IN DEFENCE OF GAY MARRIGE

Jibtech

Active member
A couple weeks ago, a Massachusetts court ruled that gay marriage is legal in that state, providing new fuel for conservatives who are gearing up to make gay marriage the wedge issue of the presidential election. President Bush has already hinted that a constitutional amendment, for crissakes, may be necessary to stave off this gay threat.

Responding to the Massachusetts ruling, Bush released a statement saying, 'Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. If activist judges insist on re-defining marriage by court order, the only alternative will be the constitutional process. We must do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.'

But before we all go into knee-jerk paroxysms of knee-slapping hilarity over this non-issue being hoisted by these moral morons, consider their side for a minute: Does allowing gays to marry threaten the institution of marriage?

If you really think about it, the answer is an unequivocal yes.

If you’re straight and married, you’ve almost certainly got gay people to thank for it. Wedding planners, florists, clothiers, hairstylists, caterers, priests: it’s no mere stereotype that these professions abound in gay folk, and your wedding would have been drab if not impossible without them. Add to that the gay friends and officemates who make such a pleasant and positive fuss about your nuptials. And TV’s Queer Eye spiff-up squad is only a distillation of what gay people have been doing for ages: making straight men and women look desirable, or at least survivable, to each other so that they might hook up.

If gays were busy getting married themselves, do you think they’d have time to preen the rest of us? We’d all be back in the trailer park in our overalls, picking scabs off our unmoisturized faces and wondering why the phone doesn’t ring. It is only because gays can’t marry that they get caught up at all in the romance and filigree of heterosexual marriage, and they’d be off us like fleas off a wet dog if they could go to weddings that didn’t depend upon our breeder antics. It’s not just marriage, but the very survival of the species that depends upon gays being forcibly kept—by constitutional amendment, if need be—in their role as our eternal best men and bridesmaids.

Now on to the knee-jerk paroxysms: aside from the above, every gay man and woman in the nation could marry five times over, and it would not affect you a whit. Why the hell should you care? If Eskimos marry, does your wedding bed grow cold? If gays marry, does your wife grow a dick? It does not affect you! Remember one of the founding tenets that made America great: mind your own goddamn business. That goes double if you’re the government prying in between the sheets.



I’ve known some gays who are real jerks.There are gay jerks, gay Samaritans, gay plumbers, gay machinists, gay bums, gay war heroes and gay Sept. 11 victims. They get to pay the same taxes, do the same jury duty and die in the same wars (albeit with a sense of service and secrecy that straights needn’t muster) as every other citizen. Why shouldn’t their love and commitment be accorded the same respect and protections in the land to which they contribute and defend?

But gay marriage would make a mockery of marriage! And that’s the job of heterosexuals, right? Can they possibly screw it up worse than straight folks? The divorce rate’s higher than 50 percent, and couples are bailing out of marriages quicker than ever; something like 60 percent of married men and 40 percent of married women have extramarital affairs; and their kids who aren’t busy shooting their classmates are packed with so many pills they sound like maracas when you shake them.

An 86-year-old sleazeball can marry an 18-year-old dominatrix, and that is sanctified. Larry King can marry for the seventh time, and it’s sanctified. Britney Spears can get married and annulled quicker than you can say 'publicity whore,' and it is sanctified. Yet a gay couple that has stuck it out through better and worse for 40 years, being exemplary neighbors and citizens the whole while, pose a threat to marriage? It is legal for them to marry, of course, just not to each other. They could go out this afternoon and marry a total stranger, so long as it’s someone of the opposite sex. That’s the law. What’s left to mock?

But for all of history, marriage has meant the sacred bond between a man and a woman! Except for when it meant a man and several women, or a man and a woman and his deceased brother’s wife, or a man and his slave, which wasn’t significantly different from being his wife since women were chattel with no say in their own lives and certainly no vote. Let’s be guided in all things by historical precedent, shall we? I’ll go lock up the slaves and child laborers while you go get the horse—but don’t hook no buggy to it because that ain’t how we done things—and we’ll go downtown and shout down those apostates trying to introduce antibiotics, electricity, pavement, baseball and all that other newfangled nonsense.

But what about the Bible? Oh, you mean the part where Jesus chased the gays from the temple with a stick? Hold on, I read that wrong: it was the money changers Jesus was after, suggesting that today he’d be whacking heads on Wall Street not Christopher Street. But what about the time he berated the mob of gay people? Oops, sorry, it wasn’t gays; it was a mob of judgmental zealots that he told off, remember, when he admonished that only he who was without sin should cast the first stone.

Unlike the fearmongering preachers spewing bile on the airwaves today, Jesus said a lot about love and acceptance, but he never uttered a single syllable about homosexuality. Ah, but he did give a blanket affirmation of Old Testament law, where a man laying with a man is an abomination punishable by death. But that exists alongside so many other abominations and admonitions that there aren’t enough goats to sacrifice to keep every one of us sinners from being put to death. There are bans on premarital sex, adultery, lust, sleeping with a woman during her period, eating three-day-old meat, eating shellfish and, let’s not forget, 'You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.' Forgot about that one, didn’t you? Ha-ha, you’re going to Hell. So why not take a tip from Jesus and put your own house in order before you go tearing down your neighbor’s?

But what about the children?

What about them? If you’re worried about gay parents molesting their children, bear in mind that most molestations, even same-sex ones, are done by heterosexual adults. And when parents go bonkers and set their kids on fire or starve them in basements, it’s usually because 'God' told them to, not Mr. Blackwell. Sure there are gay monsters, but probably in no greater percentage than there are among straight families. And stable gay couples could adopt some of the unwanted children born to the unfit parents of more sanctified marriages.

But won’t having gay parents cause children to turn gay? Sure, just look at the gay offspring of Dick Cheney, Sonny Bono and Phyllis Schlafly. Gay. Gay. Gay.

But what would gay marriage do to American values?

You may have a point there. Look at Canada, where gay marriage has turned them into such a nation of faggots that they couldn’t even see the clear and imminent danger posed by Iraq. They’ve gone soft loading up on universal medical care and cheap prescription drugs, while we’re left holding the line against Saddam and sodomites alike.

Repeat after me, with gusto this time: 'Gays getting married does not affect me.'

Please keep that in mind in the months ahead because the American Taliban ensconced in the White House will be doing all they can to bang the anti-gay drum, to distract from issues that do affect you, like: your job going bye-bye overseas; your decline in real wages; the health-insurance crisis; the deficit that will hobble your children’s future; the children left behind by No Child Left Behind; the willful dismantling of environmental protections; the subjugation of our energy policy to corporate interests; the unbridled corruption of White House cronies like Enron and Halliburton; the runaway military budget; the abrogation of our civil rights; the lies told to us to fabricate an unnecessary war costing hundreds of American lives and billions of dollars, with no end in sight. You know, issues like those, the kind grown-ups talk about while the kids and feebleminded are out obsessing over their neighbors’ wee-wees.

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
and I fucking double posted.....

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
and fucking spelt defence wrong and half of it was bold... shoot my face off...

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
that was real good. i enjoyed it. thank you jibtech.

...Now I just can't shut you up, shut you up

So now I have to chop you up, chop you up

And I'll just wait till I get caught...

Icecreamsandwich officially = the coolest girl ever. Thank you. - Stryken

 
That was insanely sarcastic. *applause*

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
hehe. sarcastic is great. i love it.

...Now I just can't shut you up, shut you up

So now I have to chop you up, chop you up

And I'll just wait till I get caught...

Icecreamsandwich officially = the coolest girl ever. Thank you. - Stryken

 
I was ready to put up some smartass comment about you spelling defense wrong, but then I read your article. Well said. This 'issue' (and I use that term loosely) should really affect only 10% of the population, but it seems that some of the other 90% are not comfortable enough with their own sexuality to recognize a life-long commitment between two men or women. To me it is comical, but scary at the same time because of the injustices that it could promote.

Hippies - they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

Pabst Blue Ribbon is the greatest beer ever.
 
I also like it when conservatives refer to the 'homosexual agenda' like gay people get together twice a week and plan the demise of marriages in the world. haha

Hippies - they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

Pabst Blue Ribbon is the greatest beer ever.
 
I also like it when conservatives refer to the 'homosexual agenda' like gay people get together twice a week and plan the demise of marriages in the world. haha

Hippies - they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

Pabst Blue Ribbon is the greatest beer ever.
 
I was ready to put up some smartass comment about you spelling defense wrong, but then I read your article. Well said. This 'issue' (and I use that term loosely) should really affect only 10% of the population, but it seems that some of the other 90% are not comfortable enough with their own sexuality to recognize a life-long commitment between two men or women. To me it is comical, but scary at the same time because of the injustices that it could promote.

Hippies - they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

Pabst Blue Ribbon is the greatest beer ever.
 
^ not too sure how that happened

Hippies - they want to save the world, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.

Pabst Blue Ribbon is the greatest beer ever.
 
well put dave, pretty much sums up how I feel.

Why the hell do you care?

Religion is teh ONLY reason people give against homosexuality. Religion is also teh number 1 killer in the history of the world. And the cause of hundreds, if not thousands, of child molestations. Does it seem to anyone else that relgion has gone to far?

For the love of mankind, can people think for themselves? can people stop and realize that being kind to one another, and helping the less fortunate is a nice thing to do? I sure can. I've never spent a day in church or any religions establishment (apart from marriages and funerals I've attended) and yet here I am, with my own conclusions drawn WITHOUT the help of these cults???

now, this may be extreme, but look at teh facts, and I can't see how it's denialbe anymore. Religion has gone to far.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'people just think they're accomplishing something in their lives by fighting 'the man'.. - mh

 
sarcasm.brilliant.

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Your mom rides a snowboard. -LINE
 
WELL, I disagree with all of you. I think gay marriage will drag down our country's morality, and the Bible does speak against homosexuality. That statement was in the New Testament. Most Old testament, Levitical law is now not applicable because of Christ's death and subsequent resurrection. Given, a lot of Levitical law is absurd, and completely hilarious in my view, but those were given to the Jewish people so that they would be set apart from the pagans. The statement about gay marriage being wrong is not Levitical law. Also see that included with homosexuality is murder and adultery. The verse is 1 Corinthians 6:9 (New Testament) and it says 'Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of heaven? DO not be deceived; Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nore adulterers nor male prostitutes NOR HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS' etc. etc. etc. Included also are thieves and the greedy.

This verse clearly spells it out that homosexuality is a sin and anyone who partakes in it will NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Homosexual marriage is an abomination to the sanctity of marriage. Marriage is supposed to be the union of a man and a woman, those are the relationships we are called to. Personally, I support President Bush in his call for a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage. I have infinite more respect for him for standing up for his convictions and beliefs. Even if you do not agree with him, at least respect him for standing up for his beliefs when he is in such a powerful position and knows he will catch a lot of grief for what he does.

That was a little long. I hope it explained some things, or at least allowed me to express my views.

Life is simple: Eat, sleep, ski.

Apparently throwing snowballs at moving vehicles is a felony and can land you in prison for a year. Who knew?
 
^It allowed you to express your views, but it also exposed you as a bigot who places far too much stock in an archaic book. If you can't find some reason to call Homosexuality immoral besides the fact that someone wrote it in a book, your position and views are meaningless, and you're part of the problem.

I've seen a lot of anti-gays and homophobes put up a damn good effort in their own defense, but I've never seen them soundly win any argument about this. And yet, people seem to blindly accept what is, apparently, a MORALLY FLAWED opinion (In that it restricts the freedom of others, harms others directly, and is an epitomic case of the institution of social tyranny).

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
^nicely said

...Now I just can't shut you up, shut you up

So now I have to chop you up, chop you up

And I'll just wait till I get caught...

Icecreamsandwich officially = the coolest girl ever. Thank you. - Stryken

 
Don't get me wrong, J.D., I do NOT hate gay people. I simply disagree and am opposed to their lifestyle. I believe it is sin. If you think expressing truth makes me a bigot and close-minded, I'm sorry you feel that way. There's nothing I can do to change that. But let the record stand, I do not hate gay people. I hate the sin. Homosexuality=sin.

Life is simple: Eat, sleep, ski.

Apparently throwing snowballs at moving vehicles is a felony and can land you in prison for a year. Who knew?
 
And I'm sorry you think the Bible is morally flawed becuase it might, God forbid, restrict a few freedoms that you may think are right, but in the long term will hurt you. Once again, your beliefs are your beliefs, but I believe you are wrong, brother.

Life is simple: Eat, sleep, ski.

Apparently throwing snowballs at moving vehicles is a felony and can land you in prison for a year. Who knew?
 
Uh...2 problems. First, how are you expressing truth in any way, shape or form? Second, how does freedom hurt me in the long run?

Personally, I believe in God, I just take a lot of the bible with a grain of salt, and read it for the broader message rather than the letter of the content. Just for clarification.

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
See the thing is... its not really a sarcastic piece, other than the first part.

When all this is layed out on the table in a clear concise manner, the counter argument is so ridiculously weak that everything just seems sarcastic. I only hope in 10 years, 20 years or however long it takes (hopfuly less), that people will look back at this (the same way we look back on our treatment of blacks, or women) and say, WOW what a bunch of ignorant fools we were.

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
^^guess what, islamic-fundementalists think its right to kill people because their scriptures tell them so. i think youll agree that is horribly wrong. hmmm, could the bible indeed be wrong?

 
HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY DRAG DOWN OUR COUNTRIES MORALITY LEVEL ANY LOWER?!

Gay people have sex every day, there are gay people having sex as I type this. Does letting them marry further decrease America's Morailty level? If you are gonna ban homosexual marrige, you might as well ban homosexuality.

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
PS if you had read my original post you would have seen that THERE IS NO MORE SANCTITY IN MARRIAGE. There probably never was in the first place.

so your argument is NULL AND VOID.

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
^Considering he said in the counterpart to this thread that he's a proponent of theocracy, he's promoting exactly that: Homosexuality as illegal. Annnnnnnnnd we're back 100 years.

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
PPS: we should also never let another practicing BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN be our leader, thats the Christian equivilant of letting Osama Bin Landen be our president.

So many of our governments top possitions have been filled by quasi religious fanatics, John Ashcroft for example, was diusgusted by the famous Scales of Justice statue (nude statue at the FBI building) so he ordered the statues 'robed' Custom robes were made for the statue at a cost of around 30,000 dollars.

Totally bitchin use of my tax dollars you religious nut nut job.

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Smokey, this is bowling, not Nam. There are Rules.

 
All I can say is, thank the almighty that Michelangelo's David isn't standing in front of a government building. I can see the crime against the arts already...

Did it ever occur to him, maybe, that there are an absurd amount of nudes in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome? You know, THAT PLACE WHERE THE FUCKIG POPE SITS? I've been there, it's astounding, and i honestly believe nobody has ever been retarded enough to protest because of the nudity.

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
well written jibtech. I guess this must be the topic of the week. But anyway I don't think religion should be used as the only reason gay marriage is wrong. I think christianity is far more disgusting then any gays could possible be. Thats one issue i havn't talked about yet but don't even want to go into as it just frusterates me; religion.

You Don't Realize What You Have Untill It's Taken Away.
 
I noticed that about your arguments yesterday, aoe. An aspiritual view is really the most effective angle from which to attack homosexual marriage; skiinstead has been the only person able to come up with something completely incontrovertible from my perspective when he dealt with legality (I'd have to be a relativist to disagree with him), although his statements, though correct, are correct only in contemporary application and not in theory (laws can be wrong/changed). Still, it's an effective argument.

Nickskiier, that's a useful link, because the passage Oakley referred to above is mentioned almost immediately. I copied that part:

''In 1 COR 6:9-11, Paul gave a list of those who would not

inherit the Kingdom of God. That list included the

immoral, idolaters, adulterers, sexual perverts, thieves,

the greedy, drunkards, revilers, and robbers. Sexual

perverts is a translation of two words; it is possible

that the juxtaposition of _malakos_, the soft, effeminate

word, with _arsenokoitus_, or male prostitute, was meant

to refer to the passive and active males in a homosexual

liaison.

Thus, it appears that Paul would not approve of

homosexual behaviour. But was Paul's opinion about

homosexuality accurate, or was it limited by the lack

of scientific knowledge in his day and infected by

prejudice born of ignorance? An examination of some of

Paul's other assumptions and conclusions will help answer

this question. Who today would share Paul's anti-Semitic

attitude, his belief that the authority of the state was

not to be challenged, or that all women ought to be

veiled? In these attitudes Paul's thinking has been

challenged and transcended even by the church! Is

Paul's commentary on homosexuality more absolute than

some of his other antiquated, culturally conditioned

ideas?''

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
^ in order to get to the bottom of it you really need to get rid of most opinion and work from the facts. I will never use religion in any of my arguements simply because I am not at all a religious person and will never pretend to be. You're right in that it is more concrete to approach it from a legal point then arguing it is 'morally wrong' according to the church. But i still who makes up laws... so to be free from all bias (which probably wont happen anyway) you can't really bring the laws into play either. If thats what you were refering to. maybe not?

You Don't Realize What You Have Untill It's Taken Away.
 
I post teh challenge... what is bad about homosexuality other then it 'speaks against it' in the bible? if you can give me a good reason, I will admit you are right, and be enlightened. I want to see if I'm missing something here.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'people just think they're accomplishing something in their lives by fighting 'the man'.. - mh

 
^ isn't that what has been argued for the past week on here?

You Don't Realize What You Have Untill It's Taken Away.
 
I was just saying that almost everyone would agree that it's wrong to break the law. That is, it's bad for society. I won't ever argue that it's ok in certain cases, because I'm not a relativist (for the simple reason that relativism is logically idiotic). So, either it's right to obey the law, or it isn't, and I'd like to think that it is.

But the whole thing raises a question I haven't been able to answer: If homosexual marriages are against the law, and breaking the law is ethically wrong, then it's fairly straightforward; homosexual marriage is wrong. But if the law were changed, then it could be consistent to say that breaking the law is wrong, but homosexual marriages are ok. And we're back to being relativists. I don't know what to do about that except reject the law as an authority, which Isn't something I'm inclined towards.

I suppose it'll have to remain inexplicable, and we can go on with the laws as they are.

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
I don't read all the threads, excuse me for not having as much free time as you.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'people just think they're accomplishing something in their lives by fighting 'the man'.. - mh

 
but why is it illegal in the first place? because of this tradition of marriage crap? you already made a great argument against that. so ya, why is it illegal?

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'people just think they're accomplishing something in their lives by fighting 'the man'.. - mh

 
^Basically, I'm saying that noone should be able to break the law, but that the law should be changed, because there's a moral contradiction going on (whereby the law is controlling what it shouldn't control).

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

On San Francisco: ''that was like the starting place of gayness and aids in the eighties.'' -Tandan83

''I've learned to give some canadians an intellectual buffer'' -SUpilot

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

On Bling Skis: ''Anyone know anything about this company? do they have a website?'' -makr0

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot
 
alright, it took me a little to see what you were gettign at, but I get it now.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'people just think they're accomplishing something in their lives by fighting 'the man'.. - mh

 
basically if the people making the law have a biased view (in the case of bush, influenced by religion) then the law will be wrong. Like JD said sometimes it may be write and sometimes it may be wrong to break the law, sometimes there just in moral conflict.

You Don't Realize What You Have Untill It's Taken Away.
 
anyone seen 'not another teen movie?' i think now would be an appropriate time to start a slow clap for jibtech.....i was expecting that to be a quoted article, but you actually wrote it yourself.....best piece of literature i've read in a while, and i read a lot of playboy

-Strode

Abba Zabba, you my only friend
 
i think homosexuality is revolting, but i do have to agree with your article. it could not possibly lower the sanctity of marriage because it simply cannot be lowered any more.

publicenemy270: matty i love you

matty jeronimo: haha

matty jeronimo: thanks

publicenemy270: non homosexually

matty jeronimo: of course
 
1260ProRider you are covering up some ting most likely that u ur self are gay but have keep it bottled up for years

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id like to commend dave on an excellent post. that, along with the posts that have followed logically defeat any arguements posed against them.

we spend a lot of time debating all sorts of ethical and moral problems, but to me this seems like a non-issue.

wow good observation! You are officaily the new ns genious. You can pick up your award after I shove it up your ass. - Phrosty

 
if people say gay marriage is a sin, that gives us no reason to make it illegal. Church and state are ideally seperate in this country, and we should not make laws based on the scripture of the bible

i slept with your mom last night
 
Melvs, I 100% agree with you.

|Carl F-G|



Accept no one's defitnition of your life: Define your self. Never be bullied into silence. Never allow yourself to be made a victim.

- Terrible One
 
y should people not be able to make descisions for themselves, if they really wanna get married y hold them back its their decision not the courts or the churches

 
wow, sarcastic yet meaningful, i like it. It makes a ton of sense. There have been alot of great points made on here by people, yet i havent really seen one convincing one opposing gay marriages, all they talk about is the bible and religion, and yet, if someone wants to be gay and go to hell, well, then let them, it doesnt mean you will does it? Although the point about against the law makes the most sense i have seen, it still doesnt make gay marriages wrong. There are tons of wierd laws out there, some made by biased or influenced people, which still doesnt make them right.

*live 4 life*

~Shelby~
 
First off, I cant believe that there hasnt been the signature 'this is gay' post on here yet, but on a serious note I think that both sides have equally important points. I am of the belief that homosexuality is wrong and therefore I do not practice in it. Thats it. I also do believe that marraige is something that is taken way to lightly in this society, especially when you have so many single mothers sruggling just to feed their kids. Marriage is something that should be a real, true, and beautiful bond between two people, man and wife. For that reason, I do not believe that gay marriage is correct. On the flip side, I am concerned when I see so many people being so rejecting and discriminative towards gays on this subject and even go out on the limb to say that this entire country will be ruined due to thier actions. It simply isnt so. If you use the religion card, you also need to take the example of Jesus Christ as well. Do you think that he would treat anyone with disgust or reject anyone just because of their actions? I dare say no. You cant just use the parts of religion that are convenient for you to use and then just forget about the rest. You need to take all of it into consideration. So it all ultimatly ends up as this, you need to decide for yourself and only for yourself. You dont need to force your decisions on other people who dont necesarily share your same views. Be comfortable with yourself to hold to your beliefs, but at the same time accept people for who they are and leave it at that.

 
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