I don't care if your the president I'm not going to school longer than I have to now.

Uncle.Badness

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I like Obama and support him as our president but if I don't get winter break I'ma kill someone.

WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe."Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas," the president said earlier this year. "Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom."The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go."Our school calendar is based upon the agrarian economy and not too many of our kids are working the fields today," Education Secretary Arne Duncan said in a recent interview with The Associated Press.Fifth-grader Nakany Camara is of two minds. She likes the four-week summer program at her school, Brookhaven Elementary School in Rockville, Md. Nakany enjoys seeing her friends there and thinks summer school helped boost her grades from two Cs to the honor roll.But she doesn't want a longer school day. "I would walk straight out the door," she said.Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School."I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."Her school is part of a 3-year-old state initiative to add 300 hours of school time in nearly two dozen schools. Early results are positive. Even reluctant Domonique, who just started ninth grade, feels differently now. "I've learned a lot," she said.Does Obama want every kid to do these things? School until dinnertime? Summer school? And what about the idea that kids today are overscheduled and need more time to play?___Obama and Duncan say kids in the United States need more school because kids in other nations have more school."Young people in other countries are going to school 25, 30 percent longer than our students here," Duncan told the AP. "I want to just level the playing field."While it is true that kids in many other countries have more school days, it's not true they all spend more time in school.Kids in the U.S. spend more hours in school (1,146 instructional hours per year) than do kids in the Asian countries that persistently outscore the U.S. on math and science tests — Singapore (903), Taiwan (1,050), Japan (1,005) and Hong Kong (1,013). That is despite the fact that Taiwan, Japan and Hong Kong have longer school years (190 to 201 days) than does the U.S. (180 days).___Regardless, there is a strong case for adding time to the school day.Researcher Tom Loveless of the Brookings Institution looked at math scores in countries that added math instruction time. Scores rose significantly, especially in countries that added minutes to the day, rather than days to the year."Ten minutes sounds trivial to a school day, but don't forget, these math periods in the U.S. average 45 minutes," Loveless said. "Percentage-wise, that's a pretty healthy increase."In the U.S., there are many examples of gains when time is added to the school day.Charter schools are known for having longer school days or weeks or years. For example, kids in the KIPP network of 82 charter schools across the country go to school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., more than three hours longer than the typical day. They go to school every other Saturday and for three weeks in the summer. KIPP eighth-grade classes exceed their school district averages on state tests.In Massachusetts' expanded learning time initiative, early results indicate that kids in some schools do better on state tests than do kids at regular public schools. The extra time, which schools can add as hours or days, is for three things: core academics — kids struggling in English, for example, get an extra English class; more time for teachers; and enrichment time for kids.Regular public schools are adding time, too, though it is optional and not usually part of the regular school day. Their calendar is pretty much set in stone. Most states set the minimum number of school days at 180 days, though a few require 175 to 179 days.Several schools are going year-round by shortening summer vacation and lengthening other breaks.Many schools are going beyond the traditional summer school model, in which schools give remedial help to kids who flunked or fell behind.Summer is a crucial time for kids, especially poorer kids, because poverty is linked to problems that interfere with learning, such as hunger and less involvement by their parents.That makes poor children almost totally dependent on their learning experience at school, said Karl Alexander, a sociology professor at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins University, home of the National Center for Summer Learning.Disadvantaged kids, on the whole, make no progress in the summer, Alexander said. Some studies suggest they actually fall back. Wealthier kids have parents who read to them, have strong language skills and go to great lengths to give them learning opportunities such as computers, summer camp, vacations, music lessons, or playing on sports teams."If your parents are high school dropouts with low literacy levels and reading for pleasure is not hard-wired, it's hard to be a good role model for your children, even if you really want to be," Alexander said.Extra time is not cheap. The Massachusetts program costs an extra $1,300 per student, or 12 percent to 15 percent more than regular per-student spending, said Jennifer Davis, a founder of the program. It received more than $17.5 million from the state Legislature last year.The Montgomery County, Md., summer program, which includes Brookhaven, received $1.6 million in federal stimulus dollars to operate this year and next, but it runs for only 20 days.Aside from improving academic performance, Education Secretary Duncan has a vision of schools as the heart of the community. Duncan, who was Chicago's schools chief, grew up studying alongside poor kids on the city's South Side as part of the tutoring program his mother still runs."Those hours from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock are times of high anxiety for parents," Duncan said. "They want their children safe. Families are working one and two and three jobs now to make ends meet and to keep food on the table."
 
You were too angry to pay attention to spelling.

And this has been in the works for years - Obama's not the first to suggest it.

Quit yer bitchin'
 
Screw that, I go to school 4 days a week for 3 hours max each day and I do fine. You cant group a whole population of kids together, what works for some wont work for others.
 
fuck this shit. Shut down the whole public education system. I'm sick and tired of paying for dumb ass kids to sit around and text each other all day. Can't afford private school for your kids? teach em' how to use a shovel.
 
longer than that dude, im almost 21 and it was a debate when i was starting kindergarten over 15 years ago and i have friends that are about 30 (work friends) that remember this when THEY were starting school.
 
Obama needs to fucking learn were in billions of dollars of debt, and to change the country we need to change the economy first, not spend more fucking money, its almost sickening
 
A) The fact that you couldn't even spell your title correctly suggests that you should probably be thankful for the extra hours. More school = less time looking like an idiot.

B) The American education system is a joke when compared with the majority of the world (our higher education withstanding, though with all these bullshit online colleges, the worth of your degree from a real school is going down and down). It's about time we set in motion something to catch us up with the rest of the world. I laugh when people wonder why the US is falling apart.
 
we're in billions of dollars of debt because we have a country full of high school/college drop outs who are idiots and work at mcdonalds and spend government money

whats sickening is how you talk out of your ass. besides the idiots that dont go to school, the idiots that do actually try, will learn more and be able to succeed. and this will learn to people getting better jobs, new technology being created by these new found geniuses, and a shit load of money put back into the economy because they will all have great jobs and make great money that they can actually spend.
 
You want to hear something shittier? I live in Vancouver, where the Olympics are being help in a few months, and my school district DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING OLYMPICS OFF!!!!! It's two fucking weeks and a once in a lifetime thing to have the olympics in your city, and guess what, I have to go to school.
 
well you dont HAVE to. i wouldnt go. i mean id go some days, who wants to watch ice dancing and that shit. but i def wouldnt go to school on like the ski days
 
skip.
and if i dont get my winter break, im skipping school for a week. sue me.
 
PLUS, the skiing is usually some of the first events arent they? ice skating and that sorta garbage is the last.
 
In most scenarios you would have nearly a month winter break.
When I was in 6th grade there was a school a few blocks away that was "year round" and it was more like winter was a month, summer was a month, spring was 2 weeks and various fridays they had off.
I would have loved that schedule.... but that's just me.
Also, I don't believe they would extend the school day to 5pm every day, that is an extreme case. I could see them adding extra classes though after the regular school day for extra match and science classes for kids that need it.
 
One reason why kids in low income families are poor readers is that they don't have books to read over summer and winter vacation so they fall behind greatly in reading. If more school could help the kids who need it the most, then that would be fucking tight.
 
The figures presented only apply to retarted kids who don't play sports and take the easiest classes available. My school has trimesesters, five classes per day. I take five AP classes. There is no way I could do more time at school. I already have 3+ hours of homework a night after cross country practice. If I had to complete more time at school, I would become less involved in athletics and take less rigorous classes. According to educational experts, other countries are seeking to become more like the American educational system because we produce more creative students, who are more innovative. The Asian educational system just churns out students who are adept at reproducing processes, not creating new ones or improving on older technologies. So, why would Obama want to make our country less athletic and less creative?
 
This struck me as funny, i won't go into why...but yeah.
Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in sixth grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School."I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."
Good call domonique. Good call. Anyway, that idea seems makes "wildly unpopular" an understatement. Already out of school and college FTW.
 
Fuck this shit. if their gonna make us go to school for so much god damn longer then they better take out all homework but stil completely against it
can't believe this shit
 
haha, no. There are librarys. Besides you think rich kids spend more summer time reading or playing DS? Low income kids are dumb because their parents don't put any value on education, just like their parents before them. It's a vicious cycle that throwing more money at isn't going to fix.
 
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I think the whole system would need to be revamped. If they add on more time to the day there would have to be less homework. Athletics practices could become part of the school days. Personally I dont learn that well from the lecture structure. I need hands on stuff and to do stuff on my own. But thats just me. I get super good test scores cause I'm smart, but only decent grades cause I cant pay attention to lectures
 
The reason that American children are behind the rest of the world in schooling is because long ago there was a sociologist/psychologist who had a theory that the human brain couldn't understand certain levels of intricate thought until their bodies had fully devloped, and America was the only country to buy into it. This is why back in the day children didn't learn to read in school until they were six, because supposedly that was when their bodies had developed well enough to be able to handle the information. Now we know this is dumb, but it was so ingrained into our education system that the effects are still seen today.

So yeah, we need a complete restructuring of our education system and curriculums, not more school.

Can't remember the dude's name, if anyone cares I'll look it up but I doubt anyone does.

Also thank fuck I'm already done with highschool lol I couldn't handle that shit.
 
fuck that. i get home from school and do homework until i go to bed. i spend my entire sunday doing homework. i can't take anymore.
 
Now i am very upset for you stealing my image, but appreciate the fact that you are putting it to good use. Bravo.

As for the OP, i'm out of the public school system, so sucks to be young and irrelevant.
 
This has been talked about for years. I guarantee you that by the time most of us have children that are old enough to go to school (about 10-15 years lets say), summer vacation will be a week or two off of school. It is already happening. I know schools that started the 3rd week of August. I would absolutely hate that. I always started the thursday before labor day, and my school system went a week later than every other school district in CT. I graduated on June 25th. Fuck that. I had friends who had been out of school for two weeks at that time. When I had orientation at UVM around June 10, everyone else there had already graduated and could not believe that I had not even started finals yet. It sucks but it is going to happen.
 
Maybe if US schools wouild actually teach classes and life lessons that would help kids learn skills that are actually useful.
 
one problem... they asked fifth and sixth graders what they thought about it. why the fuck would they do that?

"Domonique Toombs felt the same way when she learned she would stay for an extra three hours each day in SIXTH grade at Boston's Clarence R. Edwards Middle School.

"I was like, `Wow, are you serious?'" she said. "That's three more hours I won't be able to chill with my friends after school."

... like, wow, omg are you serious...?
 
Doesn't Obama know that nothing happens in school until Sophomore year? (and even then unless you want to be an engineer school is worthless) It's our curriculum that needs to be changed not the amount of time we spend in school. Fostering creativity? Please. Do you think the little Asian boys and girls that make my sneakers are given a chance to do that? NO! They want to learn because they know how much it sucks to work in a sweat shop. We could kill two birds with one stone here: Making our kids WANT to be smarter AND stop outsourcing all of our labor.

And if he is so trendy and aware of how badly we need change, he would realize another problem is all we do for the last two years of high school and all of college (when learning somewhat matters) is get drunk and smoke weed. Drop the drinking age to 18 so a pimply faced 16 year old doesn't get wet dreams over a busch light. Legalize weed so you can tax that instead of taking money from my paychecks.....fuckers.

I'm done.
 
I don't know if that really is your image, I got it off google so it isn't mine for sure, but if it is I gain a lot of respect for you haha
 
+k but i dont know about other schools since ive generally lived in "good towns" and not poor trashy towns, but the whole you dont learn anything until sophomore year is wrong. i was always in high level classes and enjoyed learning most things. i could never stand english but i always got good grades in it. im in a rigorous engineering program and top level math and science. my job will be one more that will add to manufacturing in the united states which i am proud of. also, i dont smoke weed, but i am smart enough to know that it should be legal.
 
"I don't care if YOU'RE the president, I'm not going to school longer than I have to now." Longer time in the classrooms isn't always such a terrible idea.
 
your typos in the thread title and the typos in the paragraph of what you wrote really REALLY fucked up your delivery of this one.
 
You've used this angle to attack me before, no they do not. I have had a full time salaried job for 2.5 years. I am a home owner and I actually feel the increase in property taxes when school funding gets increased. I am the one paying.
 
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