, probably by car or truck, to the target site. It is essentially a nuclear VBID. The NVIBD is detonated, and the proxy organization claims responsibility. Iran is just an encouraging spectator, not the instigator. We, and the rest of the world can suspect Iran all we want, but MISIRI is good at not leaving a trail.
Bill.Nye
Active member
You're getting way way way ahead of yourself. Remember that all the intelligence agencies in the world are keeping a really close watch on Iran, looking for any evidence of them stepping out of line at all, and as of now they are emphatic that not only does Iran not have a weapons program, but they have not even made any move to start one.
mathmansam
Member
Alright, I'm dating a Persian chick and she is super foxy. So i say, we just let things simmer down and persuade the Islamic Republic to let chicks wear less clothing.
harveydowns
Member
Good thread.
If anyone has a spare hour, this is a super interesting documentary on the subject, well worth a watch.http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/i...-3-nuclear-confrontation-video_4ad583716.html
If anybody watches it, let me know what you think.
If anyone has a spare hour, this is a super interesting documentary on the subject, well worth a watch.http://watchdocumentary.com/watch/i...-3-nuclear-confrontation-video_4ad583716.html
If anybody watches it, let me know what you think.
Davy.Crockett
Active member
i know that. what i was saying was that america would not would be directly act risk from iran if they did manage to get such weapons. iran does not pose a very big threat to us, at least militarily. the danger would be to israel, and i think that would be a very real danger. not im not a huge fan of israel, i think spend far too much money on the. however, i don't want them nuked.
cobra_commander
Active member
Don't worry I have already written you off as a complete and utter moron.