I’m so tempted

Yeah I get it 4/20 lol but the design work is objectively shit. You could make a joint top sheet that looks like it took more than 5 minutes to make
 
14531155:switchlip2 said:
Much rather would pay a lil extra for a ski that’ll actually last
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L take, J makes some dumb durable skis it's why they're so damn heavy, i've skied a pair for 5 years
 
14531181:gravel said:
L take, J makes some dumb durable skis it's why they're so damn heavy, i've skied a pair for 5 years
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They’re heavy because of the use of maple, not because they’re more durable
 
14531187:Icant_kfed said:
Speak for yourself my j’s are absolute tanks
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From a materials perspective, ON3P and J skis are actually built pretty similarly. They both tend to use 1.8mm bases, full p-tex sidewalls, huge edges, aka the stuff that usually helps it last longer
 
14531198:animator said:
They’re heavy because of the use of maple, not because they’re more durable
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I wouldn't say that's entirely true. 1.8mm base and associated thick edges (like J uses) can add 100-300g/ski. Although maple is definitely part of it
 
14531262:IsaacNW82 said:
From a materials perspective, ON3P and J skis are actually built pretty similarly. They both tend to use 1.8mm bases, full p-tex sidewalls, huge edges, aka the stuff that usually helps it last longer
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ON3P uses 2.5mm edges on everything other than their touring skis. Also basically everything they use to make skis in the factory is proprietary and totally custom. So by nature, there's no other ski built like them in the world. You can take that for better or for worse but as a small ski manufacturer that's just kind of par for the course.
 
14531264:Schoess said:
ON3P uses 2.5mm edges on everything other than their touring skis. Also basically everything they use to make skis in the factory is proprietary and totally custom. So by nature, there's no other ski built like them in the world. You can take that for better or for worse but as a small ski manufacturer that's just kind of par for the course.
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Doesn’t armada use 2.5s as well?
 
14531264:Schoess said:
ON3P uses 2.5mm edges on everything other than their touring skis. Also basically everything they use to make skis in the factory is proprietary and totally custom. So by nature, there's no other ski built like them in the world. You can take that for better or for worse but as a small ski manufacturer that's just kind of par for the course.
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And J exclusively uses a 2.5 x 2.2mm edge. What inherently makes ON3P's factory so different than, say, Moment or Utopie?

This isn't a knock on ON3P at all, I'm saying when you dig into how they are built, J and ON3P are similar in that they almost exclusively use the thickest, burliest materials available, and they are the only two companies I know of that do that
 
14531269:Icant_kfed said:
Doesn’t armada use 2.5s as well?
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On some skis I believe they do, or did at least. Every ski company should say how thick their edges are if you read about the ski on the website. 2.5 is the thickest available from any supplier from my understanding
 
Different materials, different edge tempering process, different shop processes (meaning workflow, how they get cooked, glued and on and on), different guys with different hands man. Making good skis is really complex and there are SOOOOO many decisions that are made at every step of the process. On paper 2 skis might look somewhat similar but I don't think that tells the whole story. They'll still feel very different (j to ON3P specifically) when you go to ski them. I'm not saying better or worse, just different. I personally prefer ON3P to any other ski but the point here is more about how skis made by small companies generally are not using standardized equipment in any way, have their own recipes, etc. That makes them each unique and in my opinion more interesting.

14531270:IsaacNW82 said:
And J exclusively uses a 2.5 x 2.2mm edge. What inherently makes ON3P's factory so different than, say, Moment or Utopie?

This isn't a knock on ON3P at all, I'm saying when you dig into how they are built, J and ON3P are similar in that they almost exclusively use the thickest, burliest materials available, and they are the only two companies I know of that do that
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14531277:Schoess said:
Different materials, different edge tempering process, different shop processes (meaning workflow, how they get cooked, glued and on and on), different guys with different hands man. Making good skis is really complex and there are SOOOOO many decisions that are made at every step of the process. On paper 2 skis might look somewhat similar but I don't think that tells the whole story. They'll still feel very different (j to ON3P specifically) when you go to ski them. I'm not saying better or worse, just different. I personally prefer ON3P to any other ski but the point here is more about how skis made by small companies generally are not using standardized equipment in any way, have their own recipes, etc. That makes them each unique and in my opinion more interesting.
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Utopie isn't some huge mega-factory, they're a pretty small OEM in Quebec, and from what I can see both them and ON3P build skis using the fairly standard wet-layup/hand finishing process. Ofc every builder will do all the details differently, but what I meant is is there anything that ON3P does that is significantly different than the norm? Not saying a hard no, I just don't know of it if they do it, and lots of ski materials actually have a pretty small amount of options. An example of someone who does this is Stockli, who doesn't build with epoxy, they use their own secret bonding process, developed with Lucerne University and leaked online much to the dismay of the Stockli rep who angrily confirmed it.

Anyways, yea I agree ON3P and J are different and they'll ski different, but I think they both deserve props for insisting on using thick edges, thick bases, and p-tex sidewalls
 
14531275:Schoess said:
On some skis I believe they do, or did at least. Every ski company should say how thick their edges are if you read about the ski on the website. 2.5 is the thickest available from any supplier from my understanding
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This is what CDW offers:

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FWIW ON3P uses the largest edge here (2.5x2.5) and J the second largest (2.5x2.2), albeit the 2.5x2.2 has a larger anchor. Armada using a 2.5mm edge doesn't really narrow it down as much as it would first seem
 
14531138:Session said:
You spelled "weaker" wrong.
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I think he meant to say "cheap weed". But really for all these topsheets, did they all go out and buy the cheapest 1/8th available?
 
wow I was a pothead for a shameful amount of my life but you wouldn't catch me dead skiing those
 
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