I keep having to crank the dins on my sth2 16s

[shin-bang]

So i decided to switch from pivots to sth2 16. The shop set the new sths at an 8 ( which is normal) I ride a 10 so I moved them to ten. Even at 10 I pop out super easy, I leaned forward in the lift line and my heel easily popped out. Then I moved them to 11 And had 2 minor wrecks and they came off like they were at 9?? I ride my pivots at 10 in the toe and 11 at heel and it's perfect. I just find it odd I'm at 11 and popping out super easy. Do I need to go have a release test done? The forward pressure is set correctly, the head of the screw is flush with the mark and little tabs. (which was set by my shop and I just checked to make sure they were set right) so it's not forward pressure. Also my bsl is 302 and I'm 6'2 180 and aggressive skier.

So, take them to a shop? or bump the sths up to 12

 

[CabbyArrant]

Take them to a shop. You might have a problem with the boot sole or improperly adjusted toe height but just have them tested and see what the test sheet says. It's probably something small.

 

[shin-bang]

Also while skiing by a group a ski patrollers one of the patrollers yelled and called me a swashbuckler. Compliment? Or insult? It doesn't really make sense to me

 

[japanada]

Id take them to a shop for a test and visual inspection and enjoy the compliment! Basically called you a bad ass.

 

[frickindarn]

Also while skiing by a group a ski patrollers one of the patrollers yelled and called me a swashbuckler. Compliment? Or insult? It doesn't really make sense to me

Compliment. Maybe. Swashbuckling is for pirates bad pirates are dope man.

 

[pj21]

This problem seems to have arisen recently with the new STH2 16s that are coming out of the binding factory in Târgu Muręs, Romania. Heaps of bindings are releasing early and the company is considering (or so I have heard from Company reps) to withdraw all the Bindings and have them inspected or replaced to check for the manufacturing fault. The problem seems to be that all the Large Horizontal Heal Springs in the rear of the binding have actually bean constructed from moulding gelatine into a spring shape. This has detrimental effects on the bindings strength. the company advertised the bindings with JTC technology (Jelly Technology Construction) which apparently gives an elastic sensation when engaging ski turns but seems to provide absolutely no structural integrity and inconsistent releases due to the 'jellification' of the bindings as soon as they are put in use.

My advice would be to buy some Full Tilts.

 

[BumpzNtrees]

This problem seems to have arisen recently with the new STH2 16s that are coming out of the binding factory in Târgu Muręs, Romania. Heaps of bindings are releasing early and the company is considering (or so I have heard from Company reps) to withdraw all the Bindings and have them inspected or replaced to check for the manufacturing fault. The problem seems to be that all the Large Horizontal Heal Springs in the rear of the binding have actually bean constructed from moulding gelatine into a spring shape. This has detrimental effects on the bindings strength. the company advertised the bindings with JTC technology (Jelly Technology Construction) which apparently gives an elastic sensation when engaging ski turns but seems to provide absolutely no structural integrity and inconsistent releases due to the 'jellification' of the bindings as soon as they are put in use.

My advice would be to buy some Full Tilts.

/thread

 

[casual]

Forward pressure? Toe height? It could be a million things. How old are your boots? Do you have worn toe piece and heel on your boot? Go to a shop, sign a waiver to legally release them from accountability and they can set your bindings at whatever you want beyond the manufacturers recommended on the chart. If you don't know what you're doing, don't touch your bindings.

 

[shin-bang]

Forward pressure? Toe height? It could be a million things. How old are your boots? Do you have worn toe piece and heel on your boot? Go to a shop, sign a waiver to legally release them from accountability and they can set your bindings at whatever you want beyond the manufacturers recommended on the chart. If you don't know what you're doing, don't touch your bindings.

took them to the shop and did the exact same thing I did. Everything I adjusted was A ok.

to everyone else, forward pressure, wing adjustment, and toe height were all good. Boots were within the Range of being good and not too worn down. Shop didn't have a machine to test release values besides a torque wrench which they said was super in -accurate. So we put them in the vice and compared the release values of the toes just by hand and he noticed the one toe came out a lot easier even when on the same din as the other toe. Sooo we (me being in the back with shop teks) basically just turned up the din till it was as close as we could get to having the same release pressure as the other side. If I continue to pop out I will just be careful and turn the dins up by .5 incrementally.

Tldr, I was right about fp and all other adjustments, and nothing was found wrong with the binders. I just need to crank thy dins and send it

 

[HuckNorris44]

This was happening to a buddy of mine on a pair of sth 13's. Turns out his toe wings were not properly set. Did you check that? It something a lot of people miss and dont set properly.

 

[shin-bang]

This was happening to a buddy of mine on a pair of sth 13's. Turns out his toe wings were not properly set. Did you check that? It something a lot of people miss and dont set properly.

Yes we took a look at them, but how exactly should they be? I read on tgr you want them just touching, but not tight. Correct or are they set wrong? The techs at my shop just glanced at them and said they were fine. But my shop sucks at literally everything they do

 

[last_tango]

The pivot/fks/Nevada design has the second best retention settings in the industry next to the axial 3. The fks is always going to hold you better at lower values than the sth. I'm gonna get hate for it but you will have to ride higher release values if you are use to fks bindings. I have to run higher values on my sth over my fks or I pre release where my fks wouldn't. I'm a certified tech and my boots are new with proper adjustments with release values in range.

There is a reason why the basis of the Nevada design has been around since the 60s.

 

[Nate.Dog]

Yes we took a look at them, but how exactly should they be? I read on tgr you want them just touching, but not tight. Correct or are they set wrong? The techs at my shop just glanced at them and said they were fine. But my shop sucks at literally everything they do

I had this same problem with the 12's, you really just have to do it yourself, my forward pressure and din would be set right and i would still eject on every switch landing, turns out the problem was with the toe height and wing width, the binding seems to just loosen over time so you have to check and make sure they're adjusted every two weeks or so, click jnto your skis on a carpeted surface and see if your boot wiggles at all up or down/side to side then tighten the toe height/wing width respectively, if it does, tighten it until it doesn't, it'll give you much better control over your skis and you won't just randomly eject, once you get em' dialed they're the best binding on the market, but there's just so much adjustability that if something is even a little bit off you pop out for no reason.

 

[PacificRimJob]

The pivot/fks/Nevada design has the second best retention settings in the industry next to the axial 3. The fks is always going to hold you better at lower values than the sth. I'm gonna get hate for it but you will have to ride higher release values if you are use to fks bindings. I have to run higher values on my sth over my fks or I pre release where my fks wouldn't. I'm a certified tech and my boots are new with proper adjustments with release values in range.

There is a reason why the basis of the Nevada design has been around since the 60s.

This is why Look has never and will never make a binding over an 18 din. Marker and Salomon make ridiculous high din bindings to make up for the fact that they lack any real mechanical elasticity, while look has never required it. Cracks me up when I hear reps from Marker and Salomon make claims when the proof is really in the pudding.

 

[Caucasian_Asian]

TMarker and Salomon make ridiculous high din bindings to make up for the fact that they lack any real mechanical elasticity, while look has never required it. Cracks me up when I hear reps from Marker and Salomon make claims when the proof is really in the pudding.

I know Marker used to make a Comp 30. So I hear you there.

Tyrolia makes 17/18/20 DIN race bindings. Salomon makes a 19 DIN and used to make a s920. So because 20 is 2 more than 18, that means that they're garbage?

I'm glad you cleared that up so I can go throw out my 916s.

 

[OregonDead]

Given what you have said about the shop I would take them to another shop to get them looked at. I have to think there is either something up with your set of bindings or the way they are set up. I don't think you should be able to pop yourself out in the lift line even if your din is set to 7 or 8. I have the sth2 13 wtr and I haven't run into any issues.

 

[shin-bang]

Given what you have said about the shop I would take them to another shop to get them looked at. I have to think there is either something up with your set of bindings or the way they are set up. I don't think you should be able to pop yourself out in the lift line even if your din is set to 7 or 8. I have the sth2 13 wtr and I haven't run into any issues.

Yea the lift line story they were actually at 10. and the part that stinks is that they're the only shop in town. I honestly don't know what else to do besides ride them and turn up the din as needed.

 

[gnar_whal]

turn them fuckers up to 16. /problem

 

[Pac2]

So i decided to switch from pivots to sth2 16. The shop set the new sths at an 8 ( which is normal) I ride a 10 so I moved them to ten. Even at 10 I pop out super easy, I leaned forward in the lift line and my heel easily popped out. Then I moved them to 11 And had 2 minor wrecks and they came off like they were at 9?? I ride my pivots at 10 in the toe and 11 at heel and it's perfect. I just find it odd I'm at 11 and popping out super easy. Do I need to go have a release test done? The forward pressure is set correctly, the head of the screw is flush with the mark and little tabs. (which was set by my shop and I just checked to make sure they were set right) so it's not forward pressure. Also my bsl is 302 and I'm 6'2 180 and aggressive skier.

So, take them to a shop? or bump the sths up to 12

the thing is the fks bindings are literally made to not pop out if they dont have to you know? they have a lot of retention and only release when they actually have too so the sth might be different because they dont have a much retention and would result in easier or unnecessary popouts, just dont set it above when you stop popping out as you normally should, thats a blown knee waiting to happen.

 

[PacificRimJob]

I know Marker used to make a Comp 30. So I hear you there.

Tyrolia makes 17/18/20 DIN race bindings. Salomon makes a 19 DIN and used to make a s920. So because 20 is 2 more than 18, that means that they're garbage?

I'm glad you cleared that up so I can go throw out my 916s.

The Tyrolia's and Salomons were never as bad as the Markers.. those things had to be cranked to oblivion... that said, they did their job fine I suppose?

In any case, the Salomons and Markers in particular had to be cranked extra high and have very high tension springs to make up for the design. The Tyrolias actually have always been damn good bindings.

I'm not saying at all that they're garbage, i'm just stating the philosophy as to why look has never and will never put anything over 18 din in their race bindings. Even at a lower din, they tend to hold better more of the time than the other brands while still releasing when they should - and ESPECIALLY with the turntable heels when switch skiing is introduced.

In comparison to pretty much every marker binding, not so much the squires but definitely the jester/griffon/etc, the heel requires so much more tension, and therefore ejects the boot upwards before it fully releases it. The Looks have a far smoother release, and it's way easier on the knees - hence their popularity even when Look/Rossi stopped making them. Salomon and Tyrolia's heels tend to release much smoother than the markers as well so I've noticed... and in this case, it seems like it's possibly more of a design flaw from Salomon's standpoint rather than an actually poor design in the first place. I know on my STH's I have to crank them up to 12/13 or so, instead of 10/11, but at least they do seem to work right.

 

[shin-bang]

The Tyrolia's and Salomons were never as bad as the Markers.. those things had to be cranked to oblivion... that said, they did their job fine I suppose?

In any case, the Salomons and Markers in particular had to be cranked extra high and have very high tension springs to make up for the design. The Tyrolias actually have always been damn good bindings.

I'm not saying at all that they're garbage, i'm just stating the philosophy as to why look has never and will never put anything over 18 din in their race bindings. Even at a lower din, they tend to hold better more of the time than the other brands while still releasing when they should - and ESPECIALLY with the turntable heels when switch skiing is introduced.

In comparison to pretty much every marker binding, not so much the squires but definitely the jester/griffon/etc, the heel requires so much more tension, and therefore ejects the boot upwards before it fully releases it. The Looks have a far smoother release, and it's way easier on the knees - hence their popularity even when Look/Rossi stopped making them. Salomon and Tyrolia's heels tend to release much smoother than the markers as well so I've noticed... and in this case, it seems like it's possibly more of a design flaw from Salomon's standpoint rather than an actually poor design in the first place. I know on my STH's I have to crank them up to 12/13 or so, instead of 10/11, but at least they do seem to work right.

I like what you are saying, and it's accurate, after using both markers, fks, sth, and attacks the least amount.

your last statement, that's what I just barely figured out. After talking to Tom, my left wing was slightly loose, causing my pre release on my left ski. So that's fixed. But as din, I did a side by side comparison from fks to the sth heels . Fks were at 10.5 and ended up having to crank the sth to 12 to have them not start to release. I wish I could post vids via mobile to show what I'm saying.

but dingo Sean, I 100% agree with your statements above with my own experiences. Fks for the win but sth are beefy/solid

 

[Park.]

I have experienced the cranking of the dins on my Tyrolias. Rock them at a 13 (when I was 125 lbs last year)

Now, my pivots 18s are solid as fuck, but I got them for free from my shop and they are really used so the springs are worn. Gotta put them heels at 13 now too so they line up with the 11 din of the toes. OP I had the same shit except I knew about the salomon wing adjustments and was going to post until I read that you found the solution

 

[Park.]

I have experienced the cranking of the dins on my Tyrolias. Rock them at a 13 (when I was 125 lbs last year)

Now, my pivots 18s are solid as fuck, but I got them for free from my shop and they are really used so the springs are worn. Gotta put them heels at 13 now too so they line up with the 11 din of the toes. OP I had the same shit except I knew about the salomon wing adjustments and was going to post until I read that you found the solution

 

[pj21]

the proof is really in the pudding.

Actually sir the correct saying is 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating.'

danke schön.

 

[PacificRimJob]

I like what you are saying, and it's accurate, after using both markers, fks, sth, and attacks the least amount.

your last statement, that's what I just barely figured out. After talking to Tom, my left wing was slightly loose, causing my pre release on my left ski. So that's fixed. But as din, I did a side by side comparison from fks to the sth heels . Fks were at 10.5 and ended up having to crank the sth to 12 to have them not start to release. I wish I could post vids via mobile to show what I'm saying.

but dingo Sean, I 100% agree with your statements above with my own experiences. Fks for the win but sth are beefy/solid

Some of the STH's are solid... some are meh. FKS/Pivots are quite possibly the most durable binding on the market even today - especially the p18's with the full metal toe (rumour has it they're coming back out with a p15 all metal binding next year with a lower din range for us lighter dudes who still want the tough as balls binder). Still, i'd say the P14's are more solid than griffons, attacks, and Sth2's for the most part.. and the upward release on the Look plastic toepiece is fantastically well designed.

Either way, I have every single brand on a pair of skis of mine... STH14's, 916 Labs, axial2's, P14's, P18's, Dukes, Peak 15's, attack 13's, and even some old 4frnt deadbolt 412 bindings made by Vist. I mostly trust them all, so it really comes down to preference I feel.

 

[haggis_hunter]

The Tyrolia's and Salomons were never as bad as the Markers.. those things had to be cranked to oblivion... that said, they did their job fine I suppose?

In any case, the Salomons and Markers in particular had to be cranked extra high and have very high tension springs to make up for the design. The Tyrolias actually have always been damn good bindings.

I'm not saying at all that they're garbage, i'm just stating the philosophy as to why look has never and will never put anything over 18 din in their race bindings. Even at a lower din, they tend to hold better more of the time than the other brands while still releasing when they should - and ESPECIALLY with the turntable heels when switch skiing is introduced.

In comparison to pretty much every marker binding, not so much the squires but definitely the jester/griffon/etc, the heel requires so much more tension, and therefore ejects the boot upwards before it fully releases it. The Looks have a far smoother release, and it's way easier on the knees - hence their popularity even when Look/Rossi stopped making them. Salomon and Tyrolia's heels tend to release much smoother than the markers as well so I've noticed... and in this case, it seems like it's possibly more of a design flaw from Salomon's standpoint rather than an actually poor design in the first place. I know on my STH's I have to crank them up to 12/13 or so, instead of 10/11, but at least they do seem to work right.

Disclaimer - I have never owned or ridden Pivots so can't comment on them.

I have / had most Tyrollias and Sollys, STH16's 14's 914's and Peak 18's 15's 12's FF 13's and 17's etc and I have never had any real issues with them, I don't ski park but I'm a big chap (6'4 and 220) and I tend to charge on and off piste, tress etc and I've never had any release issues.

The Marker comp binding shares no parts with the marker free-ride bindings though. I have Peak 18's STH 14's and 16's and I have a fair bit of weight on the OP at 220 + gear and I have never had a release issue, never had issues even on rental bindings and Peak 12's.

The Tyrollia race bindings share parts with the FR bindings but the overall design does differ a lot, esp on the Tyrollias with the Freeflex system, I had 13's on my GS skis and never suffered any release issues as they require far less forward pressure than the Peak series because of the FF system. Its also worth pointing out that Solly have not used shared component bindings on their race stock for over 10 years. They have used verity of designs, from memory it was the Vist, then Neox and I'm not sure what the latest gen are called.