Hypocrites

IsaacNW82

IsaacNW82

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Any thoughts on the new TGR/POW movie "The Hypocrite"?

The trailer kinda sums it up:


It was weird IMO. Like it started off pretty honest and good but instead doubled down on this like "Don't hate me for snowmobiling and constantly traveling and heli-skiing because I encourage people to vote and that's more important" idea. And the justification is that systemic change is what really matters over personal lifestyle changes, which... I kinda agree with, but I think they're taking that idea too far by basically letting their own lifestyles completely off the hook, especially given the influence they have as the "face" of skiing being pros.

Its getting torn up by commenters on both YT and Insta, but other pros (especially the heli-ski pow movie type) seem to be lauding it. It feels like this is a movie by pros with a guilty conscience for other pros with a guilty conscience...
 
Exactly why street skiing is where it's at. Only gas is driving to and from the hospital. I know it's corny but bloom where you're planted and make the most of where you live, if you're always chasing the dream you're bound to crash into things and run over others or the earth. All you crash into on the street is the stairs you shovel. Stay put, ski street.
 
Ski movies r so shitty now man what happened. Idgaf about ur stupid political monologue. Also Why does every fucking ski movie trailer have a slowmo clip of somebody blinking their eyes and skiing pow on a 25 degree slope with piano music. Skiing is so fucking lame now dude I hate it I hate it I hate it. We are in need of a serious cultural revival

climate change sucks big ass balls but the dudes using helicopters/snow machines in order to provide me with a solid movies absolutely 100% get a pass idgaf. They are contributing such a small percentage of emissions compared to industrial farming, mining, billion dollar corporations, car culture, etc etc etc.

this movie looks hella ass tho

gonna re watch teddy bear crisis for the 1000th time. Sorry for the schizophrenic rant I’m kinda drunk rn.
 
Like shouldn’t the fucking skiing be what u choose to advertise ur movies!!! ????? And not ur “athletes” retarded political monologues about the ethics of snowmobiling????? When has anybody ever cared about a pro’s political views. I just wanna watch people get buck asf on skis

like yah it sucks when Ahmet goes redpill unhinged mode like that, but it’s not gonna stop me from watchin/loving his refresh part
 
To summarize this “ski movie”

* spoiled white girl complains for 26 minutes about people thinking snowmobiles are annoying *

TGR is so fucking lame for putting this out
 
That wasn't a trailer, that was a trailer to a trailer. What the fuck are they doing? Just release the trailer when its done, you self indulgent pricks.

Also Protect Our Winters is the biggest greenwashing scam in recreation. Wanna know how I know?

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14593201:smokes said:
Exactly why street skiing is where it's at. Only gas is driving to and from the hospital. I know it's corny but bloom where you're planted and make the most of where you live, if you're always chasing the dream you're bound to crash into things and run over others or the earth. All you crash into on the street is the stairs you shovel. Stay put, ski street.
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This, love riding my bike to street and touring spots right in my neighborhood. And I don’t live in an expensive ski town either rent is dirt cheap where I’m at
 
this is disgusting. these people are openly mocking everyone. they know since they are voices for "climate change" they will be protected, they will always be allowed to do this. but the average person's rights will be restricted in the name of cutting down "emissions", look at britain, there are exorbitant taxes on driving in and out of cities, how are poor people supposed to live? but these "athletes", who are encouraging that, don't ever have to worry about skiing or riding, because they shilled out for the elites and spread their message. fuck these people.
 
14593314:skierman said:
That wasn't a trailer, that was a trailer to a trailer. What the fuck are they doing? Just release the trailer when its done, you self indulgent pricks.

Also Protect Our Winters is the biggest greenwashing scam in recreation. Wanna know how I know?

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how do you know?? do tell more I am interested (0.0)
 
14593201:smokes said:
Exactly why street skiing is where it's at. Only gas is driving to and from the hospital. I know it's corny but bloom where you're planted and make the most of where you live, if you're always chasing the dream you're bound to crash into things and run over others or the earth. All you crash into on the street is the stairs you shovel. Stay put, ski street.
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Yea I think one of my biggest problems with a lot of big ski movies is that the focus is shifted more to the aesthetic of "pow skiing at the best locations on earth" and less about... the actual skiing. I'm not anti-travel necessarily, but I think you can usually convey the art and skill of your skiing pretty locally a fair amount of the time, especially if you live in *ahem* a western mountain destination like tahoe.

And street is definitely one of the best example of this. There's been some insane content coming out of whatever's in driving distance for like 4 dudes in a minivan or whatever
 
POW also living right up to the exact same name that politicians have despite acting like they're the status-quo and for the people. It's only about their careers and not about the people or the planet.

Meanwhile most of these brands these athletes ride for make their gear in sweatshops for pennies on the dollar and sell it high. But oh yeah, check out how cool the newest Salomon ski guys!
 
14593463:SteezyYeeter said:
this is disgusting. these people are openly mocking everyone. they know since they are voices for "climate change" they will be protected, they will always be allowed to do this. but the average person's rights will be restricted in the name of cutting down "emissions", look at britain, there are exorbitant taxes on driving in and out of cities, how are poor people supposed to live? but these "athletes", who are encouraging that, don't ever have to worry about skiing or riding, because they shilled out for the elites and spread their message. fuck these people.
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Most populated areas of England have pretty good quality public transit. If you don't want to pay to drive to city center take a bus. Don't let culture warrior types inhibit your ability to reason.

As for the movie...looks awful. I'm not sure how tgr keeps making movies but then again people will get excited about the latest marvel universe sequel "ant man 4” or whatever.
 
This guy in the yt comments nailed it on the head:

To me, this comes off as a really tone deaf video that's trying to rationalize a lifestyle that is ultimately using far and away more fossil fuels than the average global user. On top of that, it seems today that the role of a professional skier is to personify these activities that are heavily reliant on consumption resources as the sole source of the experience of "joy". I completely agree with Chris Rubens in the fact that individual change plays a role in better shaping the world we want to live in, especially from the people who have the resources (ie upper and upper middle class white people) to make that change. Now, we can't all become organic farmers, but it's important to fortify good decisions by individuals moving towards a "greener" world. By no means should we discredit the systemic problems, and the fact that fossil fuels have benefitted greatly from government lobbying, but we can't just ignore the contribution of individuals because we are only approaching it from a systemic point of view.

This is obviously a very multifaceted and complex issue that isn't going to be solved overnight. Fossil fuels are simply the cheapest way for us to get from one place to another...for now. Without gasoline, there wouldn't be a snowmobile. That may one day change, but it isn't going to come solely from a top down bureaucratic change. Sure, a systemic change will be a good thing, but from someone who has 15 years of experience in the energy industry, there just isn't a short term simple policy change that can be rolled out without some serious monetary impacts. In the long run it makes sense economically and environmentally, but humans are terrible at playing the long game, as exemplified in our current political shitshow. There are many great technologies coming out now, my company even works on several frontrunner solutions of hydrogen energy storage originating from renewable sources. It's an exciting time. However, we can all support these efforts with our own dollars, lifestyle choices, and political will. It's not an either or type of thing.

Having run in the same circles as "professional skiers" and having dabbled in that world myself, I seem to observe this dilemma that arises which I think this video tried to touch on. A lot of people in this community know and understand the real problems we face from climate change. However, they are indeed amongst some of the highest users of resources since skiing and upper middle class white people go hand in hand. With that said, that doesn't make you a bad person. I'm sure Amie is a good person who treats her community well and wants the best for it. Being a white middle upper class person, a hypocrite that uses resources while advocating for climate change, or not being passionate about the issue of climate change doesn't make anyone inherently a bad person. We really need to move away from these dogmatic approaches of judgment and singular ways of characterization. That's how we are going to build community. I don't think professional skiing is the platform for the stage of environmental change and if it were, we need to put the ones in the spotlight who are making real changes. Not saying we need to vilify or restrict anyone for chasing what they love, but let's not pretend like we aren't contributing the problem.
 
Bro top comment to me is my boy Mitch potter... or Pitch motter. He is an OG and a god. And his comment is so on. Based on 5 mins in this video is really bad.
 
NONONONO im emailing their press team. I know its some random homie just trying to get paid. But like this is fucking bad shit.

My fear is this appeals so hard to deer valley people or just rich fucking assholes who want to justify their spending while also being "aware" of their position. This film is made to sell heli-tours. And maybe if you produced this, you should seriously consider switching careers, or the other thing (I gave up saying kys for lent).
 
These TGR people couldn't be more out of touch.

If they didn't want to disturb nature with their snow mobiles they could just skin up - and it would still be a shitty ski movie.

If they want to advocate meaningful change: make a rad ski movie in less than perfect conditions.

Teach people that skiing is fun in any snow conditions and in any location. Guide brands to make the lifestyle more accessible to young kids instead of catering to mid-life-crisis city folks.

Climate change is only one part in the delusion they are selling. They are preaching to kids that they can only have fun in high risk avalanche conditions and only if they are wearing snobby expensive brands. It makes kids turn their back on the sport because this is lame AF.
 
14594580:mikem said:
holy fuck this is so bad. this could be worse than the bunch.
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Funny thing is the bunch used to be the champions of making something out of nothing and producing fresh creative content from their backyards, which is what people should actually be doing if they want to ski more sustainably
 
14594581:mikem said:
NONONONO im emailing their press team. I know its some random homie just trying to get paid. But like this is fucking bad shit.

My fear is this appeals so hard to deer valley people or just rich fucking assholes who want to justify their spending while also being "aware" of their position. This film is made to sell heli-tours. And maybe if you produced this, you should seriously consider switching careers, or the other thing (I gave up saying kys for lent).
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Drunk emailing at 3am is not a great idea. Time to get that drinking under control buddy.
 
14594603:skierman said:
Drunk emailing at 3am is not a great idea. Time to get that drinking under control buddy.
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Calm down buddy, I drunk emailed your mom and it worked out let me tell ya.
 
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