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S.J.W
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13662585:Campeador said:
At least there are some real Finns left.
Yeah because when your leader of your group has a criminal record and a history of racially motivated assaults as well as sympathizing with nazis, that makes you real right? Or have you not forgotten how Germany killed just under 12 million people??? It's astonishing how afraid of muslims you are, but you will gladly support a group that sympathises with Nazis and has a history of racially motivated assaults.
act.resist
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13662496:FunkySane said:
no doubt im at least going to study abroad in one of the nordic countries for sure if trump wins
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13662982:Nikolaus said:
They're doing more to stand up for Finland than anyone else. While I find their particular ideology distasteful, I support their actions if it means preventing an islamic invasion.
A nationalist "hell" sounds a whole lot better than a Muslim one. I'll never be worried about these "dangerous" nationalists trying to blow up a metro line I'm on, like those muslim fuckers tried already in 2005.
Out of curiosity, how many thousands of muslim rapes and murders do you find to be an acceptable level to achieve your goal of "multiculturalism"?
It's interesting to see how deep the leftist brainwashing goes among pussified European men who don't even have the balls to stand up for their own nation, culture, and people. You cowards are offering up your children and women as sacrificial lambs to the muslim horde.
Campeador
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13662959:Abu-Baghdadi said:
And furthermore, how many people did Soviet Socialism murder?
Yet I'm sure you have no qualms with the folks that fly Soviet flags, and wear Che Guevara apparel at Sanders rallies. I mean, there is ample proof that Sanders himself is fan of Guevara, so it is only natural.
Clearly you have no issues with those who sympathize with mass murderers, so your pearl-clutching is laughable.
13663129:Campeador said:
At this point I'm debating wether you're a troll or not. Although there are a semi-large number of muslims coming into europe, most are not young men and calling it an invasion is ludicrous. They are refugees escaping terrorism, war, and death. The vast majority do not want europe to bow to their whim and change their culture but instead want to be allowed to stay. You make it sound like every Muslim is a terrorist, when in reality only a minuscule fraction of a fraction are. Native populations in europe severely outnumber those of muslim refugees. they're fleeing the very people you think they are. Nationalism is just a code word for racism. My goal is not "multiculturalism." It is kindness and rationality. It is common sense and logic. The amount of rapes is significantly over reported due to 1. (I think) sweden having a very broad definition of rape and 2. lies and fake news. what you should be worried about are crazy nationalist groups going around beating up refugee WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Its interesting and scary to see how deep the rightwing brainwashing goes among ignorant and stupid people who don't have the brains to realize they're retarded. You're last little paragraph is nothing more than false, racist, emotional appeal. You are pathetic.
S.J.W
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13663142:Campeador said:
displacement? Hahahah, surely you guys have to come up with some new rhetoric by now. You've been spitting the same bullshit for nearly a hundred years now. First the Irish and blah blah blah.
There are 38 million displaced people in the world. And none of that 38 million, not one European is on that list. You are not going to be displaced because you have to have a muslim neighbour.
And nazi guilt? It's not fucking guilt, they're literally wearing swastikas and believe in Hitler..
And as for Bernie Sanders democratic socialism =/= socialism. Denmark, Finland, etc,etc are al democratic socialist nations that haven't killed millions of people. How the fuck can you not get that? I get that if you don't like muslims, I don't agree with it, but I can see where you're coming from. I get that you don't like immigrants, I get that you don't like anyone who disagrees with your fetish world view of neo conservatism. But what I don't get is how you can be so stupid to still think democratic socialism is the same thing as socialism. The government is not going to be running the market, they will simply control what the free market can not. I.E schools, military and health, along with police, roads, etc,etc. You get it? You want Trump to build a wall. THAT'S DEMOCRATIC FUCKING SOCIALISM AT WORK. TRUMP BUILDING A WALL IS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM.
Campeador
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13663187:Abu-Baghdadi said:
You may want to get some animal protein, all that estrogen-heavy soy protein is making your brain soft (among other things).
I'm talking about demographic replacement, which is the shift occurring in Europe. The population is aging, meanwhile Europe's fantastic social welfare model is financing large muslim families on the taxpayer dime. The demographic shifts among the younger generations are very concerning, and point to a large-scale replacement of the native populations in of favor 3rd world muslims. And that was before the mass influx of additional "refugees".
And yes I know you obsess over the difference between democratic socialism and socialism, but I can assure you that Bernie does not. The guy has had a life-long documented infatuation with Soviet-style socialism, and so do many of his supporters.
And for the record, what you socialist twits never seem to understand is that not everything the government does falls under the umbrella of "socialism". Governments have legitimate functions (public security, enforcement of laws, national defense) that go back all the way to the ancient Sumerians. To call the legitimate functions of government "socialism" is a convenient lie.
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13663163:Nikolaus said:
Christ, you are fucking stupid, unforgivably stupid. I'm not even sure SJW would be capable of typing out something this dumb without blushing.
Muslims who support Sharia adhere to the same evil ideology that motivates Muslim terrorists, and they are not a small minority, over 50% of Muslims want Sharia law:
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13663150:Campeador said:
The Soviet Union (or any other "communist" regime that has ever existed) was never aligned or run in accordance with Marx's principles. Marx was a humanist and wrote everything he did so that all people could live their lives to the fullest and maximize their happiness. The end goal of his political theory is the abolishment of the state and people run their "government" through direct democracy through their free will. The Soviet Union, China, etc. are the exact antithesis of Marxist ideology. They were/are simply power hungry regimes that use their people as tools for the gains of the few in power. That is not Marxism, that is not communism. That is fascism and totalitarianism.
13663209:Campeador said:
Or that just means that at the core of every government is a necessary link to social welfare, nothing different to that which Bernie is talking about. Legitimate functions of government is exactly what he is discussing. Get corporate money out of the government so the government can be run for the people by the people, use tax money to elevate the standard of living and education within the country, protect and promote jobs within the country, and protect the environment since we sort of need it. He is not discussing nor proposing that the government should own the means of production. He is not proposing that the government control the press and media. He is not proposing that the government be run in any shape or form similar to that of the Soviet Union, China, or North Korea. To claim that is a red herring and borderline straw man.
S.J.W
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13663209:Campeador said:
lols, I wish I could dissect that bullshit protein estrogen argument against you. But that's not the point of the thread.
Hahahah, muslims do not and will never make up any majority of Europe. Europe's population is around 750 million. Out of that 750 million, 6% are muslims. OH NO 6% OF MUSLIMS, OH NO GUYS GUYS GUYS WE'RE MINORITIES NOW!!!! Hahahahha. Fuck you're an idiot. OH NO!!!!
Ahh yes, the classic well Bernie is a communist. Fuck is someone not allowed to change their political opinion? Yeah let's all just remain ignorant and never change our opinions!!!
And, no you're wrong again. Democratic socialism is where by the government owns significant means of production. In this case, the government owns the roads, owns the police force, etc,etc. You're such a fucking idiot, I fear for any children you may one day have to live with a father as stupid as you. Please for the greater good, do not reproduce.
Charlie_Kelly
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13663129:Campeador said:
Taking side with racist nationalists isnt the best possible look for you. Im sure you found the KKK a viable alternative to keep back men from breeding with our white women as well...
Have you posted any stats (I feel as if you may have) that show a growing trend of Muslim rapes and murders throughout Europe? Id be curious to see that data. You paint these people as barbarians when the vast majority ...well...aren't. Im not even that much of a bleeding heart, its just the last time a religious group was being marginalized they were being backed on cattle carts being shuttle to go take a shower with some nice Zyklon B...
I really dont think the Quran teaches any more violence then the Bible does...
Charlie_Kelly
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13663236:Granite_State said:
And pardon my atrocious grammar, on mobile.
onenerdykid
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13663236:Granite_State said:
In terms of simple frequency, there is more violence in the Bible when combining the New and Old Testaments. But in terms of percentage, there is more violence in the Qur'an and a significant portion of that is due to the central tenets of jihad and martyrdom. Additionally, many have argued that in terms of straight up barbarism & brutality, the Old Testament takes the cake.
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13663163:Nikolaus said:
You are spreading lies.
Pew Research studied muslims in 39 different countries around the world, and found that more than 53% of Muslims believe that Sharia should be the law of the land (death to homosexuals, those who commit adultery, those who leave the muslim religion, etc.)
In the middle east, the number of Muslims who believe homosexuals should be killed is above 80 % in many countries (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc)
Your claim that only a minuscule fraction of muslims are terrorists is also a flat out lie. Pew Research found that 42% of French Muslims, 35% of British Muslims, and 26% of American Muslims believe that suicide bombings against civilians may be justified.
Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
The fact of the matter is that moderate muslims are the minority. Although not all muslims are terrorists, huge portions of them hold views that are sympathetic to terrorists. This is a fact.
By allowing millions of muslims into Europe, Europe has welcomed a culture that is completely opposed to all of the freedoms Europe stands for (womens rights, LGBT rights, freedom of expression, etc, etc). Islam is the problem, and these attacks will only increase in frequency. There are parts of Stockholm in Sweden that are legitimate "no-go" zones, where police must escort emergency medical services into muslim majority areas for their safety.
Furthermore, your claim that most of the "refugees" are not young men is a blatant lie. The UNHCR data indicates that only 20% of the "refugees" arriving in Europe this year have been women. During the summer, when the numbers of refugees arriving was significantly higher, there were even fewer women arriving.
Source : http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php
Raheem Raza, a Sunni Muslim women, and founder of The Clarion Project has produced a great video highlighting the fact that hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world hold radical views and support terrorism. Check the video out here -
So please, try to be less intellectually dishonest in your posts. Blatant lies to support your narrative are pathetic. The problem is Islam.
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13663334:onenerdykid said:
Nothing in the bible is meant to be taken as literal fact, this is explicitly expressed within the Catholic church.
Everything in The Quran is meant to be interpreted as literal fact, this is explicitly express by a vast majority of Muslims, who do no have a centralized church.
This is is the MAJOR difference between the two.
Comparing violence is pointless, everything was violent 3000 years ago...
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13663233:Abu-Baghdadi said:
If birth rates continue at present rates, and the refugee crisis continues unabated, Muslims will be a huge portion of Europe's population in 50 - 100 years. Already in France, Muslims make up nearly 10% of the population. In England, Islam is the fastest growing religion by far, and Muhammed is the most common name for baby boys.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...growing-in-UK-Survey/articleshow/47508471.cms
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13663236:Granite_State said:
As has been pointed out, its not about the amount of violence but rather the context. Biblical violence takes place primarily in the context of stories, Koranic violence is expressed as instructions to Muslims. That is a big difference.
I posted stats somewhere before, but I can't find the same source now. That being said, there are countless articles online detailing the Muslim sexual assaults and murders occurring in all areas of Europe where migrants have been welcomed. Cologne on NYE alone accounted for hundreds of assaults. Throughout Europe, children and underage girls are being assaulted at public swimming pools like never before. You need only search Google yourself.
I just think Muslims should be deported back to a culture that fits more with their own. Reformed Muslims who fundamentally reject Sharia have a chance of being part of Europe, the rest will never be, and should be treated as hostile foreign agents that pose threats to national security.
What I still continuously cannot grasp is the lover affair of the left with Sharia muslims.
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13663219:onenerdykid said:
This whole defense Marxism is really getting quite absurd. The governing philosophy for all communist governments has been Marxism-Leninism, which is essentially Lenin's authoritarian (and pragmatic) interpretation of Marxism. It's really quite dishonest to say that Marxism-Leninism is the antithesis of Marxism. Moreover, fascism did not even exist as a political ideology during the Bolshevik Revolution, so to classify Bolsheviks as "fascists" is absurd as well, and points to what Orwell called the degeneration of the word fascist to the "level of a swear word" that means nothing.
What you describe as Marxism is much closer aligned to Anarcho-Syndicalism, Anarchism, or Mutualism, which is primarily the philosophy of Proudhon.
Whether you interpret the "dictatorship of the proletariat" as being a direct democracy, or an actual dictatorship as Lenin interpreted it, is rather irrelevant.
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13663399:THEPROPHET said:
Martin Luther would like to disagree with you.
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13663484:Campeador said:
It is beyond clear that you haven't even read any of Marx's philosophy. If you actually had you would know what I said comes directly from his writings. Lenin took it a different way, so did other later political leaders.
The dictatorship of the proletariat is only meant to be a temporary stage, according to Marx. Every single political movement that has been labeled as "communist" has held on to that stage for far too long. It is meant to establish order so that the people can gain control of their production and transition into a system that doesn't alienate everyone from themselves, from each other, from their products, from their means of production, and from their environment. These regimes kept the dictatorship in power for the sole benefit of the few, hardly what Marx wanted. For that reason, they fail at being Marxists.
These totalitarian regimes more resemble the very governments they sought to over throw- power in the hands of the few, controlling the many, for the benefit of the few. But instead of the business controlling everything (rather than the people, as Marx would want), the centralized state (also comprised of the few) now does/did. Same problem (according to Marx), but in a different way.
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13663506:onenerdykid said:
Are you Catholic, do you have devout Catholic friends?
I mean yes, King Salomon did exist. Genesis was written by someone.
Every book was written for a purpose. They are not historical collections. There wasnt actually a whore who helped Joshua, it is symbolism. The walls didn't actually fall magically, it's symbolism.
What are the "Muslim Ten Commandments?" I truly do not know.
What part of "Thou shalt not kill" is inciting violence? Should we take it literally? Yes.
Should we take the lore that the commandments came from a bolt of lightning as literal fact? No. That's my only point.
Leviticus was written by a man.
Job was written by a man.
revelations was written by a man.
They were all books written by men.
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13663554:THEPROPHET said:
I would agree with you- these are books written by men, they are not the revealed word of God. But, there are many Christians who do believe that the words in the Bible are the revealed word of God. To them, some serve as symbolism, others (they would argue most) serve as literal truth. Just ask Ben Carson how literally true he thinks the Bible is. He truly believes that Noah sailed the Ark and that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain.
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13663579:onenerdykid said:
Es true, sad but true...
and he supports Trump.
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13663598:Campeador said:
Not necessarily, but possibly. While I am sympathetic to a lot what Marx wrote (because he does approach politics with an ethical realism), some of what he wrote about is very, very future thinking and very hopeful. His ideas have been loosely tried, but by power hungry and dogmatic rulers. Pure Marxism may be a fantasy, but you can easily say the same thing with capitalism and democracy though. Moreover, just because a country has failed in properly executing it, the ideology itself is not to blame but those who fucked it up. It would be a mistake to blame democracy for the political short-comings of the USA for example, when rather it is the fault of those in charge.
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Trumps campaign manager just got arrested. And is about to be defended by a former US Attorney who bit a stripper.
You can't make this up.
You can't make this up.
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13664012:onenerdykid said:
Or for that matter blame the ideology of Stalinism for the political failings of Stalin or the ideology of Maoism for the failures of Mao. Just two examples of how quickly your argument becomes absurd.
Given the track record of Marxism-Leninism, it is fair to say that it has been a total failure, yet still it persists.
Capitalism and democracy exist, "pure" Marxism is a fantasy.
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13663236:Granite_State said:
Here are some stats:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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13664156:K-Dot. said:
Notice how I did not say pure.
We have a market system largely based on the capitalist economic model.
The US does not have a democracy, the government is classified as a Constitutional Republic. The US has elements of democracy in the republican system (popular voting for elected representatives, popular voting on ballot measures).
These are realistic forms of capitalism and democracy.
Soviet Socialism (Marxism-Leninism) is arguably the only realistic form of Marxism.
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13663665:Abu-Baghdadi said:
Yet you're too clueless to realize that 2nd generation muslim women are counted as "European", and account for a significant portion of the 1.5 statistic.
Among actual European women I'm sure the figure is even lower, and I'm convinced the statistic for muslims is higher. There's no other explanation for the muslim population bombs in places like Sweden.
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13664127:Campeador said:
You're missing my point. When we introduce democracy into Iraq and the terrorists rise to power through democratic means, we don't jump to the conclusion that democracy is the problem and should never be used in our political process. All I am asking for is that you don't do the same with Marx. My point always has been and always will be Stalinism is not Marx, Maoism is not Marx. When you actually take the time to read Marx, you will see this. Given that Marx wrote thousands and thousands of pages, if you'd like a good secondary source check out Erich Fromm's Marx's Concept of Man.
Stalinism, Maoism, etc. are examples of totalitarian regimes bent on keeping the power in the hands of the few for the benefit of the few. When you claim that this is Marxism, it shows that you do not understand Marx.
13664232:Campeador said:
Then you are guilty of making a false equivalence and your argument destroys itself. You can't say well "pure Marxism" is a fantasy and doesn't work but watered down capitalism does work, therefore capitalism is better. You're comparing apples to oranges. Pure Marxism and pure (laissez faire) capitalism are the parallels to draw and critique. Are both too ideal? Perhaps. But there are elements of both that work very well and the mixture of them is basically what Bernie is proposing and what exists in many prosperous and free nations.
Just because we have a certain form of capitalism & democracy, it does not follow that it is the only realistic version of the combination. There are many realistic forms of capitalism, democracy, social democracy, etc and many of them work well and arguably better than the USA's current version.
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13664304:Abu-Baghdadi said:
ummmmm no that's just wrong
Interesting, well let's analyze.
For Europe, let's assume the replacement rate for a population is 2 kids per woman (I know it's slightly higher but we'll assume 2). Based on your information, the Muslim population is increasing by about 5%, while the native European population is falling by about 25% (at current rates).
That means overall the Muslim population is increasing at a rate of 30% relative to the population of native Europeans, that is a huge difference.
That, coupled with the mass influx of muslims from abroad, will have a massive impact of on the demographics of Europe.
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13664939:Abu-Baghdadi said:
Across the board, that is significant, with even larger percentages of certain countries like France.
The other issue is that Muslims are arguably the worst group at assimilating to Western culture. They've formed parallel, often hostile, societies to the ones they live in. As the population of a parallel society increases, it will inevitably create conflict, especially with very backwards cultures that are based in Islam.
The question I have is, do Muslims make Europe better off or worse off? I would argue that Muslims make Europe significantly worse off.
So, if Muslims already make Europe significantly worse off, why import millions upon millions more of them?
S.J.W
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13664946:Campeador said:
ahhh yes the classic muslims don't integrate. That's just plain wrong. If you want to combat dangerous middle eastern Islam then you should allow them to immigrate, realize how great the west is then they forgo their dangerous ideology.
https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/4481625/Norris_MuslimIntegration.pdf?sequence=1