Hv20 vs. vx1000

Two words - no comparison

The VX is over 10 years old. Yes, its a three chip cam, but they're three smaller chips and they're ten years old. You'd have to buy used. It's not HD. Sony doesn't make parts for them anymore.

Positives? You can haz a defflens.

The HV20 is basically the opposite of all the bad stuff I wrote up there, except I believe it uses a CMOS chip.

If these are your two options that are the result of weeks of research, than get the HV20. If you just made this thread out of the blue to get an easy answer, DO YOUR RESEARCH YA BUM. If you did (which I expect you didn't) you'd have found that the VX is no more than a box with a handle (zomg!).

 
That's fine - I've made my fair share of threads. But, not trying to rank on him here, this is an outrageous comparison - the first thing he should've seen if he did research was that one was HD and one wasn't - then he could've looked at specs and reviews and realized one was ancient.

Test footage from YouTube is helpful too.

I say this everytime I post about this stuff - research! You won't be able to buy a camera from what you read here on NS - you should find one that will work for you and not people who post in your thread.

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pictures of both have their benefits. hv20 is HD, vx1000 has many things that can be adjusted. id just suggest you away from the vx cause its real old. i will also say stay away from hv20 becuase canon no longer makes it. go for hv30. best bang for your buck at this point. unless you want to buy my gl2?!
 
Get an Hv30 if you are considering the Hv20 because like someone said before it is the best bang for your money and is an amazing camera. But seriously Google is your friend!
 
hahah um the vx has a viewfinder. im assuming you meant it has no lcd screen. thats true. and i havet kept up with cameras lately but i really, really doubt the hv only shoots 24p. if its one or the other it would only shoot 30 correct?
 
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The HV20/30/40 all lack a true true manual mode. The sensors they have all blow in low light. In the hands of a skilled film maker, the VX is a much more desirable camera.

How many skate video companies still use VX's? How many use Canon HV's?
 
Not that I disagree with you, because I don't at all... but your figure of $800 is a bit off when you consider buying a good adapter. Throw on another $2000 to that and it will be a bit closer.

I know you were just talking about the HV, but because you said 35mm adapter, the price quote is a bit off.
 
Omgzzzz but the Vee EX had a handelllllll and is H3lla LEGIT MAN. IT GETS S1ck Calours.

Yeah I would get the HV30 and learn how to use manual settings/compose proper shots.

Then move onto a prosumer camera such as an HMC150 or HVX........don't get the VX.....
 
haha ok yeah, i thought you meant you thought it literally only shot 24p, and didnt shoot 60i so i was thinking "thats retarded".
but like i said i havent kept up on cameras lately, but i thought the hv doesnt have fully manual controls? i think thats what the dude up there was referring to when he said if youre at all interested in (learning to shoot) film (video) the vx would be a better choice because it has full manual settings
 
False.

The Letus mini 43mm (HV30 thread size) is like 1000 bucks tops.

Anyways to P3ter.....sadly some real skate videos come out filmed with VX1k.

I'm in some huge arguement with these skate kids in my film class. They say that using tripods is stupid and HD cameras (such as an HVX) are only good for intros and that washed out VX1000 footage is what skateboarding is supposed to look like.

They know NOTHING about shot composition past their 700 dollar fisheye.

 
Correct, but that is just for the adapter. So for $1000 you can get a fancy piece of metal to put on the front of your camera.

If you want to actually use the adapter, you will need to spend quite a bit more to make it work for you.

For example, some things that are pretty much necessary to buy:

-Lenses: you need a minimum of 1 lens, but in all likelihood in order to get the shots you want you will have to get at least 3 primes that are fairly fast. This can cost anywhere from $100-$Infinity, depending how many you buy and on your glass, but this is not something to skimp on.

-Rail System: The threads on cameras are not meant to hold the weight of a 35mm adapter system. This will run a couple hundred.

Then you have all the items that you should buy in order to get decent results...

-Follow Focus. You will usually get wobbly footage when you try and focus on the lens itself.

-External Monitor- I anyone to try and judge focus of hd off of the viewfinder or LCD, it is near impossible. Then you need to get a battery for your monitor, just another added cost.

-Shoulder mount or steadycam system if you are planning on doing anything handheld.

Obviously the sky is the limit, but the first two are absolutely necessary and the latter are highly recommended for anyone doing anything serious.
 
if it were me id go with a vx. the hv20 is a good camera, you wont be dissapointed, but honestly i think the vx will get a better image in the end. and when you consider that pretty much all your footage ends up being SD anyway if you put it on dvd's or put it online.

the VX is old, and most likely will have problems, but it does get a great image, i think its much better for skating than skiing footage thougjh.

plus ive just never really been a fan of most HD footage, its just all way overly sharp, and ends up looking EXTREMELY digital. i was just watching 28 days later a couple weeks ago (filmed on an xl1) and i was trying to imagine what it would be like in HD, and it just wouldnt work, it would have a totally different and less effective effect.

IMO if your going to go with HD, you need to spend more money for it to be worth it, something like a xh-a1 gets a great picture, while most cheapo HD cameras just give you video game footage.
 
When it comes to putting shit online, HD is better, since computers have the capability of HD resolution. People who shoot with HD cameras have much better quality online videos than people with SD cameras.
 
super 8 and 16mm are also "obsolete" yet they get much better looking footage than most prosumer HD cameras ever could. not saying the vx is better than an HVX, but i still think the vx series has its place, i still own my old vx1000 cause its beat to shit and nobody will buy it and i film every now and then and each time im suprised at the footage it can get. it may not get the resolution but it still gets a great picture.
 
im just saying, technically 16 and 8 are both "obsolete" yet they are both better than HD, the vx is obsolete but it can still do better than other cameras in certain areas. soooo push me in super hard, cause i like it.
 
I agree 101% on the film comment but I just haven't seen VX footage that has impressed me. It seems like every skate video is washed out, golden tint, and all fisheye with ugly VIG.

Film gives an artistic looks while I just see no benefits of VX over HD minus 4:3 and easy on your NLE......idk. Let's discuss? Hah.
 
At this point, it comes down 100% to original poster's preference. One camera will give you HD, but you wont learn much from it. It will just be a small box that makes a pretty image. The other will be a tool that you can use to learn to shoot footage that will look really good from a technical point of view. One will teach you, and one will limit you in the future if you choose to get a better camera.
 
dude first of all, im all for mindless hate on this site but not in threads like this where people are actually trying to learn something. second of all i know you have a vendetta against skateboarders and their beloved vx's but you can cool it with the nonstop vx hate. stop getting offended that some people (god forbid) still see a use for vx1k's
 
Pretty much every pro skate company films their videos with vx1000/mk1s. No doubt in my mind. In fully flared there was some hvx200 footage, but not a lot, mostly all vx1k/mk1. Not everyone in this world appreciates the 16x9 that the HD cams put out, because with a fisheye on that camera, it doesnt look as good, and you get head cutoffs non stop. You have to have a good computer to handle HD, and it makes no sence if your going to be putting it on an analog TV. So who ever said that the vx's arent used anymore in skate vids im telling you know, your fucking wrong :)..
 
exactly... if you want to learn how to use a camera and really get comfortable with working with manual cameras I would recommend the VX. If your just going out to shoot for fun then go with the hv30 or whatever the up to date one is.
 
i think its better for sure, most the super8 people see is shot from a shitty camera, bad film stock, filmed on an auto camera, transfered bad, or transfered by using a projector and filming that. i dont have a problem with that, i think "shitty" looking super 8 looks awesome, and makes for really cool looking footage.

but when people know how to film with it, use a good film stock, and send it to a really good place to get the transfer done, it can look like 16mm, but still wtih a little hint of that super8 look so it looks amazing.

even mediocre 8mm looks better imo, id much rather watch any film footage over another overly sharp oversaturated, video game looking, staring at the sun its so bright look that seems to be so popular right now (such is life).
 
And this is why everything and anything you say about film vs HD is invalid due to being very film bias.
 
I do need to agree with some of what he said. I watched Such is Life once and never again. The over saturated look applied to the video by Rage (and alot of other HD shooters) looks fake and takes away from the video.
 
yup, such is life is the worst movie rage has put out all cause of the filming. i just couldnt watch it, it was hard to concentrate on the actual skiing, i just couldnt stand being blinded for an hour. there are video games that look more real than that.rage lost what made their video's good. before they were using vx2k's (i think?) and their films had such an original style, all the follow cam's backcountry fisheye follow's lots of skateboard influenced stuff etc... they had such a raw feel to them. with such is life it just reminded me of another edit some random kid on newschoolers made when he first learned how to use color correction and slow motion.
i dont have anything against digital, HD footage can look amazing when its used right, but right now there seems to be a phase where everyone is trying to show off that they are using HD by oversaturating everything and making it way overly sharp. i use digital most the time, just because its cheaper, if i could afford 16mm i would use it all the time, i think any filmer would agree that its superior to any prosumer HD camera out there. im just saying that right now HD is pissing me off, which is why i think this guy should go with the vx, learn how to use it, and not get into the "video game look" fad like everyone else. having the manual controls and still great image will produce a better video than an HV20 imo.
 
Just pick a camera and start shooting... these discussions are incredibly stupid and meaningless.

If you're good, you'll excel quickly with any camera. I can't stress this enough, it's 90% shooter, 10% camera. A nice camera wont make you good, years and years of experience and practice will.
 
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