How old were you when you got your first credit card?

19. I didn't really want one because I was thinking its a big responsibility and didnt need it cause you can pay debit online most of the time now.

but every time I went into my bank they would tell me I should get one so I finally did. I just use it to buy gas and online stuff.
 
13133166:PoLaRpEaK said:
How do you function in todays society without a credit card? You get the equivalent of 1% cash back on most of them, which is a free $100 a year, plus they are super convenient for every single purchase ever. Online orders, car rentals, hotels, concert tickets, vacation purchases, damage deposits, etc...

I got one the day I turned 18, and haven't paid a dime of interest on it and have probably got around $1000 cash back overall, assume my credit score is pretty awesome thanks to that so could probably finance a car for a couple percent if I needed too.

LOL yur dumb. You can use a fucking debit card for all of that shit accept probably car rentals.

And the rewards systems are there to entrap stupid people for the most park(they work). I could rock out a card i just have wanted to avoid it. It hasn't limited me.

I like how you're telling us all about how awesome you and your credit are but you don't even know your credit score and assume its good.
 
13133464:theabortionator said:
LOL yur dumb. You can use a fucking debit card for all of that shit accept probably car rentals.

And the rewards systems are there to entrap stupid people for the most park(they work). I could rock out a card i just have wanted to avoid it. It hasn't limited me.

I like how you're telling us all about how awesome you and your credit are but you don't even know your credit score and assume its good.

Why would I care what my credit score is? I already own a house and a car... and I'm the dumb one.
 
13133236:cornholio said:
yeah but why not get a credit card? if you don't carry a balance you're still following the "if i don't have money to buy something i don't buy it". you can pay it off each month and get at least 1% back through rewards.

Exactly! I'm not saying go into debt I'm saying take advantage of the system if you have any form of self control to not spend more than you can afford to pay off regularly. I just prefer a to use a credit card over debit for the cash back and ease of use. It was also my second piece of ID when I used to get ID'd.
 
ok, I started reading the thread and I feel like people don't know what a credit card is...

you can't get a credit card at 13...that would be like a ATM or debit card associated with a checking account that is co-signed.

That being said...I got mine as soon as I could get one, at 18. I also currently have 5 credit cards, and a credit score of 781.

My husband never got a credit card, until I finally convinced him about 2 years ago. Until then, he had no credit...like not bad credit...no credit. Which is just as bad...can't get a loan. So I convinced him to get a credit card...his credit score is now a 721.
 
my parents set up a small account for me when i was like 14 or 15, then I got a job and I control it now, mostly use my card for gas and other things. i pay with cash most of the time, though.
 
This is interesting to show because there was a relevant story on Dateline NBC or ABC World News the other night about the same topic. A study just came out showing the 6 out of 10 millennials don't have a credit card. There has been a lot of discussion around that and how it can impact those people down the road.

Personally, I got my first credit card at 18 when I moved out of my parent's house and went to college. The first thing I did when I moved out was go to Wells Fargo, open a college checking account and sign up for a credit card. It started with about $700 of credit and now have $6,000. That was nine years ago. I also have one other Bank of America Alaska Airlines card because it is the best thing ever for racking in frequent flier miles. I use the BoA card as my primary now and save the Wells Fargo for one-off expenses.

Not getting a credit card because you don't want to be in debt is, in my opinion, a terrible excuse to not have one. By that logic why don't you just never drive so you can avoid ever getting in a car accident? Having one teaches you financial responsibility and is very important as you get into later stages of your life. Want to buy a house? Want to start a business? Want to finance anything? If you have cash to pay for a house then more power to you, that is awesome, but I don't see that as being a realistic goal these days (unless of course for some reason you stumble across a large pile of cash). If you want to get into the battle of rent vs. own that is another topic. No matter what you can't deny having a good credit score to be a good thing.

If the logic that you don't want to owe money is what keeps you away from getting a credit card, then get a secured credit card as someone mentioned. It will still build your credit but you can't end up in a situation where you owe someone money that you don't have. Just don't wait until you NEED credit to decide that it is time to start building credit. No credit is just as bad as bad credit and it takes time to build.
 
I was 16 turning 17 in a couple months. It was at a grad party and I was super drunk and this girl who had been texting me for a while was there and we both decided to do it. I don't remember much except for the glorious bj she gave pre sex. Anyways she told me it happened really quick (no surprise there) so we stopped texting for a bit then we did it again a couple more times throughout the summer before she went to school.
 
13133591:jensen said:
Not getting a credit card because you don't want to be in debt is, in my opinion, a terrible excuse to not have one. By that logic why don't you just never drive so you can avoid ever getting in a car accident? Having one teaches you financial responsibility and is very important as you get into later stages of your life. Want to buy a house? Want to start a business? Want to finance anything?

Your analogy assumes that having credit history is an intrinsically beneficial thing, which is not necessarily the case. If you're responsible you can get rewards and a healthy credit score, which no doubt are beneficial positions to be in. But I feel like you aren't taking into account the mental weight of that responsibility (this is more of an existential issue than a financial one, but I digress). I can at least understand why some people prefer a more carefree approach to liquid finances, especially when any potential benefits from a credit card can be achieved through other means.

If you're a person of sound character and willing to put forth a little effort in a short timeframe (rather than spreading it out over the course of your life by having a FICO gremlin drooling on your shoulder), you can get a mortgage without ever touching a credit card. Find a manual underwriter (true these aren't on every street corner, but fuck Wells Fargo anyway), put down at least 20% in cash (you should have this by the time you need a mortgage, assuming you're smart with your finances/investments leading up to this point), choose 15-year fixed rate, and have documentation of a good employment history and a few years of paying utility bills on time. Your desired lifestyle is a huge part as well; if you want to live in a giant McMansion, then yeah, you're going to be much more reliant on FICO unless you happen to have millions of dollars in cash lining your walls. If you're smart and like to live well below your means, then the net gain from a credit card diminishes proportionately.

13133591:jensen said:
If the logic that you don't want to owe money is what keeps you away from getting a credit card, then get a secured credit card as someone mentioned. It will still build your credit but you can't end up in a situation where you owe someone money that you don't have. Just don't wait until you NEED credit to decide that it is time to start building credit. No credit is just as bad as bad credit and it takes time to build.

Secured credit cards are definitely the way to go, in my opinion. But bad credit and no credit are not exactly the same thing. Bad credit is a positive indication of high risk for the lender, while no credit is an unknown. And since lenders are risk averse by trade, they aren't the type to grant a loan to "maybe" just as much as they aren't going to grant a loan to a bad score. The difference is that no score is easy to fix while a bad score takes more work, and I'm not even addressing the slew of psychological and lifestyle hurdles in that scenario.

Of course, you're the CPA so I assume you have a pretty good handle on this stuff as well. Feel free to put me in my place.

p.s. This is younger Tanaka brother speaking. I pussed out of finance and went into accounting, so I'm probably pretty biased.
 
with my 16th birthday coming up i plan to get one around then to build credit for my future. but im for sure not going to get one until i get a job and start making money.
 
I came to this thread for a poll; where is the fucking poll? NSG you're such a fucking letdown lately...

13133835:lIllI said:
no score is easy to fix while a bad score takes more work

This is the truth.

At one point my wife had "no credit", as in not enough of an established credit history to merit a FICO score. Within 2 months of her being added to my credit card, she had a credit score of 755.

There are so many ways to establish and stimulate your credit score without a credit card. Having a credit card is hardly mandatory in my opinion. Although I have one single credit card. I buy shit and I pay off the statement completely before it's due; using it more or less as a debit card and spending what cash I already have instead of going into debt and borrowing outside of my means.

Bad credit however takes some time to correct. Although I wonder how many people that struggle with bad credit wonder if it would've been easier to live within their means and/or pay their fucking bills on time to begin with; or if all of the high interest rates, collections agencies, and loan denials are worth it.
 
13133835:lIllI said:
Your analogy assumes that having credit history is an intrinsically beneficial thing, which is not necessarily the case. If you're responsible you can get rewards and a healthy credit score, which no doubt are beneficial positions to be in. But I feel like you aren't taking into account the mental weight of that responsibility (this is more of an existential issue than a financial one, but I digress). I can at least understand why some people prefer a more carefree approach to liquid finances, especially when any potential benefits from a credit card can be achieved through other means.

If you're a person of sound character and willing to put forth a little effort in a short timeframe (rather than spreading it out over the course of your life by having a FICO gremlin drooling on your shoulder), you can get a mortgage without ever touching a credit card. Find a manual underwriter (true these aren't on every street corner, but fuck Wells Fargo anyway), put down at least 20% in cash (you should have this by the time you need a mortgage, assuming you're smart with your finances/investments leading up to this point), choose 15-year fixed rate, and have documentation of a good employment history and a few years of paying utility bills on time. Your desired lifestyle is a huge part as well; if you want to live in a giant McMansion, then yeah, you're going to be much more reliant on FICO unless you happen to have millions of dollars in cash lining your walls. If you're smart and like to live well below your means, then the net gain from a credit card diminishes proportionately.

Secured credit cards are definitely the way to go, in my opinion. But bad credit and no credit are not exactly the same thing. Bad credit is a positive indication of high risk for the lender, while no credit is an unknown. And since lenders are risk averse by trade, they aren't the type to grant a loan to "maybe" just as much as they aren't going to grant a loan to a bad score. The difference is that no score is easy to fix while a bad score takes more work, and I'm not even addressing the slew of psychological and lifestyle hurdles in that scenario.

Of course, you're the CPA so I assume you have a pretty good handle on this stuff as well. Feel free to put me in my place.

p.s. This is younger Tanaka brother speaking. I pussed out of finance and went into accounting, so I'm probably pretty biased.

Ha, what up Landis. This is good stuff. I can definetely agree about the stress of owing money and think you make good points, especially from a nonfinancial perspective. My concern is that I think you may be kidding yourself how easy it would be to find a mortgage without a FICO score. I haven't really done any research on the subject so I am not going to claim to know, but I can tell you that any of the traditional lending routes are going to want to see a FICO score. Also, I would like to take back my earlier comment about getting a credit card teaches you financial responsibility. You can get that same effect out of a debit card or cash, bottom line is pay your bills each month (no matter how you do it). As for the stress, in my opinion, it is easier to pay off one credit card bill each month instead of five seperate smaller bills. Any expense that I can set-up auto pay for goes to my credit card. At the end of the month I pay my credit card. One bill to replace numerous others.

There are other options to building credit without a credit card. Loans work great. I once knew someone who had an awesome credit score BECAUSE they totalled like two or three cars. There were loans on the cars, covered by gap insurance for any outstanding loan amount. When the car was totalled insurance pays off the loan. Boom, you just had a good size loan outstanding that was paid in full. However, I wouldn't go buy a car and wreck it just to build credit, ha. Just an illustrative example.

Then there is the other consideration of not buying into credit as a way of sticking it to the man (for lack of better words). This is a pretty deep and complex topic and I am not gonna act like I have a strong opinion one way or the other. Banks can suck, yes, but banks are also absolutely imperative to our society functioning how it does (for better or worse). The world is build on credit. From a business perspective it would be nearly impossible to grow without being able to leverage financial resources. Whether business growing the way they do is good or bad is another debate and is why I am not going to claim a strong opinion either way. I am all for small business but there are also some big businesses that can't be done on a small scale. Anyways, that is getting off topic of credit scores.

My main point is don't wait until you need a FICO score to start building credit. Having a fraction of a percent off a mortgage interest rate will save you thousands of dollars down the road. I never really fully understood just how much interest you pay on a large loan until I was in intermediate accounting and had to make ammortization tables. On a 30 year mortgage you can end up paying nearly as much on interest as you do on principal, during the beginning loan payments you can be paying 75% interest and 25% principal. Same is true with any large loan. A 15-year obviously saves a bunch of money on interest, but you have to consider how long it will take you to save up and make enough for a 15-year. What I think is better advice is to get a 30-year mortgage and pay it off like it is a 15. If you do this you have to be sure there isn't any minimum mortgage interest or some BS in your loan that says no matter what you'll pay this much money. But if you do a 30-year and treat it like a 15-year you have the security of making smaller payments if you come across hard times. Getting yourself committed to high monthly payments can be dangerous.

I could go on and on so I'll just stop.

/end

TL:DR - don't wait until you need a credit score to decide you should start building credit.
 
I've had a few since I was 18. Never racked them out to much have probably paid a few $100 in interest maybe more due to college. I use my Aeroplan Visa the most, I've gone to Bali, Hawaii and Florida on points so it get's used the most.

I would suggest getting one as soon as you can so that you can build your credit, if you use it for everything you'll enjoy the rewards just remember to keep paying it off. I've heard of some nasty stories of debt because of them.
 
13132268:Jeebus. said:
Fuck that, I'm 22 and i still refuse to get one, i hate owing people money.

you clearly still live with your parents.

it's simple though: if you don't want to owe people money, don't buy anything unless you have the money.
 
13133464:theabortionator said:
LOL yur dumb. You can use a fucking debit card for all of that shit accept probably car rentals.

but why would you want to use a debit card? That's retarded. If someone steals your debit card and withdraws money, you're not getting that money back. It's gone. If someone steals your credit card and withdraws money, it's covered by the card company and you're not on the hook for the money. Constantly using a debit card in this day and age where you can buy a RFID reader to attach to a smartphone or an infrared reader for your camera/smartphone it really is easy to do theft.

think: someone types in their pin at a machine somewhere, soon as theyre done you take an infrared picture of the keypad and you get their pin already in the right order due to the temperature difference on they key. mug the person for their card and withdraw from their bank account. The person is fucked, they are not seeing that money again. if it's a credit card at least they're not responsible for the money.
 
I'm almost 22 and I still don't have one, probably should get on that. I've been happy with a debit card and a savings account for a while but it's definitely a good idea to start building credit
 
Finally applied for one the other day at 22 y/o

My current bank takes 13$/month for unlimited transactions while the credit card gives 1% cash back on purchases. With some self control and organization it seems like a no brainer... and credit score will increase. yay.
 
credit cards are either the best thing ever, or the worst thing ever.

all depends on your self control.
 
13132658:Bart.Man said:
SSHOPPIIIING!

I'm 20 and have yet to get one. Fuck that. They're another thing to worry about, especially as a student. The terms for student cards are ridiculous.

No they're fucking not. Or do you live in that shithole America?
 
16, it was under my name, but my parents paid the bills. I only used it for gas.

Got a debit card linked to my checking account at 18 that I primarily use now.
 
13132807:theabortionator said:
25and don't have one but probably going to grab one through my bank when I get back to murica. Just going to use it for things I'm going to buy with my debit card anyway or things i need like gas and groceries. Not going to go on a yolo spending spree.

I just want to build up some credit so I can get a loan to buy a house. Might try to get one in the next few years. Not sure where but might go for it and rent it out if I move.

25 here and still just debit card and mostly pay cash for things.

Back in 'Murica and just went to my bank to get my account straightened out and applied for a credit card.

Hopefully I get it soon so I can hit the mall and buy everything! But really pretty stoked. Hopefully I get it, don't see why I wouldn't. It's through my bank so I can pay it off really easily and if I wasn't online and traveling could even pay it off at the bank.

Going to start small with gas purchases and maybe some of the online stuff I buy like concert tickets. Probably won't use it for more than that, at least for a while. I'm going to have to force myself to use it. I prefer to use cash for everything even instead of my debit card. But def want to get my credit score happening and all that.

Also maybe it to 25, under 3 months from being 26 so I've survived plenty long without one. Pretty much just grabbing one for car rentals, hotels(never gotten shut out with cash or the debit but in case), emergencies, and if I want to buy a house which I do if I can ever afford it and can decide on a location.
 
28, but it's a secured credit card with a small limit. Don't really use it much, just have it for the times you need a credit card. Hell, I didn't get my first cell phone until last year at 29.
 
I'm not sure why some people are completely refusing to get a credit card. it's true, they're a pain in the ass, but they're absolutely necessary in today's society. you'll never get a loan out of college without decent credit. buying a house? you need credit. etc.

to be honest, I hated the idea of getting one when I was 18-22. so I didn't. I had no debt, no loans, not shit. I paid for everything in cash or with my debit card. then I realized, oh fuck, I don't have any credit. took me about 8 applications over the course of 6 months for someone to give me a card. not even my own bank that I had an account with since I was 15 gave me one.

I'm 26 now, and have had my single credit card for 3 years or so. I've never had a balance at the end of the month. I never buy something I can't afford 2x over. I pay my bill as soon as it comes on my phone application. I get 1% cash back, which who cares, I get some extra beer money every few months, but better than nothing. now my credit is upper 700s, which frankly, I have no fucking idea what that means. I'm just hoping that when I buy a house in a few years, it goes smoothly.

advice: get a card when you can. try to get one that doesn't have an annual fee. any reward points or whatever, good added bonus. pay your card immediately. build credit. just one of those things you gotta do when you get older. fuckin lame.
 
13244979:proZach said:
you'll never get a loan out of college without decent credit. buying a house? you need credit. etc.

When you come from a well-off family (which, I'd imagine, is the case for many skiers), the marginal benefits of consumer credit get slimmer. If your college is completely paid for in cash, you're halfway towards having enough cash to build a house, and are earning around 10% returns on your investments, credit cards lose most (if not all) of their appeal.

Also, those cash back benefits are not free money. They are dividends.
 
My mom threw me on her credit card account when I went away to school at 18. I just got my first me only credit card a few months ago at 23.
 
13245055:lIllI said:
When you come from a well-off family (which, I'd imagine, is the case for many skiers), the marginal benefits of consumer credit get slimmer. If your college is completely paid for in cash, you're halfway towards having enough cash to build a house, and are earning around 10% returns on your investments, credit cards lose most (if not all) of their appeal.

Also, those cash back benefits are not free money. They are dividends.

Sure, but I have no idea what that means. All I'm trying to say is shitty/no credit isn't good, might as well build credit when you can.

And regardless of how well off my family is, and that my college is paid for, I'm pretty broke and live on my own.
 
Got one at 18 to start building credit. Just use it for groceries and other various necessities. Otherwise I still use my debit card for a lot of things.
 
13134656:jensen said:
Ha, what up Landis. This is good stuff. I can definetely agree about the stress of owing money and think you make good points, especially from a nonfinancial perspective. My concern is that I think you may be kidding yourself how easy it would be to find a mortgage without a FICO score. I haven't really done any research on the subject so I am not going to claim to know, but I can tell you that any of the traditional lending routes are going to want to see a FICO score. Also, I would like to take back my earlier comment about getting a credit card teaches you financial responsibility. You can get that same effect out of a debit card or cash, bottom line is pay your bills each month (no matter how you do it). As for the stress, in my opinion, it is easier to pay off one credit card bill each month instead of five seperate smaller bills. Any expense that I can set-up auto pay for goes to my credit card. At the end of the month I pay my credit card. One bill to replace numerous others.

There are other options to building credit without a credit card. Loans work great. I once knew someone who had an awesome credit score BECAUSE they totalled like two or three cars. There were loans on the cars, covered by gap insurance for any outstanding loan amount. When the car was totalled insurance pays off the loan. Boom, you just had a good size loan outstanding that was paid in full. However, I wouldn't go buy a car and wreck it just to build credit, ha. Just an illustrative example.

Then there is the other consideration of not buying into credit as a way of sticking it to the man (for lack of better words). This is a pretty deep and complex topic and I am not gonna act like I have a strong opinion one way or the other. Banks can suck, yes, but banks are also absolutely imperative to our society functioning how it does (for better or worse). The world is build on credit. From a business perspective it would be nearly impossible to grow without being able to leverage financial resources. Whether business growing the way they do is good or bad is another debate and is why I am not going to claim a strong opinion either way. I am all for small business but there are also some big businesses that can't be done on a small scale. Anyways, that is getting off topic of credit scores.

My main point is don't wait until you need a FICO score to start building credit. Having a fraction of a percent off a mortgage interest rate will save you thousands of dollars down the road. I never really fully understood just how much interest you pay on a large loan until I was in intermediate accounting and had to make ammortization tables. On a 30 year mortgage you can end up paying nearly as much on interest as you do on principal, during the beginning loan payments you can be paying 75% interest and 25% principal. Same is true with any large loan. A 15-year obviously saves a bunch of money on interest, but you have to consider how long it will take you to save up and make enough for a 15-year. What I think is better advice is to get a 30-year mortgage and pay it off like it is a 15. If you do this you have to be sure there isn't any minimum mortgage interest or some BS in your loan that says no matter what you'll pay this much money. But if you do a 30-year and treat it like a 15-year you have the security of making smaller payments if you come across hard times. Getting yourself committed to high monthly payments can be dangerous.

I could go on and on so I'll just stop.

/end

TL:DR - don't wait until you need a credit score to decide you should start building credit.

Not sure how I didn't see this earlier...

You make some very good points. Compound interest is a financial tsunami and I think everyone should at least understand how it affects them when making decisions. I realize I'm in the minority considering my circumstances, and for the "typical" American I also see more upsides to a credit score. I'm just tired of people saying that you NEED one to function in today's society because that is fundamentally wrong (albeit very unorthodox, I realize), and most people who say that have little understanding of finance and are just regurgitating some predatory drivel that was fed to them by a sleazy bank teller (not you of course). I think the biggest drawback to my approach is that it takes a much more financial planning and active management, which is understandably unappealing to most people for a variety of reasons (and for the average Joe, I don't blame them one bit). I know how reliant we are as a society on credit, so my comments apply specifically to consumer credit branches (not to say that I don't feel the world is necessarily a better place because of the "higher" standard of living that they have afforded us, but that is a whole different philosophical topic that has almost nothing to do with finance).

13245092:proZach said:
no credit isn't good

Necessarily or generally?

Is this an informed financial opinion, or are you basing your beliefs off of what some guy in a suit told your parents, who then passed it onto you? I'm not saying you're "wrong" by any means - I'm just curious as to what you're basing that on.

The bottom line is that the role of credit in a person's life is a subjective issue that depends on a number of factors, including your risk tolerance, financial goals, and philosophical beliefs.
 
13245118:theabortionator said:
not really but whatever

maybe that was a big hyperbole lol

13245207:lIllI said:
Necessarily or generally?

Is this an informed financial opinion, or are you basing your beliefs off of what some guy in a suit told your parents, who then passed it onto you? I'm not saying you're "wrong" by any means - I'm just curious as to what you're basing that on.

The bottom line is that the role of credit in a person's life is a subjective issue that depends on a number of factors, including your risk tolerance, financial goals, and philosophical beliefs.

honestly, I'm not sure. I don't know much about credit aside from people telling me it's important. I know when my father was trying to buy a house with my mother, he had no credit and it took them a while to finally get a loan/mortgage/whatever.

I really don't mind being wrong, this is a topic I don't know much about. but if there's a super simple way to put it, I'm happy to read about it.
 
13245291:proZach said:
maybe that was a big hyperbole lol

honestly, I'm not sure. I don't know much about credit aside from people telling me it's important. I know when my father was trying to buy a house with my mother, he had no credit and it took them a while to finally get a loan/mortgage/whatever.

I really don't mind being wrong, this is a topic I don't know much about. but if there's a super simple way to put it, I'm happy to read about it.

Well I don't know one way or the other, but I do know that with myself waiting until 28 to get a credit card, or build credit in any real way, I entered the credit game with a very good credit score. That being said, from what I can see, most people i know who keep getting bigger and bigger credit offers are also always in quite the debt with the banks.

So the question arises again about the validity of credita necessity to this thing called life. Is it better to not play the credit game and know what is what, or constantly chewing more than you can swallow. From my perspective, the American economy is failing due to everyone being in debt - credit scores be damned.

The whole thing (life) is about as subjective as it gets. There is nothing saying you can't save up money over the years and buy a cheep house for almost cash. Everything is a choice, nothing is required, and there are no guarantees.
 
i got one at 18 and it fucking sucks.

Its super convenient, especially when I am in America, which I am alot but fuck it. I always have credit card "debt" looming over my head, im so bad with paying that shit off.

It pretty much feels like free money to me, especially sometimes when im at the bar.
 
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