IMPORTANT NEWS - Jury gives $14 million to skier paralyzed at Snoqualmie

if your gunna go off a jump you have to keep in mind you can get hurt you cant expect to go of a 60 ft booter case the landing and think your gunna be fine
 
Have you ever been in a terrain park?! People get hurt on jumps EVERY DAY!!! To have 14 people get injured on ajump, and only 8 get taken down in a sled, that's pretty average if you ask me. At the jumps at vail, we probably had 10 people taken off one jump in two months. The jump was absolutley fine, it was the gapers hitting it-that's the real problem! There is nothing abnormal about people getting injured on a jump, it happens. It's called learning from your mistakes.
 
To the people saying that we would all sue if it happened, maybe, but there's no way that we should WIN the case!

Liability is included in your ticket...
 
if it was the park crew that built the jump shitty then its the ski areas fault, if the huy was an idiot and overshot the jump then he should be responsible for his own actions
 
i agree. that kid should have been a little bit smarter. but if that many people were getting fucked up they should have taken it down. and some one DIED on another jump! obviously the people building the jumps there dont know what they're doing!
 
I believe it was Kenny Salvini`s fault that he was hitting jumps at snoqualmie meant to throw you about 10 or so feet in the air at extreme speeds and landing 37 feet to flat, I mean now a days ski areas are so into safety i have to take my backpack off every single ride on the ski lift. If he would have speed checked the jump and watched others go off it and not worry about going big he would be fine and snoqualmie would not be liable for such huge amounts of money. Now that Kenny Salvini did this snoqualmie will propaly transform its parks into little kiddie features and they will lose a lot of support from people who ski or board speciffalily for central park who will just drive the extra 30 minutes and pay more to ski at stevens.
 
Nothings going to change other than park builders are going to have to sign, gate, and patrol the parks entrance better, you'll see more presence of a 'park patrol', and the trend has, and will continue for the builders to build 'fun, ridable' terrain, instead of huge, 1% can ride sort of things. This guy had hit the jump before, with no problem, and just hit it too fast that time. His fault.
 
i could see some good coming out of this. resorts might design their jumps better and take better care of them, and maybe a lot more will start requiring park passes which will greatly cut down on crowds in the park. even though that would all be great its still the skiers fault he got hurt. i never hit a jump without checking the landing first and you have to be responsible for the risks involved in skiing-it says so in the lift ticket.
 
People in this country need to take responsibility fo their actions. Hello its skiing. Its a dangerous sport. People know that when they do it.

It has become far to easy for people to sue in this country
 
this is almost as rediculous as the one dude who sued the nice Korean couple at his drycleaners for 45 MILLION cuz they lost a pair of his pants....Good thing is hes never gonna win the case, fucking idiots
 
not that the example has anything to do with personal responsibility.....Americans just feel the need to sue over everything

 
Holy crap that's hilarious... but I can't believe the plaintiff is even serious. Being a judge It seems like he is trying to make a point by doing this. And the point is, you really can sue for ANYTHING in this country.

As for the quadrapalegic that sued snoqualmie... FUCK OFF AND DIE CRIPPY BOY!
 
You really need to dig deeper before you come to a conclusion like that. The guy that broke his back was an idiot hucker that was trying a backflip with no backflip experience (even on a trampoline) And the kid that died dropped into a jump from approximately 300 vertical feet higher than was needed to land in the sweet spot, he also had no shirt on, and was on drugs.

sooo yea, basically there's just a lot of stupid people that ride at snoqualmie. Thank god they can't reproduce now
 
does it say like ski at your own risk on liek the back of your lift ticket u buy and pass and like isnt there signs everywhere sayin ski at your own risk???
 
Apparently it seems that "By using this ticket you agree to hold ski areas at no liability" means you can sue ski areas for stupid shit you do.

As I said, there is a certain amount of responsibility a business has with its customers. Ski areas close when conditions are downright nasty. They mark cliffs and warn people of icy conditions. But the terrain park is an inherently dangerous place. If someone didnt expect to get huge air off a roller a cat accidentally built, thats one thing, but this guy went off a jump intentionally. All jumps have an inherent risk if you misjudge them, and thats what this guy did. It sucks, it really does, and I feel sorry for him and his family, but you cant blame the ski area for something he should have assessed the risk and pre-cautious that the ski area warned him of (terrain park signs...) and still decided to do. Its a ridiculous ruling, and while I wish the guy all the best and feel sorry for how much money his life will take, its not the ski area's fault.

People in this country either need to take more responsibility or realize that sometimes bad shit can just happen for no reason and without fault.
 
will all snoqualmie locals who were skiing the park in '04 when this went down please offer whatever you may know to the resort for thier appeal. did you hit the jump in question? know someone who did? did you see salvini or anyone else who may have been injured skiing recklessly? someone out there who actually saw some of the events cited by salvini's lawyer needs to step up and refute his allegations. how about, 'yup, i hit that jump every day all season with no problems' for some testimony. that asshole lawyer, connelly, doesn't know shit about park skiing, but we do. please, if you have any info, contact the summit. help out your local hill and all of our local hills while you're at it.
 
Wouldn't you if it was an easy means to money? I'm not justifying his actions, I'm simply pointing out that people are weak and morality is lost in western consumerist society.

The real problem is liberal judges. More and more nonsense cases are seeing the light of day in the American judicial system because judges have become bleeding hearts instead of arbiters.

You wanna fix the American law process, here's how we do it:

1)Make the prosecuting party pay the defense's expenses in the case of a loss. Thus, if the prosecution's case is illegitimate and just fishing for some free dough, the loss of the case causes the social leach to bear the burden for the entire trial.

2)Shine some light on the bullshit judges are allowing to get to trial. The media always complains about the congestion within our legal system but never cites a reason for the problem. The issue is not only volume of shit cases, but volume of shit cases judges let through. Lets get some judges with backbones in the Honor seat, instead of these wimps who feel like playing Robbin Hood.
 
So what exactly do you consider the "western consumerist society", and how is a consumer culture linked to morality? So you're saying the Eastern, communist country of China is the pillar of morality? Sounds to me your average hippie statement that doesn't really have much meaning.

Firstly, I know nothing about you, but I'm willing to bet everything I own that you are not qualified to revamp the American legal system. For starters, only criminal cases have prosecutors, and in all cases they represent the government. Assuming you meant the plaintiff, it would be horrible if losing your case meant you had to "bear the burden of for the entire trial". If that was the case, when regular citizens have a legitimate case against some huge corporation with deep pockets and armies of lawyers, they most likely would never bother suing because they know the deck is stacked against them from the start.

The only effect of your proposal is it would put even MORE power in the hands of the rich in the legal system. Try again.

As for this case, from everything I've read it sounds like Snoqualmie could have made a better case. Although I think this kind of thing happens in many cases where the parties are arguing over "specialized/technical" issues. Things that may be obvious to the average reader of this site are not so obvious to the lawyers, judges, and members of the jury who aren't experienced terrain park users. They are left having to make their decisions based on the testimony of "experts", and I think even more so here than with DNA evidence or something else, who is an "expert" or not is not very clear cut.
 
Unless you guys could convince snoqualmie to appeal, I don't think it makes a difference...sounds like the case has been decided. But if you locals know people, or could write letters/emails and convince them to try again, more power to you.

I'd really find it interesting to see a video of the trial (not that that'd ever happen). I'm curious what arguments were made/witnesses were called, etc.

I'm no lawyer, but I know I can think of a million questions I'd want to ask/arguments I'd make (and I'm sure a lot of the people in this thread could). What experience did this kid have with jumping/freestlye, how high up did he start, what did he base that on? Did he ever have skiing lessons of any kind? For the engineer/physics prof they called - what jump building experience did he have. Has he personally been to any/many mountains to observe this kind of stuff up close? If the "perfect" jump of the same approximate size was constructed...how would it have helped the situation where a person hit the jump with way too much speed for it?

On the last point - hell, Mt. Snow used to put a flat rail right above the headwall that dropped into their big kicker in Inferno, to make it easier to spin off. If someone bombed half of inferno and hit the rail kicker, they could easily half backflip and fuck themselves up bad. Is THAT the mountains fault?

How the hell did that kid win?
 
thats should be a lesson to all terrain parks. the resort should of bothered with who is making there jumps and if they no what there doing. making a short and flat landing is the worst thing you can possibly do. i believe that it is the resorts fault 100% if that was acctually how the landing was shaped.
 
"Contrary to what they might think, this verdict won't raise the prices of their tickets or shut down their terrain parks, but revolutionize the way they are built to ensure that no matter how big or small either a novice skier or an expert rider with 20 years experience such as myself goes off these jumps, injuries from overshooting their landings will be completely avoided."

that's about a square mile of male bovine excrement right there.

"completely avoided" is the funniest part. i'd like to see the physics behind that premise. and anyone who's skied for "20 years" should have known better.

but at least he admitted to being more than half at fault i guess that's a start.
 
haha how bout instead if your a novice skier..... dont hit the fucking jumps dumbass. theres a mini park for a reason.
 
WOW!!!! this is big I didn't even know about this and snoqualmie and the central park is my home mountain, where I started my freestyle ski 06/07 season. I didnt know about this, its kinda scary thinking about it.
 
I believe it was Scott Schmidt who said that anyone who sues a ski resort for getting hurt should be shot.

While it is important for the resort to make jumps as safe as possible, the skier has to be ultimately responsible for his/her actions. Any jump is 'unsafe' from the point of view that you're intentionally bombing down a hill to be launched into the air and land on a solid surface. The dangerousness increases with harder snow conditions, bigger jumps, wind, skier's ability, etc. The skier has to decide for himself if a jump is safe for him to hit at that time and accept the conciquences if he gets hurt.

This lawsuit gives resort managers' (like mine) more excuses for not having big parks. They won't build big jumps because assholes like this won't accept responsibility for their actions.

This is as ridiculous as people suing McDonald's because they're fat.

Correct me if I've misquoted.
 
I think that with injuries like this one, there should be a separate kind of thing outside of lawsuits to deal with them. Like, lets say it was you, on a fluke, just got wrecked in the park and your neck was broken and you're paralized. Well, if you're not super rich, and if you didn't have insurance, with the heli ride to the hospital/surgeries/etc. Like, you're completely bankrupt before you even get out of the hospital, and that would really suck. The guy probly just had no way to pay for his medical expenses, which by the time he dies will probly be more than 14 million bucks. I mean I'm not saying its snoqualmies fault, I hit those jumps all year, they were fine. But this guy is fucked, and snoqualmie is rich. I'm not saying it was right, but I can see why stuff like this happens. There have been more ridiculous lawsuits in history, I think.
 
I disagree. If you actually look at the top resorts, they spnd time crafting their jumps for safety.

It sounds like this place just pushed some snow together. It's something we deal with allot on the East Coast.

It is partially the skiers fault as well for hitting such a jump, but the insurance agencies for the mountains have some pretty strict guidelines for how things can be built.
 
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