I just got back from Iraq
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wilkesyachtingco
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^^^ the un would not sign on to the US drafted resolution about two months or more ago that labeled the 'conflict' (its not really a conflict, more like a massacre) the final decision from the UN, under pressure from the sudaneese ambasador, was not to accept the resolution, and they ended up sending AU troops to handle the situation. we offered, they said no.
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wilkesyachtingco
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heres an article about how its being handled.
http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3313647
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http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3313647
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CTD
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i didnt read alot of this, but props on surviving over there and all that jazz.
however, i think it is one hell of a backwards -ass war. terrrorist hate america for exactly this reason. we think its our right to go fuck with everyone. we try to be the world's police force. we do not respect other countries freedoms. if we dont think what they are doing is right, than tough shit, we dont have the right to interfere. and this goes way beyond military issues. how bout the fact that there is a McDonalds Fuckin Everywhere now. american corperations have shipped work overseas, and in turn brought with them american culture. just cause we like american culture doesnt mean every other country does or should have to. thats the thing. to them, america is just trying to rob them of thier identy, and make them into a little american clone where they can produce GAP clothes at next to nothing. its fuckin wrong, and i completely understand why terrorist hate america- i would too if i was in thier boat. and fuck bush, we dont need a president whos not scared of war- thats the worst kind. someone whos smart enough to keep us out of trouble in the first place is way better. im not saying kerry is that man by any means, but hes at least a little bit better than bush.
I still just have no idea how you can mistake your dick and a chicken neck, let alone not realize what you are doing. -manus
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however, i think it is one hell of a backwards -ass war. terrrorist hate america for exactly this reason. we think its our right to go fuck with everyone. we try to be the world's police force. we do not respect other countries freedoms. if we dont think what they are doing is right, than tough shit, we dont have the right to interfere. and this goes way beyond military issues. how bout the fact that there is a McDonalds Fuckin Everywhere now. american corperations have shipped work overseas, and in turn brought with them american culture. just cause we like american culture doesnt mean every other country does or should have to. thats the thing. to them, america is just trying to rob them of thier identy, and make them into a little american clone where they can produce GAP clothes at next to nothing. its fuckin wrong, and i completely understand why terrorist hate america- i would too if i was in thier boat. and fuck bush, we dont need a president whos not scared of war- thats the worst kind. someone whos smart enough to keep us out of trouble in the first place is way better. im not saying kerry is that man by any means, but hes at least a little bit better than bush.
I still just have no idea how you can mistake your dick and a chicken neck, let alone not realize what you are doing. -manus
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estaked
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ok here ill give sum examples i only read a bit of your post...
1. if joe murders chuck
then with sum ppls idea is that bec you trhow Joe in jail or kill him youll piss off all the murders in the world.... but it says he think twice befor you take someone life bec youll die too
2 terrorist well they atacked us... and we went on the offensive... i just think it better if you go after them.... i think killing will piss em off but it will make em think twice on doing it again... i mean US army is strait gangsta we kick ass... and i support what we are doing in iraq in afgan... but you have to realize doing nothin is not the answer
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1. if joe murders chuck
then with sum ppls idea is that bec you trhow Joe in jail or kill him youll piss off all the murders in the world.... but it says he think twice befor you take someone life bec youll die too
2 terrorist well they atacked us... and we went on the offensive... i just think it better if you go after them.... i think killing will piss em off but it will make em think twice on doing it again... i mean US army is strait gangsta we kick ass... and i support what we are doing in iraq in afgan... but you have to realize doing nothin is not the answer
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'15 years old... you cant even take the girl anywhere... you have to get laid in the back of your... bicycle? or bring your parents along... or get a ride... hey mommy, i need a ride over to my bitch's house so i can fuck her' - Josh
'i like whistler, where you can hit on 14 year olds'- Mr Timmmaty D. (telling me he gets indimidated by 30 yrs old women)
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CTD
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yeah, but thats whats happening. IRAQ didnt attack us. bush realized he wasnt gonna catch bin laden (might be becasue he is good friends with the bin ladens? ) so he just slowly shiffted attention to iraq, which was his daddies war. he just wanted to make dad proud. shure, they arnt the nices place around, but they didnt have WMD and they werent planning anything aghinst us. somehow tho, there are all sorts of countries with WMDS that are runnin around unregulated.
I still just have no idea how you can mistake your dick and a chicken neck, let alone not realize what you are doing. -manus
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I still just have no idea how you can mistake your dick and a chicken neck, let alone not realize what you are doing. -manus
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'It’s proven that Hussein gave money to the families of the dead Palestinian terrorist. was there a link between irak and terorism? YES! ask israeli children who died because of this money. '
Fuck I hate the word terrorism. If you were in Palestine’s situation you would be a 'terrorist'. If say Canada just came and said oh yeah we have rights to half the states we’ll take them now you would probably fight them. Israel kills just as many Palestinians and continues to expand into supposedly Palestinian areas - that’s a war, not terrorism; the only difference is methods because Palestinians have a lot less money. I would even say that 'Islamic' terrorism is a war - there is a reason that a lot of people in the Middle East hate the US you know.
“i mean US army is strait gangsta we kick ass�
No the US army is shit. It can obviously easily crush somewhere like Iraq but that is only because of the huge financial backing it has for advanced equipment, air force etc. The actual army just shoots its allies.
Fuck I hate the word terrorism. If you were in Palestine’s situation you would be a 'terrorist'. If say Canada just came and said oh yeah we have rights to half the states we’ll take them now you would probably fight them. Israel kills just as many Palestinians and continues to expand into supposedly Palestinian areas - that’s a war, not terrorism; the only difference is methods because Palestinians have a lot less money. I would even say that 'Islamic' terrorism is a war - there is a reason that a lot of people in the Middle East hate the US you know.
“i mean US army is strait gangsta we kick ass�
No the US army is shit. It can obviously easily crush somewhere like Iraq but that is only because of the huge financial backing it has for advanced equipment, air force etc. The actual army just shoots its allies.
punk_rider
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^fuck no!!! a war = two armies fighting each other. palestinian do not kill soldiers, they kill innocent people. as when israel kills people, it's just collateral to an action against muslim terrorists. if i was palestinian, i wouldn't try to eliminate israel. and i wouldn't be islamist.
Moreover, jews were ther before.
last: the argument that we should fight all dictators is not a good one: to start that you got to start somewhere. why iraq less than an other one?
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Moreover, jews were ther before.
last: the argument that we should fight all dictators is not a good one: to start that you got to start somewhere. why iraq less than an other one?
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ESB
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Um, estaked... the example you just provided is one of the silliest things I've ever read in my life.
If Joe kills Chuck, you should throw Joe in jail. However, if Joe kills Chuck, you should NOT go and kill a bunch of people in another country who have nothing to do with either of them.
Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
If Joe kills Chuck, you should throw Joe in jail. However, if Joe kills Chuck, you should NOT go and kill a bunch of people in another country who have nothing to do with either of them.
Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
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punk_rider, it's really not as easy as saying, 'If I were Palestinian, I wouldn't hate Israel.' Know why? You're not Palestinian. You have absolutely no idea about what it feels like to be Palestinian (I'm not claiming that I do, either). You can't judge how you would react in a circumstance without having been in that circumstance, raised in that circumstance, born into that circumstance. (side note: I support Israel, but for reasons different than yours).
And, um, saying that 'anyway, the Jews were there first' is sort of silly as well, considering that the Hebrews had to slaughter a bunch of people to 'get there first' in the first place (source cited: the Old Testament). According to your logic, we should divide up the world according to which religious group was 'there first?'
Now, I'm confused about this whole dictatorship thing and this whole invasion thing. Are you saying that U.S. foreign policy should be to plan the invasion of every country ruled by 'a dictator?' How do we determine what a dictator is? Is it physically possible for the U.S. to do so? If it isn't, should we even 'find a good place to start' if a finish is impossible? Wouldn't it be very easy to abuse our new license to kill?
Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
And, um, saying that 'anyway, the Jews were there first' is sort of silly as well, considering that the Hebrews had to slaughter a bunch of people to 'get there first' in the first place (source cited: the Old Testament). According to your logic, we should divide up the world according to which religious group was 'there first?'
Now, I'm confused about this whole dictatorship thing and this whole invasion thing. Are you saying that U.S. foreign policy should be to plan the invasion of every country ruled by 'a dictator?' How do we determine what a dictator is? Is it physically possible for the U.S. to do so? If it isn't, should we even 'find a good place to start' if a finish is impossible? Wouldn't it be very easy to abuse our new license to kill?
Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
ESB
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And here's my view on the whole dictatorship think: it's a bit harsh, a bit callous, but this is how I feel.
Know what? I'm sure it absolutely sucked living in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. I'm sure it blew fucking balls. But I don't think it's my job to go get the monkey off of someone else's back. That's THEIR OWN job. The only way that a new government is going to work is if the PEOPLE OF IRAQ want that government bad enough to create it for themselves. It's not the U.S.'s job to solve Iraq's problems any more than it is our job to solve France's problems (and don't try to make a WWII comparison unless you want to bring on the heat, because the two situations are not at all similar).
Seems once I start talking, I just can't stop. My view on the 'liberator' v. 'occupier' argument: I don't consider anyone a liberator when he still walks the street in full body armor and a loaded gun over a year after he liberated your country. I don't recall U.S. soldiers patrolling Paris after WWII.
Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
Know what? I'm sure it absolutely sucked living in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. I'm sure it blew fucking balls. But I don't think it's my job to go get the monkey off of someone else's back. That's THEIR OWN job. The only way that a new government is going to work is if the PEOPLE OF IRAQ want that government bad enough to create it for themselves. It's not the U.S.'s job to solve Iraq's problems any more than it is our job to solve France's problems (and don't try to make a WWII comparison unless you want to bring on the heat, because the two situations are not at all similar).
Seems once I start talking, I just can't stop. My view on the 'liberator' v. 'occupier' argument: I don't consider anyone a liberator when he still walks the street in full body armor and a loaded gun over a year after he liberated your country. I don't recall U.S. soldiers patrolling Paris after WWII.
Wayne: 'I don't own a gun, let alone many guns that would necessitate the use of a rack. What am I going to do... with a gun rack?'
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also like h30 said, not everyone was 'against' you they were against the war, you can support the troops for what they've done but still be against why they were there, and im not saying you guys just all decided to go fight, bush declared war and made you all fight
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I support the troops that are not heartless murderers, such as yourself. you are saying that it is the right thing to do, to invade a country, killing more people than needed. More civilians are dead, because our anti-christ of a president decided that it was up to him, not his constituents(us), to murder people. george bush, and the people willingly over in iraq murdering right now are more of terrorists that osama and saddam put together. So no matter how mush criticism i get for this i say fuck you. i support the people who know its wrong and are over there against their will. i know the military is volunteer, but your presidents childish actions are not, i do not support however, everybody over there who is proud to kill, the people ive talked to first hand that have seen us soldiers lure iraqis in with water, then shoot them. So, fuck the murderers of the us, including you. god will judge us all one day, and your time will come man. if you want to fight, you deserve to die.
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^ im saying you are a heartless murderer
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'bush did what he thought was right and thats as much as you can ask from any president' - WOW. what a comment. maybe im picky but id like to see the president make the decision which IS right, not just the one he thinks hes right. a persons opinion can easily be wrong, even if they're the president.
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punk_rider
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to husksetr or kamikaze: i just can't beleive you really think bush do not care of human lives!! look at his face when he knew what was hppening in NY on 9/11. few days later, he cried. don't be dumb enough to say that was acting. plaese. his father was a soldier and almost died in the middle of nowhere in pacific. tellin bush is stupid. i never saw him happy to see civilains killed. BUT ON 9/11 I REMEMBER PALESTINIANS DANCING IN THE STREETS ...
kamikaze: that's thier own job o change their government!!! man it's not like voting and changing. rebellions in iraq were crushed in blood. and Kurds wanted and tried to remove saddam from power. wasn't our job to help them as we SHOULD have done in afghanistan with Massoud?
i thought we were all here FOR brotherhood between mankind. and here you tell me: let everybody do what they need on their own without help??? i'm over exagerating (i m sorry for that) but looks like watching jexs going to Dachau and thinking 'if they want to get fre it's their job to do it'!!
and for your 'joe kills ' example, how do you know who is a civilian or a terorist (kids? sure man, out of the fact that many terrorist use em as shields). i'm sorry as you for dead people there, but saddam killed2,5 million people. when today 10 iraqis die, it's less than the averge dead people per day undr hussein!
I STILL ASK A QUESTION: HOW DO YOU FIGHT TERRORISM OUT OF THAT? AND HOW DO YOU HELP PEOPLE IN DICTATURES?
the Pope killed communism almost alone (with reagan), i'd love it to be the same now, but it took 50 years, ... and communism killed 80 million people ...
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kamikaze: that's thier own job o change their government!!! man it's not like voting and changing. rebellions in iraq were crushed in blood. and Kurds wanted and tried to remove saddam from power. wasn't our job to help them as we SHOULD have done in afghanistan with Massoud?
i thought we were all here FOR brotherhood between mankind. and here you tell me: let everybody do what they need on their own without help??? i'm over exagerating (i m sorry for that) but looks like watching jexs going to Dachau and thinking 'if they want to get fre it's their job to do it'!!
and for your 'joe kills ' example, how do you know who is a civilian or a terorist (kids? sure man, out of the fact that many terrorist use em as shields). i'm sorry as you for dead people there, but saddam killed2,5 million people. when today 10 iraqis die, it's less than the averge dead people per day undr hussein!
I STILL ASK A QUESTION: HOW DO YOU FIGHT TERRORISM OUT OF THAT? AND HOW DO YOU HELP PEOPLE IN DICTATURES?
the Pope killed communism almost alone (with reagan), i'd love it to be the same now, but it took 50 years, ... and communism killed 80 million people ...
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punk_rider
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^palestos are a bunch of terroristS. they are not all terrorist , but they know who they are and do nothing to prevent them from killing people.
moreover, if palestinians kept their children at home instead of letting them throw rocks on israeli tanks, i'm sure there would be less dead people. palestinians clearly want to destroy israel. israel is ok to live together
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moreover, if palestinians kept their children at home instead of letting them throw rocks on israeli tanks, i'm sure there would be less dead people. palestinians clearly want to destroy israel. israel is ok to live together
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The one who said that some will always hate america because they are free is a damn moron!
If you rape other countries while claiming it's for their own good you will get hated, very simple. Bush is a fucking ass thus making his voters asses too.
Read this calendar:http://cryptome.org/mil-dead-iqw.htm
If you rape other countries while claiming it's for their own good you will get hated, very simple. Bush is a fucking ass thus making his voters asses too.
Read this calendar:http://cryptome.org/mil-dead-iqw.htm
threejay
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Kami- so should we have let the jews figure out a way to take care of hitler? I mean after all, It didnt really affect us at all did it? We really should of just let them take care of it.
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punk_rider
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îsrael looses something like 1% of its population each year ... imagine what it could repressent for USA. arafat does nothing, he is a murderer, i hope he' ll die soon.
and by the way, i have the solution for israel/ palestine problem: us christians should take back our holy land. coz' jews weren't even able to recognize Jesus as the messenger they waited for, and muslim beleive in a GOd that doesn't exist and whose rules are the dumbest ever!
come on guys! i'm sooo sure sooo many of you are gonna take it at first degree and i'm gonna say i'm an idiot! hahahaha! you were about to, and now you can't hahahahaha
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and by the way, i have the solution for israel/ palestine problem: us christians should take back our holy land. coz' jews weren't even able to recognize Jesus as the messenger they waited for, and muslim beleive in a GOd that doesn't exist and whose rules are the dumbest ever!
come on guys! i'm sooo sure sooo many of you are gonna take it at first degree and i'm gonna say i'm an idiot! hahahaha! you were about to, and now you can't hahahahaha
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poor@$$skibum
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why the hate? thats why we faught these wars in the first place. why can't everyone just agree to disagee?
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Punk Rider:^while thousends of women would be dying in football stadium in afghanistan, while guys were totured in iraq ... are you selfish? i think you are
When we went to war with afghanistan it was justified to the fullest extent...there were actual terrorists that were staying within afghani borders in addition to the whole alqaeda base... Iraq never attacked us.. had destroyed all chemical and biological weapons.. when us troops entered iraq a huge demoralization occured as Saddam informed his generals that he had no chemical or bioglogical weapons... so indeed we should have gone into afghanistan there was a true enemy and a true public that needed to be liberated. Sure saddam was a bad guy but his country was in better order than it is now... if you dont believe me pick up last weeks time magazine and read it would do good to all you ill informed people who support the bush led war in iraq including you punk rider
I completely support the troops and whoever said that these troops signed volunatarily that was before the war in iraq.. now to date the army is having a difficult time getting recruits so read up guys itll do you good
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When we went to war with afghanistan it was justified to the fullest extent...there were actual terrorists that were staying within afghani borders in addition to the whole alqaeda base... Iraq never attacked us.. had destroyed all chemical and biological weapons.. when us troops entered iraq a huge demoralization occured as Saddam informed his generals that he had no chemical or bioglogical weapons... so indeed we should have gone into afghanistan there was a true enemy and a true public that needed to be liberated. Sure saddam was a bad guy but his country was in better order than it is now... if you dont believe me pick up last weeks time magazine and read it would do good to all you ill informed people who support the bush led war in iraq including you punk rider
I completely support the troops and whoever said that these troops signed volunatarily that was before the war in iraq.. now to date the army is having a difficult time getting recruits so read up guys itll do you good
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This thread is the biggest bumblefuck I have seen on here in a hot second. JD, -2 respect points. Punk_rider, slow down with the posting you crazy french bastard, you got your head in the right place but your words just aren't making the cut, and finally Alta, thanks man, I'm glad to see you are home and well and that you realize that Bush is not the fuck up that the rest of the world sees him as, much thanks.
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punk_rider
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i do not see any problem if this war was for oil: getting oil independence from saudi arabia (that finances terrorism) isn't good?
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DEATH TO SNOWBOARD-ERS!!
VOTE BUSH!!
Look, I don't get why this is difficult. I thought I explained it pretty clearly. Here, let's let Shakespeare have a go at summing this up. He's pretty good with words and such things...
This is from Henry V (4.1)
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BATES.
Ay, or more than we should seek after; for we know enough, if we know we are the King's subjects. If his cause be wrong, our obedience to the King wipes the crime of it out of us.
WILLIAMS.
But if the cause be not good, the King himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopp'd off in a battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all, 'We died at such a place'; some swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything, when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection.
...
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In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always
Here I am
And I’ll take my time
Here I am
And I’ll wait in line
Always
Always...
This is from Henry V (4.1)
...
BATES.
Ay, or more than we should seek after; for we know enough, if we know we are the King's subjects. If his cause be wrong, our obedience to the King wipes the crime of it out of us.
WILLIAMS.
But if the cause be not good, the King himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopp'd off in a battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all, 'We died at such a place'; some swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of anything, when blood is their argument? Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection.
...
------------
In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always
Here I am
And I’ll take my time
Here I am
And I’ll wait in line
Always
Always...
holyDINOSAURS
Active member
...i love JD...to quote a band
'To save you we may have to kill you
For freedom you may have to die
Number one at liberation -
liberating life from bodies
Helping spirits fly
Freedom from... life'
i have respect for the soldiers that gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan...and i am the first person to give them credit. However, they were acting upon orders of a man who went in, without UN consent, into a country that posed no immediate threat AND it was on a false pretense. Weapons Inspectors had returned twice, saying that there were no WMDs in Iraq...and he STILL ordered troops in. im sorry it just seems incredibly wasteful. but congrats on surviving.
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I NAMED JIBBERISH BITCHES. (thanks to MikeE)
real stuff is better than stuff on a screen, porn to sex, skiing to ns
-C-Man
JC, TMC, S3p, WCJF
i nailed a chick on saterday night, well sunday morning. then at 815 her friend ran into the room say we are late for church. we need to go. haha i love catholic high school girls
-skiingpimp
'To save you we may have to kill you
For freedom you may have to die
Number one at liberation -
liberating life from bodies
Helping spirits fly
Freedom from... life'
i have respect for the soldiers that gave their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan...and i am the first person to give them credit. However, they were acting upon orders of a man who went in, without UN consent, into a country that posed no immediate threat AND it was on a false pretense. Weapons Inspectors had returned twice, saying that there were no WMDs in Iraq...and he STILL ordered troops in. im sorry it just seems incredibly wasteful. but congrats on surviving.
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I NAMED JIBBERISH BITCHES. (thanks to MikeE)
real stuff is better than stuff on a screen, porn to sex, skiing to ns
-C-Man
JC, TMC, S3p, WCJF
i nailed a chick on saterday night, well sunday morning. then at 815 her friend ran into the room say we are late for church. we need to go. haha i love catholic high school girls
-skiingpimp
soup
Active member
shit im not going to lie to you guys. im not american. and bush dont piss me off at all. i dont get it. maybe cause we have a prime minister i dont know. but bush seems like a real cool wnagsta and should be voted again by all teh homies in the crib.
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ARMADAS ARE THE BEST SKI!!!BUY THEM
ARMADA WEBSITE
And no, I'm not getting photo incentives from those ads. If i wanted to do that, I'd just say 'Rip Curl, Nordica, Marker, Level, Astrix.' See? Now i've made money.' - Brad Holmes to some idiot kid from Potland Maine
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ARMADAS ARE THE BEST SKI!!!BUY THEM
ARMADA WEBSITE
And no, I'm not getting photo incentives from those ads. If i wanted to do that, I'd just say 'Rip Curl, Nordica, Marker, Level, Astrix.' See? Now i've made money.' - Brad Holmes to some idiot kid from Potland Maine
^Nay, that I mean to do!! Is this not a lamentable thing, that of the skin of a lamb should be made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled over, should undo a man? Some say that the bee stings, but I say 'tis the bee's wax, for I did but seal once to a thing, and I was never my own man since.
------------
In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always
Here I am
And I’ll take my time
Here I am
And I’ll wait in line
Always
Always...
------------
In a haze
A stormy haze
I’ll be around
I’ll be loving you
Always
Always
Here I am
And I’ll take my time
Here I am
And I’ll wait in line
Always
Always...
KootenayGuy
Active member
as to bush crying and shit, that doesnt mean anything, i can cry for my toast in the morning...poor toast. what if everyone were like bush? would the world be safer or a glowing mound? In the 9/11 attacks 3000 ppl died, now thats horrible and all, but there are so many more incidents around the world where twice the amount, hell, three times the amount are killed, and yet they dont get a sliver of the attention of what happend in the states. now, is that because its terrorism? well, look at all the terrororism in russia, pre-Bush-middle east, and the world, and yet we have no idea. Why did sept 11 get So Much More Coverage? Maybe because the media in the states is monopolised and what they want to plant can then be widley distributed and incubated for whatever reason. Thats verging on Propoganda, Nationalistic propoganda, and I havent encounterd that anywhere else than in Musselini, Hitler and to an extent, Stalin. PPl should just try to be indifferent and look at facts from, say, other countries or something, a clean, fresh source, from a few diff. countries or something. Different Perspectives, kind of a free and clean opinion and thought.
-STARMAN DIED IN VAIN!
-STARMAN DIED IN VAIN!
'i do not see any problem if this war was for oil: getting oil independence from saudi arabia (that finances terrorism) isn't good?' -punkrider
Wtf? USA is one of the few countries in the world whose got their own oil. What give you the right to take oil from the people of another country? Even if a small percent of the population in that country fullfills your checklist for a terrorist.
USA is a newbie-country...
Wtf? USA is one of the few countries in the world whose got their own oil. What give you the right to take oil from the people of another country? Even if a small percent of the population in that country fullfills your checklist for a terrorist.
USA is a newbie-country...
the_friesz
Active member
And you, are a noob automatically discounting any fact or opinion you might have...
'...Smoking's bad, smoking killed my dad. Yeah, he was driving down the highway one day and as he was lighting his cigarette, it blew out the window. So he jumps out the door to save it, and ran himself over. Uh, you mind if I smoke?' -Olie Ollaussen, Ski Bum extraordinaire
'...Smoking's bad, smoking killed my dad. Yeah, he was driving down the highway one day and as he was lighting his cigarette, it blew out the window. So he jumps out the door to save it, and ran himself over. Uh, you mind if I smoke?' -Olie Ollaussen, Ski Bum extraordinaire
Crystal-needs-a-park
Active member
i just got back from the toilet. there was some fierce resistence from the locals but with enough american firepower i put em down. god bless george bush for giving me the strength and freedom to drop that poo.
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You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
__________________
You know the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
once back when i was a fetus i was aborted. it didn't hurt at all, but i was also high on life at the time. - thisangelicrage
its not rape....its surprise sex. you wake up and SURPRISE you had sex with me haha - huckster989
liberals think killing babies can be both fun and profitable, while conservatives think killing foreigners can be both fun and profitable - ice-is-scary
Interesting...
Published on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 by the San Francisco Chronicle
Why Don't Americans Care?
Do you know who Halliburton is? Dick Cheney? How about Karl Rove? Alas, Most Americans Don't
By Mark Morford
Let's be honest. Percentage-wise, few people in America really give much of a crap about what's going on in the hallowed halls of politics and power.
This is what we in the media and maybe you in the media-consuming audience tend to forget far too easily: This country is simply jam-packed with millions of people who have no time for, or interest in, politics, or media, or environmental policy, or education, or global issues, or which presidential candidate lied his ass off about which aspect of his military career and which Orange Alert is totally bogus and how many soldiers are dying for what imbecilic war.
It seems hard to believe. But the general rule of thumb is that major cities are slightly more attuned due to aggressive media saturation and how issues tend to make themselves known more urgently, more immediately, whereas Middle America is a scattershot conglomeration of the politically apathetic and the actively disenfranchised, full of people far too busy with their lives and kids and jobs and zoning out on 'Fear Factor' and 'Monday Night Football' to care about following the elitist, ever dire dramas playing out on the nation's gilded stages.
Most Americans, in other words, have no idea what the hell a Halliburton is. Or a Karl Rove. Or a Donny 'Shriveled Soul' Rumsfeld. Or a Lockheed Martin. Or a Carlysle Group. Or have any idea that Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Or that WMDs were never found. Or that President Bush has taken more vacation time than any president in U.S. history. Or that Jesus thinks Dubya is 'sort of a dink.' Or where Iraq is on a map.
Fact is, in the past decade, TV-news ratings -- cable and network, combined -- has shrunk to a fraction of its former numbers. Newspaper subscriptions have been either flat or dropping for just about as long. Newsmagazines, radio, historical nonfiction: flat or dropping fast. Even the Internet, that vast teeming customizable firestorm of news and info streaming in from all over the planet, even the awesome Net draws far more people to its porn and gossip and shopping departments than any e-news joint could ever wet dream.
Is this unfair? Does it sound elitist and biased? It's not. There have been studies. And reports. And alarming indicators of all kinds telling us time and again that, for example, fully 50 percent of eligible Americans don't even bother to vote (a 15 percent drop since 1964), and many have no idea who's on the Supreme Court or what Congress does, and many can't even point to France on a globe.
Voter turnout, comparatively, in Italy, Spain, the U.K., or Germany? Anywhere from 75 to 92 percent, every time. The sad fact is, the United States ranks 139th out of 172 countries in voter turnout. Wave that flag proudly, baby.
You've seen the headlines. Alarming numbers of American high school students can't even identify the current vice president, much less name a half dozen presidents from history. Far too many citizens can't name the capital of their own home state or recognize their own senators, much less discern how Bush's environmental policy is poisoning their water or how Ashcroft wants to scan their email and tap their phones and suck the pith from their souls.
A recent report by the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development states that upward of 60 percent of Americans ages 16-25 are 'functionally illiterate', meaning they can't, for example, fill out a detailed form or read a numerical table (like a time schedule). A recent Florida study shows at least 70 percent of recent high school graduates need remedial courses -- that is, basic reading and math -- when they enter community college. These are kids who, you can be assured, think Colin Powell is that nasty British dude on 'American Idol.'
And everyone you know seems to have a parent or a sister-in-law living somewhere conservative and podunk for whom politics and news media is like some sort of impossibly dense morass, alien and strange and vaguely threatening, like a nasty, painful growth on their big toe, best ignored in hopes that it will just dry up and go away.
Maybe this, then, is the most pressing question of our time: How to get the vast majority of Americans to care? To pay attention? To read? To effect change and demand accountability from bumbling spoon-fed leaders who count on voter apathy and force-fed ignorance to cram through their environmental rollbacks and homophobic laws and draconian Patriot Acts? Is it even possible? Are we too far gone?
How to make America more like, say, Europe, where knowledge of current events and political intrigue is not only hugely important to the vast majority of citizens but is also deeply woven into the very fabric of daily life, an integral part of the educational system and the café conversation and the workplace water-cooler chats, and to ignore it is considered, well, irresponsible and even a mite traitorous?
True, part of why they care so much is because America is the foremost bully on the block and it pays to know what makes the bully tick. And whine. And kill. In short, as the theory goes, most Americans don't give a damn because we're on top and we own everything and have more nukes than anyone and we're never the ones getting invaded. It's our unofficial motto -- America: We Don't Have to Care.
And this very column is frequently slapped with the accusation that it merely 'preaches to the choir,' and if I really want to affect minds I should consider tempering or sanitizing my opinions for a more 'moderate' mainstream readership, as if the nation was chock-full of opinionated, well-read, temperate thinkers ready to be gently informed of new ideas, when in fact this group is but a fraction, a sliver, far overshadowed and overpowered by the real majority in America: The detached. The disinterested. The intellectually lazy.
So, what's the solution? It is as simple as dramatically changing the way we educate our children, our population? Is it desanitizing our vacuous history textbooks and making media studies and political science and current events as mandatory to the educational diet as macho sports and bad lunches and playground kickball?
Or maybe it's a new national draft? Will that galvanize the rest of the populace sufficiently? How about Iraq devolving even faster into Vietnam 2.0? Is it 10,000 dead U.S. soldiers and nary an imprisoned terrorist or fresh barrel of oil to show for it? How about five bucks a gallon? Ten? Is it legalizing pot and banning guns? What will it take?
Maybe another massive national catastrophe? Maybe a 9/11 cubed, and cubed again, something unthinkably horrific and unleashed upon the innocents and the children and the puppies, something that so jars and infuriates and undermines our desperate empire that even the cold-blooded neoconservative Right can't possibly leverage our sorrow and pain for its own political gain? Very possible. After all, nothing like a little hard-earned apocalypse to make you consider voting independent.
Or maybe it's something entirely different, maybe some sort of potent, unimaginable spiritual enlightenment that looks like revelation and smells like Vishnu and sounds like harmonic convergence and tastes like Buddha and has nothing whatsoever to do with fundamentalism or Christianity or Bush's angry homophobic flag-wavin' God. The mystics say we're very close. They claim the next decade will offer, to those who care to participate, one helluva transformational vibrational wallop. Possible?
Whatever it looks like, we can rest assured we're still not out of the dark, dank woods just yet. Our national apathy is well protected, our intellectual ignorance secure and our fears well fed and carefully, perpetually reinforced by the Powers That Be and the fact that the overall 50 percent voter turnout never moves by more than a point or two, usually downward.
And the Establishment, it only smiles knowingly, and nods, and says there there now. It'll be all right. Just go back to sleep.
Published on Wednesday, October 6, 2004 by the San Francisco Chronicle
Why Don't Americans Care?
Do you know who Halliburton is? Dick Cheney? How about Karl Rove? Alas, Most Americans Don't
By Mark Morford
Let's be honest. Percentage-wise, few people in America really give much of a crap about what's going on in the hallowed halls of politics and power.
This is what we in the media and maybe you in the media-consuming audience tend to forget far too easily: This country is simply jam-packed with millions of people who have no time for, or interest in, politics, or media, or environmental policy, or education, or global issues, or which presidential candidate lied his ass off about which aspect of his military career and which Orange Alert is totally bogus and how many soldiers are dying for what imbecilic war.
It seems hard to believe. But the general rule of thumb is that major cities are slightly more attuned due to aggressive media saturation and how issues tend to make themselves known more urgently, more immediately, whereas Middle America is a scattershot conglomeration of the politically apathetic and the actively disenfranchised, full of people far too busy with their lives and kids and jobs and zoning out on 'Fear Factor' and 'Monday Night Football' to care about following the elitist, ever dire dramas playing out on the nation's gilded stages.
Most Americans, in other words, have no idea what the hell a Halliburton is. Or a Karl Rove. Or a Donny 'Shriveled Soul' Rumsfeld. Or a Lockheed Martin. Or a Carlysle Group. Or have any idea that Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Or that WMDs were never found. Or that President Bush has taken more vacation time than any president in U.S. history. Or that Jesus thinks Dubya is 'sort of a dink.' Or where Iraq is on a map.
Fact is, in the past decade, TV-news ratings -- cable and network, combined -- has shrunk to a fraction of its former numbers. Newspaper subscriptions have been either flat or dropping for just about as long. Newsmagazines, radio, historical nonfiction: flat or dropping fast. Even the Internet, that vast teeming customizable firestorm of news and info streaming in from all over the planet, even the awesome Net draws far more people to its porn and gossip and shopping departments than any e-news joint could ever wet dream.
Is this unfair? Does it sound elitist and biased? It's not. There have been studies. And reports. And alarming indicators of all kinds telling us time and again that, for example, fully 50 percent of eligible Americans don't even bother to vote (a 15 percent drop since 1964), and many have no idea who's on the Supreme Court or what Congress does, and many can't even point to France on a globe.
Voter turnout, comparatively, in Italy, Spain, the U.K., or Germany? Anywhere from 75 to 92 percent, every time. The sad fact is, the United States ranks 139th out of 172 countries in voter turnout. Wave that flag proudly, baby.
You've seen the headlines. Alarming numbers of American high school students can't even identify the current vice president, much less name a half dozen presidents from history. Far too many citizens can't name the capital of their own home state or recognize their own senators, much less discern how Bush's environmental policy is poisoning their water or how Ashcroft wants to scan their email and tap their phones and suck the pith from their souls.
A recent report by the Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development states that upward of 60 percent of Americans ages 16-25 are 'functionally illiterate', meaning they can't, for example, fill out a detailed form or read a numerical table (like a time schedule). A recent Florida study shows at least 70 percent of recent high school graduates need remedial courses -- that is, basic reading and math -- when they enter community college. These are kids who, you can be assured, think Colin Powell is that nasty British dude on 'American Idol.'
And everyone you know seems to have a parent or a sister-in-law living somewhere conservative and podunk for whom politics and news media is like some sort of impossibly dense morass, alien and strange and vaguely threatening, like a nasty, painful growth on their big toe, best ignored in hopes that it will just dry up and go away.
Maybe this, then, is the most pressing question of our time: How to get the vast majority of Americans to care? To pay attention? To read? To effect change and demand accountability from bumbling spoon-fed leaders who count on voter apathy and force-fed ignorance to cram through their environmental rollbacks and homophobic laws and draconian Patriot Acts? Is it even possible? Are we too far gone?
How to make America more like, say, Europe, where knowledge of current events and political intrigue is not only hugely important to the vast majority of citizens but is also deeply woven into the very fabric of daily life, an integral part of the educational system and the café conversation and the workplace water-cooler chats, and to ignore it is considered, well, irresponsible and even a mite traitorous?
True, part of why they care so much is because America is the foremost bully on the block and it pays to know what makes the bully tick. And whine. And kill. In short, as the theory goes, most Americans don't give a damn because we're on top and we own everything and have more nukes than anyone and we're never the ones getting invaded. It's our unofficial motto -- America: We Don't Have to Care.
And this very column is frequently slapped with the accusation that it merely 'preaches to the choir,' and if I really want to affect minds I should consider tempering or sanitizing my opinions for a more 'moderate' mainstream readership, as if the nation was chock-full of opinionated, well-read, temperate thinkers ready to be gently informed of new ideas, when in fact this group is but a fraction, a sliver, far overshadowed and overpowered by the real majority in America: The detached. The disinterested. The intellectually lazy.
So, what's the solution? It is as simple as dramatically changing the way we educate our children, our population? Is it desanitizing our vacuous history textbooks and making media studies and political science and current events as mandatory to the educational diet as macho sports and bad lunches and playground kickball?
Or maybe it's a new national draft? Will that galvanize the rest of the populace sufficiently? How about Iraq devolving even faster into Vietnam 2.0? Is it 10,000 dead U.S. soldiers and nary an imprisoned terrorist or fresh barrel of oil to show for it? How about five bucks a gallon? Ten? Is it legalizing pot and banning guns? What will it take?
Maybe another massive national catastrophe? Maybe a 9/11 cubed, and cubed again, something unthinkably horrific and unleashed upon the innocents and the children and the puppies, something that so jars and infuriates and undermines our desperate empire that even the cold-blooded neoconservative Right can't possibly leverage our sorrow and pain for its own political gain? Very possible. After all, nothing like a little hard-earned apocalypse to make you consider voting independent.
Or maybe it's something entirely different, maybe some sort of potent, unimaginable spiritual enlightenment that looks like revelation and smells like Vishnu and sounds like harmonic convergence and tastes like Buddha and has nothing whatsoever to do with fundamentalism or Christianity or Bush's angry homophobic flag-wavin' God. The mystics say we're very close. They claim the next decade will offer, to those who care to participate, one helluva transformational vibrational wallop. Possible?
Whatever it looks like, we can rest assured we're still not out of the dark, dank woods just yet. Our national apathy is well protected, our intellectual ignorance secure and our fears well fed and carefully, perpetually reinforced by the Powers That Be and the fact that the overall 50 percent voter turnout never moves by more than a point or two, usually downward.
And the Establishment, it only smiles knowingly, and nods, and says there there now. It'll be all right. Just go back to sleep.
the_friesz
Active member
Well, you got the message I guess, so you use what other people say... What the hell are you argueing against... Cause what I got out of this post is: Hey guys, I just got back from Iraq, boy am I glad to be here, now I can finally relax. Find somewhere else to drop opinion-bombs, and at the least you could drop your own...
'...Smoking's bad, smoking killed my dad. Yeah, he was driving down the highway one day and as he was lighting his cigarette, it blew out the window. So he jumps out the door to save it, and ran himself over. Uh, you mind if I smoke?' -Olie Ollaussen, Ski Bum extraordinaire
'...Smoking's bad, smoking killed my dad. Yeah, he was driving down the highway one day and as he was lighting his cigarette, it blew out the window. So he jumps out the door to save it, and ran himself over. Uh, you mind if I smoke?' -Olie Ollaussen, Ski Bum extraordinaire