If no one ever watched you ski

mediumwell

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If nobody ever saw you ski, how would you ride the park?

Consider the following: Alex Hall, a skier of undoubtable technical ability is at Saas- Fee or Stubai or any other top tier park. AHall, in this imaginary realm is the last man on earth. He has no one to talk to, no one to watch him, no one to affirm that his style is indeed, very dank. AHall has never interacted with anyone. For our purposes, he was spawned on this empty planet simply to ski.

Every day the chairlift spins and everyday AHall skies in solace. Every day is bluebird, 4 degrees and a little bit slushy, but never enough to make speed an issue. Theoretically, Ahall has the rest of his existence to strive towards a better version of himself? He has every day to become the ideal AHall, the SUPREME AHall. What would ideal be? How would he really ski if no one saw?

This line of questioning is pretentious, but it raises consideration about what we consider as the quintessential skier. What do WE, the collection of observers have to say about AHall’s skiing and what effect does it have on the skier himself? To answer this question lets think about being alone for a second.

Lisa Guenther in her book, Solitary Confinement: Social Death and Its Afterlives, has this to say: "Other people, the stimulation which they provide, and the examples they set allow us to conceptualize what is ideal for ourselves"

Within Guenther's logic, Ahall has no way of checking whether or not his dank tricks are indeed dank. He has no one to tell him that grabbing blunt in a dub 12 looks better than grabbing safety For that matter, nothing can effectively convince him that skiing a beautiful park is more ideal than smearing feces all over his face. In Guenther’s eyes, Ahall would have no way of meaningfully persuading himself to think that the tricks that he can do on skis, is what he should be doing.

For the sake of argument let’s say that some way or another Ahall makes the conscious decision to continue skiing this perfect park each and every day. What would this create? What vile mutation of the beloved Ahall might come about in this situation?

I don’t know, and I can’t tell you precisely, but here’s the take.

I don’t think AHall would do any tricks because fundamentally he wouldn’t have a reason to do so. If Ahall has never seen anyone or seen any stunt, why would he bother? Obviously he has the technical ability to do tricks, but what would he stand to gain?

I don’t know what he stands to gain. Maybe he’d uncover the universal hit of dopamine everyone gets when they land switch as if they never left the ground. Maybe he would do tricks for the same arbitrary reason that he chooses to go skiing every day. He’d probably like the feeling of whatever tricks he does do. Whatever he does, whatever this eternally lonesome Ahall performs won’t be the same charade as what we see today.

Maybe he does cork 3’s and b2’s like its nobody’s business, I don’t know for sure. Nevertheless, his skiing in this realm would look wildly different than @alexhallskiing. I don’t think in this world, AHall would find himself doing many tricks because in this realm the goal of park skiing is as clear as mud.

Skiing park would be a meaningless pursuit in this realm. Even a skier at the top of his game would have no reason to do it. Skiing is an aesthetic sport and without a third person it would cease to have meaning. The ideal skier is a constructed by the people, and can’t exist in this realm. Skiing is a collective experience and it meaning can only be validated through other people. We need the homies to clear the mud.

So just think about skiing if no barked at the top of the inrun, filmed from the knuckle, or erupted with emotion when you bang the shit out of a trick.

Ask yourself, would it be worth it?

Sincerely,

Medium Well
 
Definitely deep. People often tend to do things based on interactions they've had with others, realizing it or not, I know I've done it. Its not a bad thing either, we wouldn't progress in the world without seeing things from others eyes or doing what others do. Of course try not to exactly copy others but it's okay to do something someone does and identity it as a part of your "being."

Insane thought man, I love it though, props to you.
 
Went to respond earlier, didn't, but I decided it's better to say what I think. Anyways, if I was left alone with nobody else I'd still ski, the dopamine and adrenaline is enough to keep me wanting to shred. Would I eventually reach the level that today's pros are at? Probably not. My only motivation for anything would be myself. Going pro isn't a variable, there'd be no fame, no big recognition, no competition to always push yourself to be better than.
 
topic:mediumwell said:
Every day is bluebird, 4 degrees and a little bit slushy, but never enough to make speed an issue.

Spring is here and oh my god I want to ski again.
 
Interesting point, I guess I would just do all the tricks I find fun even if they aren't "in" like front 2s and zero spins
 
14123070:little_1337 said:
Interesting point, I guess I would just do all the tricks I find fun even if they aren't "in" like front 2s and zero spins

how are zero spins not cool?

It's perhaps more interesting to ask that question to yourself. If you were in a similar situation situation (all people suddenly disappear, all essential things provided, perfect park, chair spinning, ...) would you continue to ski. And if yes, how? Would you still be trying to progress? Is the sensation you get from skiing itself enough without the prospect of validation or admiration.

Or in other words would you still ski the same if everybody was alive and well, but nobody was ever able to see you land a trick?

**This post was edited on Mar 28th 2020 at 10:44:30am
 
14123083:Adolf_Skitler said:
how are zero spins not cool?

It's perhaps more interesting to ask that question to yourself. If you were in a similar situation situation (all people suddenly disappear, all essential things provided, perfect park, chair spinning, ...) would you continue to ski. And if yes, how? Would you still be trying to progress? Is the sensation you get from skiing itself enough without the prospect of validation or admiration.

Or in other words would you still ski the same if everybody was alive and well, but nobody was ever able to see you land a trick?

**This post was edited on Mar 28th 2020 at 10:44:30am

True, zero spins just aren't that "technical" I guess but can still be sick. I would definitely still ski because I love the sensation of it and I think I would probably still do stuff in the park because the progression aspect of it feels good
 
i quit strava a few months ago, ride my bike alone more often than not, and am still riding hard and trying to improve, even if no records are being officially broken and no one is watching. so to answer your question - i think if we get pleasure in the process of improvement, there doesn't need to be some end goal (fame, financial success, acceptance from family/friends, etc.) to drive it. keep in mind that the vast majority of people don't get any or all of these things from their activities, yet they still choose to pursue them.
 
14123093:bennwithtwons said:
i quit strava a few months ago, ride my bike alone more often than not, and am still riding hard and trying to improve, even if no records are being officially broken and no one is watching. so to answer your question - i think if we get pleasure in the process of improvement, there doesn't need to be some end goal (fame, financial success, acceptance from family/friends, etc.) to drive it. keep in mind that the vast majority of people don't get any or all of these things from their activities, yet they still choose to pursue them.

For the most part, I agree. If it's a recreational activity, it doesn't need to serve a higher purpose if it brings you joy. However, I think what I'm trying to say is that recreation cannot be pleasurable without other people creating and validating parameters that you can be successful in. You said your still "riding hard and trying to improve", a statement with the implication that riding "hard" is better than riding like a dainty little flower. So if you were in this AHall's situation, but we replace skiing with biking, how would you have any way of meaningfully telling yourself that riding harder and harder every day constitutes improvement?
 
Was actually thinking along similar lines the other day.

My thoughts were if everything was hike only, build only, cameras didn't exist, and you had no interaction with others, how would your skiing develop(assuming you had general skiing skills, a drive to start somewhere with tricks and plenty of time on your hands).

If there's no feedback other than the feelings we get while skiing, then it's up to our personalities/body types to determine how we react to those feelings. I think less focus would be put on perfecting things and more on finding the next personal challenge to overcome.

Not exactly the same concept, but definitely check out Rodney Mullen's book "The Mutt" for interesting examples of social isolation and how it influenced his skating.
 
Xankilla burner account with normal punctuation so he can tell us how big of “haters” we are when we think this shits deep without his account linked to it
 
14123104:mediumwell said:
For the most part, I agree. If it's a recreational activity, it doesn't need to serve a higher purpose if it brings you joy. However, I think what I'm trying to say is that recreation cannot be pleasurable without other people creating and validating parameters that you can be successful in. You said your still "riding hard and trying to improve", a statement with the implication that riding "hard" is better than riding like a dainty little flower. So if you were in this AHall's situation, but we replace skiing with biking, how would you have any way of meaningfully telling yourself that riding harder and harder every day constitutes improvement?

I don’t need anyone to tell me that I’m riding hard. My increased heart rate is more than enough feedback. It isn’t any kind of societal parameter.
 
So long as I had the ability to film myself I would ski forever. That way I can measure my progression which gives me self satisfaction and self-worth. All that is need for one to live alone like that.
 
14123104:mediumwell said:
For the most part, I agree. If it's a recreational activity, it doesn't need to serve a higher purpose if it brings you joy. However, I think what I'm trying to say is that recreation cannot be pleasurable without other people creating and validating parameters that you can be successful in. You said your still "riding hard and trying to improve", a statement with the implication that riding "hard" is better than riding like a dainty little flower. So if you were in this AHall's situation, but we replace skiing with biking, how would you have any way of meaningfully telling yourself that riding harder and harder every day constitutes improvement?

Dunno man, I feel like you don't need other people to tell you that something objectively more challenging is a bigger achievement.

The fear of trying a new trick, going bigger, etc. is real and instinctual whether there are people there or not. So is the rush when you succeed. Skiing combines adrenaline, technical challenge, flow, creativity, and pure pleasure of flying and if you want to really experience all those things you're going to try to improve. People naturally gravitate towards challenging, exciting things and that's why it's cool seeing someone do something difficult well in the first place. The fanbois are more of a byproduct than a driver.

I learned my best tricks last year on a couple solo days in an empty park. Letting external validation get in the way takes the fun away from skiing for me. Too many days with the homies and I need to reset and find my own personal take on skiing again. I actually left the scene a couple years back because I didn't like the pressure and self-referential culture in skiing. After a couple years I found myself skiing with family, not knowing who or what was cool in the sport, and pretty much immediately fell in love with skiing again.
 
14123219:dan38 said:
So long as I had the ability to film myself I would ski forever. That way I can measure my progression which gives me self satisfaction and self-worth. All that is need for one to live alone like that.

That sounds kinda lonely
 
I rate this post and its pretension.

I don't know about you but a lap through the park where there's not a soul in sight, no goggles peering from the lift, no riders at the top of the run in, no gapers sitting eating their lunch on features literally no-one - no avenue through which to be observed - leaves me with an unparalleled sense of satisfaction and focus upon my skiing, so much so that I'd happily lap in solitude until my legs wouldn't let me. Sure, this might just be me being somewhat introverted when it comes to skiing, and yes a huge part of this experience is given meaning by the fact that what i see as skiing is situated within its social context, created and necessitated by the existence of others as an aesthetic sport etc etc.

However, In my eyes this tells me there is something platonic about our pursuit. Sure, laps without homies to create a hedonistic environment of pure stoke, encouragement, humor and mutual gratification which create lasting collective memories, would omit something considerable from what we love about skiing as an inter-subjective experience. Yet, I feel that skiing, and creative park skiing (as in not just straight-lining laps and actually utilizing terrain to try new things) acquires a sense of meaning without the cultural/social context within which it is embedded. I wont go on to talk about evolutionary expressions of creativity and playfulness as I really don't know shit about this, but I would say that creative skiing serves as an expression of being for itself - perhaps as authentic as it gets.

So sure, AHall might not be flowing down the line with his mind-numbing stee that we know and love him for, but I bet you this solipsistic version of AHall is still throwing down, and doing so as authentically as he could possibly could be (literally), for the sake of no one but his own. What these tricks might be? like you said, its nobody's business.

I'm fairly scatterbrained and my trick quiver is un-remarkable at best, but i like to think that put in the above scenario i would huck my shit around that park day after day doing what feels good with little justification beyond that, gleaning inspiration from what i think it may look like and arbitrarily choosing things to strive for given that that it provides me with a sense of self without others, creates a sense of agency, simulates self-exploration and provides purpose and continuity within an otherwise bizarre existence (like, who even shapes this park dud?)

This discussion may be meaningless - and i am talking shit - but great thread bud!

Happy quarantine
 
I still send it when the cameras arent out. I have no facebook, instagram or any real platform other than youtube and NS, so I dont have anywhere to post even if I get the shot. Still, I will do my best and nail what I had in mind.

The moment of flying in the air in control is quite the incredible feeling. Thats why I do it; the shot is great and all, but the feeling of satisfaction is more than enough to make me happy. The best quote I cant think of to explain it is CRs: "You are out there for yourself, by yourself; not on a team or nothing. That time to yourself is so much fun."

Before calling me out on hypocracy, I do film and edit the shots and footage and post it online. However, its not about bragging or showing off, but about remembering the best days of my life on a pair of skis. When I show the edits to others, its not to show off, but to show how much fun I have been having. Every year, I try to build on my editing skills to keep a record and a chronology of my skiing life. Impressing you if not the goal.

Another aspect I would love to bring to the discussion is the level tolerance. For me 360s are base tricks I will do as a test jump. But, for others, this trick is the peak of their game and will get the same rush on the 3 than I do on a cork 7. Its the same level of adrenaline, but a two different skill levels. We feel the same level of fear, but the consequences are higher on the cork. So I try to make less experienced riders remember that they are having as much fun as I am.

But without media and friends, I guess I would have much inspiration to go on.

I get it when top levels guys warm up on a backflip. Watching the edits on the front page, you can ask OPs question; is it for the shots, or for the passion?

I still think its for the fun and feeling, you just build on your friends stoke!
 
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