I stopped watching videos on NS since the new video format is on.

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I log (used to log) on NS on a daily basis. I would do two things: post videos and, most importantly, watch videos.

With the advent of the new video format, I stopped doing the latter. I'll skip over the fact that it lags terribly and screws my internet most times I click to watch an edit. I guess that's my own problem.

But why is it sub-dividing videos into so many categories? When I want to watch the top rated edits (which is most of the time since I can't spend hours here), I want to watch the top rated edits. Not the best site-friendly edits, not the videos+embedded of the week.

Is this a permanent format or is it going to come back to a more user-friendly, less time consuming one? Am I the only lazy guy who's bothere by having to filter edits all the time?
 
Oh! and I didn't watch edits in weeks now.

Could someone tell me if Gus Kenworthy has found a feeling that beats that?
 
Sorry dude but I love the new video format. In the old one the top rated rarely changed, I love now how I can browse by ratings, comments, views, weekly top rated and everything else.
 
Fair enough. But dividing embedded and site uploads just silences a shitload of good embedded videos that aren't watched anymore so can't be top rated. I guess that also happens to be NS's will, but it sucks.
 
new format rocks

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it takes 1 click to view both simultaneously. 1 click. i understand laziness, but your hand never even has to leave the mouse. it moves 6 inches tops.
 
^i get you. I'm not saying it's out of laziness but since the format changed, embedded videos are far less rated than flash ones.
 
i like it but im starting to hate gus kenworthy. u should make it so that if you donate to the site, you dont have ads in the videos
 
What makes Vimeo win? We really want to know so we can compete?

- We have 720p HD quality, and we're hoping to be able to provide 1080p in the very near future

- We are doing final test on the desktop uploader which will let you upload up to 2gig (for now) files and will automatically resume as often as needed to make sure it is a complete transfer

- Our file hosting service can stream to you as fast as any other.

What else do we need to make you consider NS as THE place to host your ski related content?
 
the adds kill it for me. it makes it lag so much for some reason. the ones without adds are just fine.
 
I've explained this too many times to too many people. If you want to maintain your unfounded belief that IE is in some inferior to other browsers, go ahead. But please stop asking me stupid fucking questions.
 
Except you are proving right there why it is inferior to other browsers. Chrome and firefox handle it fine, im sure safari does too.
 
this is like a man who picks up a sledge hammer, says to his friend, look at this sledgehammer, its heavy. Then slams himself in the plums with the sledgehammer, before turning to his friend and saying FUCK THIS HURTS.
 
Okay, I don't care. I've already said I have no intention of debating my choice of browser. Why you continue to try to spark an argument in beyond me.
 
I agree but dont bother arguing, nothing is going to change. Plus you will just get hated on by tons of devoted 14 year olds.
 
well ads, but that you guys cant change.

once you guys 1080, that will be awesome becuase you can compete with the vimeo pluss features for free. also the upload limit is holding me back, but i messaged you about that one. i personally think vimeo is faster, but you guys probably have better numbers on that than i do.

ive always uploaded videos to vimeo then embedded. but the video of the day and now how the video page brings you just to the videos on NS (without a click) it gives kids more of a reason to upload to NS.

 
They might claim that, but in practice that is sure as hell not true. Vimeo is much faster, and even 720p video's look far better then they do on here.

I honestly don't know why anyone uses the NS video service, vimeo is just better in every way.
 
The part where you said "I've complained about this in other threads as well, but the fucking video player causes IE to crash." You cant complain about the failures of something and yet continue to use it. Like it or not, its IE's fault not NS's. But please, continue to expect NS to cater to one user who is stuck a decade in the past when it comes to internet browsers.
 
I always love when people say stuff like this and really have no clue.

We use a 3rd party player that is used everywhere from news sites to porn, and its now well known that IE doesn't play nice with the current or previous versions thanks to something IE has done. We've been told there is a fix coming from the company that develops the player and we are in constant contact with them, we just need to wait for it to be released. There's NOTHING we can do on our side to fix that one at the moment, so our apologies to anyone using IE.
 
I really want to get something super duper straight here -

Yes. We would like you to upload videos to the site. We would REALLY like this. However, we have promised you we would never force it.

The issue of separating the two out is something that you have to understand better.

The key is that we built an extremely complex media management system around newschoolers. This is based around the ability for you to move your various media files into all kinds of different places. In order to do this, we had to get very strict within the code about the way to handle media.

Embedded videos (from a code perspective) are NOT videos. They are code. Not a video. Yes, it occupies the same space as a video when the code is read into your browser... but it is not a video.

I like to use the following analogy to help explain this:

Just because 5 washing machines can be arranged into the shape of a Lamborghini doesn't make the 5 dishwashers able to win a car race.

Embed code is not video. Its just embed code. We have no control over its shape, size, security, properties (remember autoplay music?), etc.

We wanted to build a video system that worked seamlessly on newschoolers, and the only way to do that was to put all of our focus into the actual videos hosted here. I mean look at how shitty the embed page looks with all fucking mis-matched thumbnails and different sized videos. Garbage. SHit. I hate it.

SUre to you it seems like an easy task to just add in thumbnails and make it work, but trust us it isn't. Again - the technological needs of a site the size of newschoolers are immense.

Back to our old analogy, even if you were able to make those washing machines spin real wheels, you put a real lamborghini body on it, and spent a ton of time making a functional vehicle out of those 5 washing machines... the performance is going to suck compared to the Lamborghini.

We actually put a huge amount of effort into hacking the embedded videos back into the system, because we didn't want to screw with the old way you guys used to be able to get it.

Now, in terms of quality.... again - you need to look at the bigger picture. When an old video which has been compressed beyond belief runs through our encoders does it look better than Vimeo? No.

When you have an upload limit of 800mb and you compress your video to fit in that, yet on Vimeo you upload a 2gb file and then you compare... will the quality be better? No.

If you upload a fucking 1080p high bitrate movie to Vimeo that is short, and under 800mb and put the same file on newschoolers, will the quailty be the same? We're pretty sure. If it isn't we'll just keep cranking it up until it is.

Newschoolers right now TODAY supports 1080p streaming. Most files just aren't high enough quality going in.

The issue is the uploading. As we've said, our next big step is our upload app. This has taken a ton of development to get right, but a few producers have tested it out, and this willl allow you to get (2gb to start) big files on the site. These big files in high quality will encode to a super high quality.

Is our streamer just as fast? Should be. What you don't realize is that some of the 1080p videos on vimeo are way bigger than others, just like on our site, and take quite a bit of time to buffer. I've seen it all over the place, but they do a much better job at glassing over this fact. We'll have the same thing here. Again - if it isn't perfect we'll change it so it is.

This quality issue is extremely important to us. We have dumped every resource that this company has into this system, and will continue to do so until we get it right. Are we there yet? No. Are we getting a ton closer? Yes.

People always ask "Why would I upload to newschoolers when I can put it on vimeo?" and well.... when our quality isn't on par I say that you don't have a reason to give it to us. Just tell us what you want and give us the chance to change and win you back.

However, the reason that we want this video on Newschoolers is that we're trying to build a video experience here where you can just jump into one place, and watch all the awesome ski video you want. Ski, ski, ski and more ski. We want this to be what you put on after a day of skiing when you need something to watch... we want to be the place where you dont' sift through all of Vimeo to find a good edit. We want to be the future of video in skiing.

I believe that the next generation of film makers exists here on Newschoolers. I believe that we are at the cusp of a content revolution like the world of skiing has never seen before. I believe that all of you are the crux of that revolution, and are the content producers of the future.

We want to grow with you, give you a place to shine, build you a new ecosystem to build businesses, and not charge you for video technology.

Do we run ads? Yes. So does Vimeo. Sure they run less because they are burning through their venture capitol, and like any new website using the Valley mentality, when you have tricked the users into using your services hammer them with ads. It will happen. Just wait. We're just being honest from the start.

Also, we're willing to work on things with you. Are there too many ads right now? Yes. Vitamin water was a huge part of funding the development of this system, and we screwed up with calculating how many ads would show. I'm really sorry. Just do note that they have helped bring us into the future, and are a big reason that we're going to be able to help out am video producers build themselves into companies that have revenue.

Hit us with your complaints, assault us with your suggestions... but as always, make sure to give us a chance. We're here to build this alongside you, and to grow into the future of our sport's media together.

You guys are the future. We want to help.



 
ITS OK BUT OLD FORMAT IS STILL BETTER ....THUMBAIL SI NOT NECCESARY THE OLDER WITHOUT THUMBAIL GOT MORE VIEWS---is more simple to watch
 
This would be considered a problem. And a reason to change.

Also its incredibly difficult to change, not that anyone who uses IE would understand that.
 
Mr Bishop,

Thanks for your time answering. You made me truly understand how much time and complexity (and philosophy) goes behind all that. It must be hard as hell to set all these things up and apparently your work pays off since my opinion seems to be minoritary.

My (humble) talent is skiing. I do not know shit about computers, nor do I intend on getting to know them better in the future.

Sometimes, my friends/editors put out my videos on NS through your reader. Most of the times, I put them out myself. I consistently try to put them out through your reader first. It consistently fails, so it ends up through embed codes, as I encounter no problem uploading on other readers.

Is it because I'm shitty with computers? Probably. But some assiduous NS visitors like myself are shitty with computers and it's your job to reach out to us, not mine to read a book on uploading for dummies.

As you may see through my profile, most of the embed videos I put out myself end up top rated for at least a couple of days. They get 4-digits views. I anticipate it won't be the case anymore, since less and less people will end up watching embed videos through the new format. I was expressing my profound disappointment on the matter.
 
Honestly I TOTALLY understand. I know that the uploads fail, likely its not your fault its just that your internet might be slightly unstable.

The method that the web browser talks to our servers is inherently unstable, and that has been a massive stumbling block for our video section for a long time.

This is the reason we created the desktop upload app. It is stable as all hell, and will allow you to super easily drag and drop multiple and massive files and have them smoothly upload to the site.

We're still accepting beta testers for the app, so if you're interested I'd love to let you have a go at it. mr.bishop@newschoolers.com.

Right now it works flawlessly for some and fails for others. We're pretty sure we have one pass more to make at it and its going to be ready. If you want to help us I'd love it.

The most important thing that we want people to know is we are prepared to be as competitive as needs to be to get your videos on our site. SO tell us the issues, and we'll work through 'em.

Just don't say you hate the new setup if the problem is that the uploader sucks. Tell us the uploader sucks, and that if that part of it was fixed (or whatever else) you'd like the new setup. There has to be a point where we can make it compelling enough that skiers would upload their ski video to newschoolers.

 
All right, merci beaucoup for your answer. I'm eager to try the new reader. I really hope it'll work next time, with the new setup. as for the lag, I guess I'll stop using IE to log on NS, and probably for everything else while I'm at it. Cheers!
 
I feel like the new format for the Top Rated videos section is just a way to generate more ad dollars by making people watch ads on NS uploaded videos and generate more clicks, ad money, by making people click through multiple pages to get to the content they actually want to watch. It would be nice if the default landing site of the Top Rated button in the bar washttps://newschoolers.com/videos/toprated.0/Top_Rated_Videos?v=all&t=6 because then no one would notice the difference as that was the original landing site. Now I have to click through two pages.. Also is it necessary to push the NS video proprietary format so hard by manipulating how people view videos? i.e. making it so you have to click a separate tab to see the embedded videos? Vimeo gives the user more control over their content than NS does and is why I think many of NS users use it as they are making lots of original content which they might wish to have control over in the future. Just a content control thought from the user side. Even youtube lets users decide if they want ads played over their videos.
 
Please read my many posts on the embedded view.

Talk to me more though about "control over their content" - what control is it that you speak of?

Because there's more of a story to what you're saying. I mean on YouTube, the "disable ads" feature:

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Clearly states that you can only disable ads on content in which you licensed your music.

Vimeo - http://vimeo.com/forums/topic:22888

You can pay to have ads removed for yourself, but you can not have it removed on your content entirely.

You're short sighted to think that more and more ads aren't going to creep into these platforms. Also, getting a share of that revenue is a pathetic and tiny share, which ski film producers are only ever going to see a few hundred bucks here and there.

Yes we display ads, but we do it because this is the future of business online. You guys read magazines... they are exactly 50% ads... more for most. So its actually WAY less to watch 15 seconds for a few minutes of video on here.

Plus, that is what our producer program is about. We're rolling it out in limited spots this year, but will be expanding it into the future. Approved producers will be able to make a really solid share of this ad revenue by hosting their videos on Newschoolers. So watching ads on NS will not only support us, but your fellow film producers.

Yes this vitamin water pre-roll is a lot. I know that. I'm sorry. However, look at the long approach on this... we're changing the way you can come up through the ranks as a film producer.

 
I came on here to make a very small but specific complaint.

I was just watching the video of the day, and the current one there's a dope shot right at the end of the edit that I wanted to replay, but TOO LATE! The next video has already started loading and I have to scroll down click the video I was watching, wait for the add, then wait for the video to buffer just to get back to the part of the video I was watching.

Sparknotes: Just don't have the next VOD start automatically. It's annoying as hell but I fully understand if I'm the only one that feels this way.

What would be really sweet is if there was the same sort of deal that YouTube has after a video ends where it shows clickable thumbnails of videos by the same user. And maybe if there were arrows like in the picture section so you could easily switch to the previous or next video. That'd be smooth as shit.
 
this is the bad attitude that i think people in the industry need to drop. Embeds will always be there, but people like you duncana nd nick, who made a thread about the new video section need to embrace what ns needs. Upload video to NS, upload them to vimeo, put the vimeo link in the first comment or even in the description! boom bomb, both vimeo and NS have the video uploaded, everyones happy.

I think embeds should be disabled, old ones should be left on the site obviously, but the ability to "upload" embeds should be taken away. If people don't like it, their lost. NS has the potential to become a HUGE video powerhouse and if we keep JUST uploading to vimeo (or youtube) then were hurting NS. Upload to both, post thinks, it works out great.
 
I embeded my last video. But I had no choice it was bigger than 800mo. If NS disables embeds, they'd need to find a way so that we could upload bigger videos. Until then, let the embeds I say..
 
You're that lazy that you can't resize it?

And unless you video was over 20 minutes, it shouldn't be more than 800mb. Every video i upload is very high quality, the largest file i have is like 400mb for like an 7-8min edit. Compress correctly and it wont be a problem, also don't be lazy and it wont be a problem.
 
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