How much do you think the camera is worth that zootspace was filmed on.

weastcoat

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Me and a few homies were talking about this on the chair today. Sounds dumb but to the right buyer the value of a camera could theoretically go up simply due to the amount of heat stacked on it (or the array of HMC’s/HVX’s used to make not only the film, but lots of other legendary edits made by sanch and hoblitzelle. Considering that the lens used for it aka Century XTreme is discontinued and is selling for $7,000 now on eBay, and the sheer volume of timeless film that’s been taken on that camera, how much would y’all value it? I feel like it could sell for at least 10 grand down the road.
 
Idk about the camera lense nerdery itself and I'm sure it's valuable but you may be greatly overestimating the demand for their cam in particular
 
Ski industry mfs are not near as wealthy as like skate industry shit, probably the same price tbh unless it’s someone who dick rides zootspace and buys their merch and wants jets so bad
 
14362504:MaimHelp said:
Ski industry mfs are not near as wealthy as like skate industry shit, probably the same price tbh unless it’s someone who dick rides zootspace and buys their merch and wants jets so bad
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This is the target audience
 
I’d sell my left nut for Oliver hoblitzelles hpx and Xtreme. I’d never pay for one tho cause hpx prices are nuts and Xtremes are a waste of money as good as I think they look
 
I have held both the main cams used to film the video. Oli’s is in great shape and probably worth a decent bit. Sanch’s, nah, she’s pretty beat. Oli’s xtreme is mint if I remember, and Sanch’s has a pretty good scratch. So oli’s set up with xtreme, close to 10k cause the xtreme is for the hpx. Sanch’s I’d say significantly less. 10 grand is perfectly reasonable for anyone’s good xtreme and hpx setup in the current market. I guarantee you those cameras will gain no value for being used to film the zootspace movie, would be a cool prop in the background of a podcast cause it has a story but to be filmed with will cost whatever the markets at

topic:weastcoat said:
Me and a few homies were talking about this on the chair today. Sounds dumb but to the right buyer the value of a camera could theoretically go up simply due to the amount of heat stacked on it (or the array of HMC’s/HVX’s used to make not only the film, but lots of other legendary edits made by sanch and hoblitzelle. Considering that the lens used for it aka Century XTreme is discontinued and is selling for $7,000 now on eBay, and the sheer volume of timeless film that’s been taken on that camera, how much would y’all value it? I feel like it could sell for at least 10 grand down the road.
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If there’s an hpx xtreme on eBay it will sell real fast if it’s around >=8k. Skateboarders are stockpiling those bad boys
 
14362529:Jon_McMurry said:
If there’s an hpx xtreme on eBay it will sell real fast if it’s around >=8k. Skateboarders are stockpiling those bad boys
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hoard every fucking vx
 
14362514:WoFlowz said:
I’d sell my left nut for Oliver hoblitzelles hpx and Xtreme. I’d never pay for one tho cause hpx prices are nuts and Xtremes are a waste of money as good as I think they look
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Enlighten me on difference between hpx170 and hvx200
 
14362549:weastcoat said:
Enlighten me on difference between hpx170 and hvx200
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Are you asking me which camera will reach full obsolescence first? Because the answer doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is the content. If you guys gonna labor over shooting onto miniDV or whatever dumbass medium then I'm gonna point out that you are adding extra steps to your workflow. Sorry to sound like a grouch, but it's 2021 and the cameras literally are meaningless at this point.
 
14362549:weastcoat said:
Enlighten me on difference between hpx170 and hvx200
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One has a mini dv tape compartment and on doesn’t and has a slightly updated sensor. Hpx is almost 2 lbs lighter and has a 72mm filter ring not a 82mm. But the footy looks basically the same. The HVX is older also
 
14362551:ArgyleNJ said:
Are you asking me which camera will reach full obsolescence first? Because the answer doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is the content. If you guys gonna labor over shooting onto miniDV or whatever dumbass medium then I'm gonna point out that you are adding extra steps to your workflow. Sorry to sound like a grouch, but it's 2021 and the cameras literally are meaningless at this point.
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sometimes it’s not about streamlining the process but more about enjoying the particular artifacts and physical rituals to a camera

you right tho the camera doesn’t matter it’s the content, though stylistically some cameras lend themselves more to certain content than others
 
14362559:gravel said:
sometimes it’s not about streamlining the process but more about enjoying the particular artifacts and physical rituals to a camera

you right tho the camera doesn’t matter it’s the content, though stylistically some cameras lend themselves more to certain content than others
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Every camera + lens has a look for sure. Just like every guitar + amp combo has a unique tone. I just can't help but point out that considering everyone around here drools over Zootspace (and rightfully so, it's fucking dope), is a perfect example of why the camera is not important.
 
14362567:ArgyleNJ said:
Every camera + lens has a look for sure. Just like every guitar + amp combo has a unique tone. I just can't help but point out that considering everyone around here drools over Zootspace (and rightfully so, it's fucking dope), is a perfect example of why the camera is not important.
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Last part, to an extent. Like I think camera lens filming and skiing are all what defines a video style. For example I think some of my homies’ styles look better on long lens shots vs fisheye and vice versa.

Respectfully, there’s no way you can tell me zs would have the same impact/style if it was filmed on a DSLR or something. So yes camera does matter, to an extent like I said.
 
14362551:ArgyleNJ said:
Are you asking me which camera will reach full obsolescence first? Because the answer doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is the content. If you guys gonna labor over shooting onto miniDV or whatever dumbass medium then I'm gonna point out that you are adding extra steps to your workflow. Sorry to sound like a grouch, but it's 2021 and the cameras literally are meaningless at this point.
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some people don’t want their content to look stale as fuck aesthetically
 
14362596:Slowbro said:
Using the same shit as every skate video isn’t stale?
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The numbers of videos using DSLRs and other HD cameras swallows the minuscule number of skate/ski videos out there filmed on handheld older ish servo zoom cameras…

plus it’s more practical. Cheaper, easier to use, has a handle, has the right filter threads for a good fisheye, etc.
 
14362596:Slowbro said:
Using the same shit as every skate video isn’t stale?
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Well yeah maybe to the skate community, but nothing captures skateboarding or action sports in general like a mk1 fish can. Not many people use tape cameras in the skiing industry and I just love the way it looks compared to the standard nice ass dslr or HD camera. Once in a while you'll see something in 4:3 pop up before you can even watch it in the daily videos and they have a lot more character aesthetically than some random fucking iPhone edit or $4000 camera edit.
 
14362576:Jems said:
some people don’t want their content to look stale as fuck aesthetically
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Stale is an interesting word when talking about cameras that are 20 years old.

[tag=244295]@weastcoat[/tag] You're not wrong. If you wanna make a choice and develop a look, then by all means use the gear that you see fit. But don't box yourself into a corner for the sake of mimicking an aesthetic that pre-dates CKY videos. You can do yourself a favor by learning after effects and creating custom alpha graphics. Then lay them over better looking footage which will give you more latitude in the future.
 
14362603:ArgyleNJ said:
You can do yourself a favor by learning after effects and creating custom alpha graphics. Then lay them over better looking footage which will give you more latitude in the future.
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you can't be serious hahahaha
 
14362608:ArgyleNJ said:
My bad, let me dumb it down for you. Boost the contrast to 900% and export it at 720, then it will look like a panasonic disposable camera.
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Doesn’t work.

disposable? Didn’t you just call these cameras 20 years old? And we’re using them still? Interesting.
 
14362608:ArgyleNJ said:
My bad, let me dumb it down for you. Boost the contrast to 900% and export it at 720, then it will look like a panasonic disposable camera.
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just put vhs filters over iPhone clips to mimic the look because why buy a $60 dollar camera!
 
14362608:ArgyleNJ said:
My bad, let me dumb it down for you. Boost the contrast to 900% and export it at 720, then it will look like a panasonic disposable camera.
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my guy these kids wear corduroy and dad hats unironically. You're not gonna convince them that the only reason they like SD is because they were born after it, even if it's the truth.
 
14362616:Biffbarf said:
my guy these kids wear corduroy and dad hats unironically. You're not gonna convince them that the only reason they like SD is because they were born after it, even if it's the truth.
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man I don't even own either of those
 
My opinion is I’d rather see a video from Colton Feldman or jake Durham filmed on an ac160/hpx than one on a drone/ red camera. Doesn’t matter what you’re using as long as you’re good with it. All about capturing the emotions and I think those real cinematic rigs just get caught up in the shot and not the vibe
 
14362636:Jon_McMurry said:
My opinion is I’d rather see a video from Colton Feldman or jake Durham filmed on an ac160/hpx than one on a drone/ red camera. Doesn’t matter what you’re using as long as you’re good with it. All about capturing the emotions and I think those real cinematic rigs just get caught up in the shot and not the vibe
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This is what I was trying to say before I wet blanket-ed the thread. I've spent so much time worrying about gear in my life that I wanna communicate to younger folk that it's only like 10% important. Spend more time worrying about what you're creating.
 
14362610:weastcoat said:
Doesn’t work.

disposable? Didn’t you just call these cameras 20 years old? And we’re using them still? Interesting.
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A lot of stuff is moving away from dslr to mirrorless. Tbh, there’s no need to get a decked out camera to film a ski movie. All you need is a lens or setup with a good panning stabilization and you should be fine. These are usually in the 70-200 f2.8 and bigger lenses that can cost quite a bit. Some youtuber also use gopros or insta 360s as well.
 
I don’t know if there’s a market for that. I feel like most ppl who ski and have money aren’t trying to buy the zootspace camera ngl. Maybe candides gopro, or the cam used to shoot tanner blow his legs up, but the zootspace camera is definitely low on their priority list lol
 
jems you’re righteous as fuck, take a page from mcmur. you’re just on the opposite end of the spectrum of some kid with a RED ignorantly shit talking camcorders. and rn all i want to do is buy a vx. but when i do i won’t think everything else is horse shit just bc it’s not sd 4:3.
 
14362655:vibe.crudo said:
I don’t know if there’s a market for that. I feel like most ppl who ski and have money aren’t trying to buy the zootspace camera ngl. Maybe candides gopro, or the cam used to shoot tanner blow his legs up, but the zootspace camera is definitely low on their priority list lol
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zootspace camera is relatively affordable to most bum ass kids like me so ill defend SD (and a few HD) cameras to the bone compared to some bumfuck $4000 dollar mirrorless camera that has nothing interesting about it besides insane quality. I don't think there's many cameras today where you can tell the exact model based purely on a little bit of footage compared to the minidv greats and early sd card cameras. One of my favorite aspects of these old cameras is the fact that I can create relatively high quality content with a $200 lump of shit I got off eBay without knowing literally anything about it.
 
14362659:gravel said:
but when i do i won’t think everything else is horse shit just bc it’s not sd 4:3.
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I don't actually think anything filmed on a dslr or any of that stuff is horseshit, a lot of my opinions are pretty stupid as many know. I just really don't like the blatant similarities between almost all the footage you see today filmed on modern cameras.
 
14362667:Jems said:
I don't actually think anything filmed on a dslr or any of that stuff is horseshit, a lot of my opinions are pretty stupid as many know. I just really don't like the blatant similarities between almost all the footage you see today filmed on modern cameras.
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haha fuck yeah respect, and i feel you
 
14362667:Jems said:
I don't actually think anything filmed on a dslr or any of that stuff is horseshit, a lot of my opinions are pretty stupid as many know. I just really don't like the blatant similarities between almost all the footage you see today filmed on modern cameras.
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Mirrorless cameras are bad imo. Low battery life, slow viewfinder, and no shutter door to block the sensor(for Sony’s) which means dust can accumulate when changing lenses which can ruin pictures. Dust is evil!

They can be great for video though if you only use one lens the entire time. Good for video. Bad for photography unless you get one where the sensor is not exposed while changing lenses.

**This post was edited on Dec 13th 2021 at 1:01:13am
 
14362676:SmokedGouda said:
Mirrorless cameras are bad imo. Low battery life, slow viewfinder, and no shutter door to block the sensor(for Sony’s) which means dust can accumulate when changing lenses which can ruin pictures. Dust is evil!

They can be great for video though if you only use one lens the entire time. Good for video. Bad for photography unless you get one where the sensor is not exposed while changing lenses.

**This post was edited on Dec 13th 2021 at 1:01:13am
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in full honestly idk shit about dslrs besides the fact that I don't like the way they look
 
This is really funny to me because the type of people who would value that camera highly are the exact type of people to not have any money lmao
 
14362549:weastcoat said:
Enlighten me on difference between hpx170 and hvx200
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Meant to respond to this earlier, hvx200a/b is just an older version the hpx was based on. Hvx200 can use p2 and tape while hpx can only use p2. Hpx has some more useful settings, a little bit nicer quality, and some different internals/threads than the hvx. Hvx is still super good, cheaper and just as reliable, just missing some of the little upgrades you’d find on the hpx170
 
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