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14508833:Agate420 said:
Got a meeting setup today to see if there is a way to kind of treat my school as a tech school, mainly focusing on industrial and business skills that i can engage in. Rather than going to algebra 2 and thinking about how these numbers don’t exist and how i’m never gonna think about this a week from now. At the end of the day i will be getting a highschool education.

The plan with the camper is to work my ass off all summer for the funds and then this fall design and build one with my buddy. I don’t know how else to put it other than he is a “garage kid” hes been designing and making things since his whole life and knows everything about electronics craftsmanship and engines. I plan on dropping atleast 7k on a camper we custom build so i can get a living space that i designed rather than buying a stock one.

I have also been looking a lot into trade school after this thread.

Hell yeah, if you're handy and also learn childcare and can teach skiing, you'd be an awesome au pair and make bank
 
14508833:Agate420 said:
Got a meeting setup today to see if there is a way to kind of treat my school as a tech school, mainly focusing on industrial and business skills that i can engage in. Rather than going to algebra 2 and thinking about how these numbers don’t exist and how i’m never gonna think about this a week from now. At the end of the day i will be getting a highschool education.

The plan with the camper is to work my ass off all summer for the funds and then this fall design and build one with my buddy. I don’t know how else to put it other than he is a “garage kid” hes been designing and making things since his whole life and knows everything about electronics craftsmanship and engines. I plan on dropping atleast 7k on a camper we custom build so i can get a living space that i designed rather than buying a stock one.

I have also been looking a lot into trade school after this thread.

You seem like an eloquent enough kid. You'll do alright no matter what you do. Some times life is just about checking boxes, and it's a shitty slog to do it but it's one of the few ways you can objectify effort and ability unfortunately.

I got shit grades in HS and while it was never a question whether I'd graduate, I couldn't have gave a fuck less about it. And look at me now. You see my karma score? Str8 dolla dolla billz y'all.
 
honestly id love to give some give some "hell yeah follow ur dreams" advice but like hear me out I'ma tell u how do make it

all this stuff IS feasible and I think u can make it OP, butttt it requires helllla money, I took a similar path after my freshman college year when I dropped out, bought a van, converted it, and traveled a bit but it just got too expensive

so ur about to be 17, so seems like you got like a year and a half TOPS left in high school...I think it would be way more worth it to finish high school out and work as much as you can and stack ur bread so u will be secure on the road, will save you so much time and money that you otherwise would be spending hassling with GED shit. I mean yeah I get you high school is shitt and living with parents sucks but for a year and a half is worth the reward of being more secure in the future.

vans require a lottt of maintenance especially if u get a ford (my transit burned thru 3 automatic transmissions)

DONT GET A FORD TRANSIT CONNECT

get a used Toyota truck with Sub 120k miles, treat her right and she'll run forever. truck campers are easier to build out to avoid mold and stagnant air in a van. Honestly get a basic ass camper shell and build from there, don't get caught up in pre built campers cuz they'll fuck ur gas mileage

Honestly the biggest thing is making sure you have enough money, cuz living in a vehicle is not all the glitz and glamour you see online, its ugly, stressful, uncomfortable. but its also a fucking blast and you'll have some of the coolest experiences of ur life.

ski industry jobs might not pay as well as you hope, so be prepared to look for another job that pays well once you're out there that'll allow you to ski and maybe even give you a spot to park ur. rig, like working at a hotel or something. idk tho being a lift op pays pretty well so feel it out as u go

Hopefully there are some helpful bits in these ramblings. I hope all works out for u OP!
 
14509064:CowboySkibop said:
honestly id love to give some give some "hell yeah follow ur dreams" advice but like hear me out I'ma tell u how do make it

all this stuff IS feasible and I think u can make it OP, butttt it requires helllla money, I took a similar path after my freshman college year when I dropped out, bought a van, converted it, and traveled a bit but it just got too expensive

so ur about to be 17, so seems like you got like a year and a half TOPS left in high school...I think it would be way more worth it to finish high school out and work as much as you can and stack ur bread so u will be secure on the road, will save you so much time and money that you otherwise would be spending hassling with GED shit. I mean yeah I get you high school is shitt and living with parents sucks but for a year and a half is worth the reward of being more secure in the future.

vans require a lottt of maintenance especially if u get a ford (my transit burned thru 3 automatic transmissions)

DONT GET A FORD TRANSIT CONNECT

get a used Toyota truck with Sub 120k miles, treat her right and she'll run forever. truck campers are easier to build out to avoid mold and stagnant air in a van. Honestly get a basic ass camper shell and build from there, don't get caught up in pre built campers cuz they'll fuck ur gas mileage

Honestly the biggest thing is making sure you have enough money, cuz living in a vehicle is not all the glitz and glamour you see online, its ugly, stressful, uncomfortable. but its also a fucking blast and you'll have some of the coolest experiences of ur life.

ski industry jobs might not pay as well as you hope, so be prepared to look for another job that pays well once you're out there that'll allow you to ski and maybe even give you a spot to park ur. rig, like working at a hotel or something. idk tho being a lift op pays pretty well so feel it out as u go

Hopefully there are some helpful bits in these ramblings. I hope all works out for u OP!

Why did someone thumbs down this lol. That last bit. I'm loving skiing way more now that it's not my primary job. I work, make enough for my season pass and few other lift tickets through the year and have skied more and am skiing better than ever. For jobs, I'm most jealous of my EMT friends. Work two 24 hour shifts a week and have ample time to spending skiing or with their families. Not a terrible career with a clear path upward, not a daunting education path, etc. Just gotta see a lot of shit. Like, a lot. For someone young looking to vanlife it in a new area, probably a pretty good gig.
 
14509071:r00kie said:
Why did someone thumbs down this lol. That last bit. I'm loving skiing way more now that it's not my primary job. I work, make enough for my season pass and few other lift tickets through the year and have skied more and am skiing better than ever. For jobs, I'm most jealous of my EMT friends. Work two 24 hour shifts a week and have ample time to spending skiing or with their families. Not a terrible career with a clear path upward, not a daunting education path, etc. Just gotta see a lot of shit. Like, a lot. For someone young looking to vanlife it in a new area, probably a pretty good gig.

I used to be a boy scout and my leader was a emt when he was like 19-22 and i’m lowkey chillin on that. He’s told me a ridiculous amount of stories about dicks getting chopped off, dead babies and people generally just getting fucked up.

After hearing those (especially the dick story) i don’t think being a emt is for me.
 
14509071:r00kie said:
Why did someone thumbs down this lol. That last bit. I'm loving skiing way more now that it's not my primary job. I work, make enough for my season pass and few other lift tickets through the year and have skied more and am skiing better than ever. For jobs, I'm most jealous of my EMT friends. Work two 24 hour shifts a week and have ample time to spending skiing or with their families. Not a terrible career with a clear path upward, not a daunting education path, etc. Just gotta see a lot of shit. Like, a lot. For someone young looking to vanlife it in a new area, probably a pretty good gig.

Oh Fr fr. I’m actually boutta stop working in the Industry, I took a job at a hemp farm in my area doing exactly what I am certified for lol, it’s like a 40 hour a week gig but then it gives me free weekends to just enjoy skiing and not sit and watch people ski all day. Not to mention I’m gonna be making about $20k more a year than I am doing seasonal work

I mean even comparing this season to last season where I was working as an instructor, I’ve found that I find a lot more enjoyment in skiing again because I’m not standing in my ski boots all day scraping kids up off the bunny hill and getting bitched at by parents for not making their disinterested child love skiing
 
14509071:r00kie said:
Why did someone thumbs down this lol. That last bit. I'm loving skiing way more now that it's not my primary job. I work, make enough for my season pass and few other lift tickets through the year and have skied more and am skiing better than ever. For jobs, I'm most jealous of my EMT friends. Work two 24 hour shifts a week and have ample time to spending skiing or with their families. Not a terrible career with a clear path upward, not a daunting education path, etc. Just gotta see a lot of shit. Like, a lot. For someone young looking to vanlife it in a new area, probably a pretty good gig.

>Telling a 17yr old to buy a toyota pickup with sub 120,000 miles lmao
 
14507353:eheath said:
Only a very small % of ski industry workers make a life time career and most of them have college degrees (engineers, business, marketing, accounting, HR, communication). This goes for resorts, brands, media, etc basically every ski industry job other than being a groomer.

You should 100% finish high school, having a GED immediately puts you below those who finished high school, showing you can complete something as simple as high school is very important to employers. College on the other hand is more of an option, maybe a tech school would interest you more, but IMO you're making a pretty radical decision based on almost zero knowledge/information.

YEAH MAN, RACKING UP 50K IN DEBT ON A BULLSHIT DEGREE IS LIKE SUCH A GOOD MOVE!

Go into a trade, you dumb fuck. By the time you're 21 you can easily be making $70k a year doing HVAC, being an electrician or plumber. Fuck, even the local warehouse here offers $20 an hour starting wage for HS dropouts, daily overtime and a pension after 5 years. You can easily ski park into your 30's and have a comfy house and retirement fund by then.
 
14508462:GnomesAreReal said:
finish school no matter what, college too. If you drop out it's gonna be 'lit' the first few years then you'll become an adult without any real aducation. You're one back injury away from not being able to work most ski industy jobs.

I don't think the education aspect of the final year of HS really matters. Especially if you're over it and not going to college for something specific. It's just the piece of paper showing you finished which does matter a lot.

That's why trade/tech stuff is a good move for a lot of people. You're not missing shit swapping out a few classes. Most jobs are based off previous job experience anyway.
 
dude it’s just one more year and a highschool diploma will take you so much further. The investment of 1 more year for that piece of paper is so worth it. Even if the job doesn’t require it i’m sure you can get some benefits from having one.
 
14510813:BearsOnKetamine said:
dude it’s just one more year and a highschool diploma will take you so much further. The investment of 1 more year for that piece of paper is so worth it. Even if the job doesn’t require it i’m sure you can get some benefits from having one.

Plan right now is to crank my ged out by may of this year so i can start tech school a year early. I have the ability to graduate but if i don’t need a diploma i don’t really want to spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week for 63 more weeks wasting my time.
 
14510929:Agate420 said:
Plan right now is to crank my ged out by may of this year so i can start tech school a year early. I have the ability to graduate but if i don’t need a diploma i don’t really want to spend 8 hours a day 5 days a week for 63 more weeks wasting my time.

its not a waste of time homie, GED should only be a last resort if u dont meet ur expected graduation date. graduate
 
14510932:supremeblientele said:
its not a waste of time homie, GED should only be a last resort if u dont meet ur expected graduation date. graduate

Algebra 2 is a waste of my time and i refuse to believe otherwise, not one adult i have talked to has told me that they’ve used algebra 2 after highschool. Ged also allows me to start welding school early so i will have a associates degree by the time i’m 19.
 
14510936:Agate420 said:
Algebra 2 is a waste of my time and i refuse to believe otherwise, not one adult i have talked to has told me that they’ve used algebra 2 after highschool. Ged also allows me to start welding school early so i will have a associates degree by the time i’m 19.

I use a few of the concepts from algebra 2 every day. Perhaps it's the adults you are talking to, were they doing jobs your interested in, or like working at a grocery store?
 
14510942:C.R.E.A.M said:
I use a few of the concepts from algebra 2 every day. Perhaps it's the adults you are talking to, were they doing jobs your interested in, or like working at a grocery store?

Like my therapist, mom and all the people telling me that a 2 year college will get me somewhere in life

**This post was edited on Feb 16th 2023 at 3:09:52pm
 
14510936:Agate420 said:
Algebra 2 is a waste of my time and i refuse to believe otherwise, not one adult i have talked to has told me that they’ve used algebra 2 after highschool. Ged also allows me to start welding school early so i will have a associates degree by the time i’m 19.

A lot of algebra and trig involved in welding and fabrication
 
14510990:ASSholebomber22 said:
A lot of algebra and trig involved in welding and fabrication

pretty much just easy stuff, geometry and trig which i passed last year and 2 years of secondary schooling to teach me what i don’t know
 
14510995:Agate420 said:
pretty much just easy stuff, geometry and trig which i passed last year and 2 years of secondary schooling to teach me what i don’t know

It's all easy stuff after you've learned it ;)
 
14510989:Agate420 said:
Like my therapist, mom and all the people telling me that a 2 year college will get me somewhere in life

**This post was edited on Feb 16th 2023 at 3:09:52pm

You mean all the people who care about you or have your best interest at heart or have lived more life then you?

Being 17 is hard because you start to get a taste of the reality of the challenges you face as an adult but running away to try and live in your childhood more is not going to bring your childhood back, or set you up to feel better about yourself in the future. You know what's harder then being 17? Being 18, and then 19, and so on.

Take it from someone who took all their 20s figuring this out, I thought I could be a weed entrepreneur and you know what, I did. but I took what I loved at the time (weed) and turned it into work (lame as fuck) and ruined it for myself. So it was back to the drawing board at 28 working an entry level job in finance with a bunch of 22-23 year old kids who listened to their parents.

I busted my ass for the last 6 years and now I have a kick ass career and I can ski whatever ski I want have whatever outerwear I want go to any resort in any country I want. The reason I can do that is because I put in the work and the only thing I wish I had done was this exact thing 5 years earlier.

My .02 best of luck to you.
 
14510932:supremeblientele said:
its not a waste of time homie, GED should only be a last resort if u dont meet ur expected graduation date. graduate

My gpa is a 1.4 if i don’t make up 4 credits afterschool and not fail a single class with 8 period days until i graduate, i will have to go for another year.
 
14511000:C.R.E.A.M said:
You mean all the people who care about you or have your best interest at heart or have lived more life then you?

Being 17 is hard because you start to get a taste of the reality of the challenges you face as an adult but running away to try and live in your childhood more is not going to bring your childhood back, or set you up to feel better about yourself in the future. You know what's harder then being 17? Being 18, and then 19, and so on.

Take it from someone who took all their 20s figuring this out, I thought I could be a weed entrepreneur and you know what, I did. but I took what I loved at the time (weed) and turned it into work (lame as fuck) and ruined it for myself. So it was back to the drawing board at 28 working an entry level job in finance with a bunch of 22-23 year old kids who listened to their parents.

I busted my ass for the last 6 years and now I have a kick ass career and I can ski whatever ski I want have whatever outerwear I want go to any resort in any country I want. The reason I can do that is because I put in the work and the only thing I wish I had done was this exact thing 5 years earlier.

My .02 best of luck to you.

Isn't old man advice wild? I had a similar experience. Idk about you but everyone gave me the same advice and when you're that age you genuinely believe you know better. Some of us are just harder learners than others I guess lol

It'll be alright for this kid tho. When he's 25 and sick of being treated like a child or a crackhead, he may start to consider what he needs to do to get the office job that keeps him inside away from the welding fumes. But it's impossible to try and dangle that carrot now
 
@Agate420

Will you be alright? Probably. Would it be better to finish and get the diploma? Probably. A year seems a lot bigger when you're young honestly.

If you dip out getting into trades and learning skills is good. Also the kind of work where you're much less likely to get hassled about school. It's more relevant experience.

If you can apprentice any good skills or get a job with some solid people that will teach you do it. If you work hard and do your job people will teach you shit. Some places more than others. Just do your job and don't complain if you're doing some seemingly trivial jobs. Gotta start somewhere.

Welding is great. Personally I don't want to do it every day though. Def would want to end up in some production shop that cranks out a bunch of the same stuff. Can pay well though. Versatile skill for sure.

End the end of the day you're going to do what you're gonna do. The advice seems to be a decent consensus on blasting through shool, taking minimal credits to graduate and moving on. But if you're not going to you're not going to. Best of luck. You'll figure shit out. Just work hard and don't burn bridges. Especially when you're young and relatively unskilled. If somebody gives you a job, and they're teaching you things. Stay at it for a while and learn. Worst thing people can do is burn those first bridges. When looking for a job it's pretty damn nice when you can list your last boss, and he'll tell them good things about you. Burning bridges will get you. It's a big world but a small world.

Good luck man!

@
 
14511011:theabortionator said:
@Agate420

Will you be alright? Probably. Would it be better to finish and get the diploma? Probably. A year seems a lot bigger when you're young honestly.

If you dip out getting into trades and learning skills is good. Also the kind of work where you're much less likely to get hassled about school. It's more relevant experience.

If you can apprentice any good skills or get a job with some solid people that will teach you do it. If you work hard and do your job people will teach you shit. Some places more than others. Just do your job and don't complain if you're doing some seemingly trivial jobs. Gotta start somewhere.

Welding is great. Personally I don't want to do it every day though. Def would want to end up in some production shop that cranks out a bunch of the same stuff. Can pay well though. Versatile skill for sure.

End the end of the day you're going to do what you're gonna do. The advice seems to be a decent consensus on blasting through shool, taking minimal credits to graduate and moving on. But if you're not going to you're not going to. Best of luck. You'll figure shit out. Just work hard and don't burn bridges. Especially when you're young and relatively unskilled. If somebody gives you a job, and they're teaching you things. Stay at it for a while and learn. Worst thing people can do is burn those first bridges. When looking for a job it's pretty damn nice when you can list your last boss, and he'll tell them good things about you. Burning bridges will get you. It's a big world but a small world.

Good luck man!

@

I’m also tryna get another 2 year in something else, don’t know yet but i’m open to ideas
 
14511008:ASSholebomber22 said:
Isn't old man advice wild? I had a similar experience. Idk about you but everyone gave me the same advice and when you're that age you genuinely believe you know better. Some of us are just harder learners than others I guess lol

It'll be alright for this kid tho. When he's 25 and sick of being treated like a child or a crackhead, he may start to consider what he needs to do to get the office job that keeps him inside away from the welding fumes. But it's impossible to try and dangle that carrot now

I would literally put a gun to the head of a stranger and pull the trigger if I could tell myself that I could have everything I ever wanted if I just put my nose to the grind stone for a few years.

My brother is 20 right now and by my standard is super unmotivated but at least he is in a Junior College and working towards graduating or going to a 4 year. I took him to Mammoth last weekend and gave him the same pep talk I'm giving right now I just hope it sinks in.
 
Agate420I’m also tryna get another 2 year in something else, don’t know yet but i’m open to ideas

I never got into it and it's not everyones jam but having electrician skills pays.

Idk. You don't have to necessarily make the right choice. There's options and everything will lead you somewhere. If you work hard and figure out what you want from life along the way.
 
I know a handful of people who got their GED, though only 2 people that are better off having done it. One wanted to graduate early and the school didn't let him so he got his GED, took classes at a college and graduated college at 19 and is currently in med school. The other said fuck it and started a surfboard company which seems to be doing well though his parents also bankrolled all the overhead and he had to work a second job until very recently.

Stay in school unless you wanna speed run your way into med school
 
14510936:Agate420 said:
Algebra 2 is a waste of my time and i refuse to believe otherwise, not one adult i have talked to has told me that they’ve used algebra 2 after highschool. Ged also allows me to start welding school early so i will have a associates degree by the time i’m 19.

I use everything from addition to Calc 4 for my engineering classes and job, including Algebra 2. Trig is literally essential.

You've got your entire life ahead of you to ski, man. Waiting a year probably feels like an eternity to you now, but in the big picture it's not a significant loss. Put in the effort to graduate. Build the foundation now, so you can maximize your skiing long term. You'll thank yourself for working hard now for the rest of your life, I promise.
 
14511312:jimbobs said:
I use everything from addition to Calc 4 for my engineering classes and job, including Algebra 2. Trig is literally essential.

You've got your entire life ahead of you to ski, man. Waiting a year probably feels like an eternity to you now, but in the big picture it's not a significant loss. Put in the effort to graduate. Build the foundation now, so you can maximize your skiing long term. You'll thank yourself for working hard now for the rest of your life, I promise.

Op isn't entirely wrong about the majority of people not using that stuff. Not trying to downplay your statement because the message of stick with it is important. I'm just playing devils advocate.

Does anyone outside of engineering, architecture, or some applied mathematics field actually use that math (other than basic algebra) on a daily tho? There's a lot of degrees that require this shit (at least through Calc 2) and it never gets used; same for a lot of chem classes too. I can't even count the amount of required pre-req and in-degree courses I took that were utterly useless to my job function. I used to be a wiz at that shit and now I can barely remember anything above basic algebra lol (kinda sad tho all that wasted effort). Maybe US schools should be more specialized earlier?

It's like every year from junior high onward, the teacher goes "you'll need this when you get to xyz" or "you can't do that once you get to HS or college or once you graduate". You get to xyz and don't need it. Then they say the same thing. Still waiting...
 
Honestly man, it sounds like you need to just take a gap year and go from there. Live at home, get your degree, save up a bunch then move out west and bum it for a year. Be a lifty or ski instructor or, if you save enough, go just ski non stop. Keep that door open with mom and dad. Hell even most colleges allow you to defer for a year to do a gap year. I’m not saying college is the absolute route but give yourself some options.

You’re also a young American or Canadian so you can try the working holiday route in the Southern Hemisphere or Europe/Japan if you’re Canadian. You can even get trained here then move down to NZ. Work as a casual and ski a lot. Huge demand for skilled labor there.
 
I thought this was a great idea (w/ completing HS too) but I balked and did the college/work. Don't regret it for a second because it can be done smartly and cheaply/free with some extra effort. Got to ski way more amazing places than I ever imagined and could hypothetically ski at least once anywhere in the world RN. I'd never knock the hustle (whatever that is to you). I got buddies who went to trade school, work mountain ops during winter, and crush trade work in the off-season to have what I'd consider an awesome "ski bum" life. There is really nothing bum about it, they work their ass off like everyone else and have everything they need. The living in a van shit is gonna get old real quick because you have zero support if shit goes south and I bet you'll regret it.
 
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