how the hell is a stock Independent front suspension Jeep good offroad? I lost my respect for Jeep when the liberty was introduced. No offense to anyone. Just after jeep has made such capable vehicles for years solid axles, I6 or v8's, then they come out with a v6, IFS mall cruiser, I just get pissed. But I guess they are just a smart company, they make products that 95% of their customers like not the 5% that actually take them offroad. sorry for the rant, the only new Jeep I would buy now would be a rubicon.