my experience with ipods is that they are a pain in the ass to get to connect to windows...why? because they are mac and for some reason they have trouble. other times it will connect fine and nothings wrong, but the zune is sick as shit. the radio is acually good too and i use it a lot, and you can hook it up to the tv with the cables they give you (i think, mine came with them at least) and then you can bang shit out your tv speakers and watch videos on there and shit. but personally i would get the touch, just for the WiFi, but if your not going to get a touch, i would say zune>ipod video . plus when microsoft "surface" comes out you can just set it down on the table and drag songs to it wirelessly which will be the most bad-ass shit ever.