how do you people say don't support salomon, they don't support the industry? who is a main sponsor for PBP? salomon is. who sponsors a bunch of major comps? salomon does. regardless of whether they claim to have made the first twintip or not should not matter. they put a lot more money back into this industry than ninthward, 4frnt, line, armada, liberty or any other small startup has thus far. i support all those small companies, i ride a pair of MSP's, but i also support salomon and have had a pair of 1080s and i am probably getting a pair of thrusters this season. hate all you want, but for me, they ski well, are super light, and work well in the park too. i'd get the foils but i dont want something that wide.