Homophobes

So let's look at what you have here.

An article from the FRC, which is comparable to the KKK only in terms of bias against certain individuals, which was all I was implying. The article doesn't actually offer any evidence that gays raising kids would be a bad thing, only attempts to say why the studies that affirm the opposite are flawed in some way.

An article from NARTH.com, a site dedicated to the "Therapy" of homosexuality. As if it were a disease. You're not exactly batting 1000 here...

Finally, an opinion column from a college newspaper.

How about a .edu domain, or a medical journal or something with some actual credibility? Please?
 
why are you linking to articles posted by an organization that provides "therapy" for homosexuals? it's far from scientific and even further from conclusive.
 
if that were true, then are you a supporter of gay marriage?

unions between same-sex couples would inhibit transmission of sexually transmitted diseases, not encourage them. and your assertion that man + woman = harmony is relative to the person. i'm sure from a gay person's POV, it's quite the opposite.
 
I can't post it obviously, but I had several readings about family in my Sociology course. I consider them to be reliable, sorry you fucking homophobe :( :(
 
i'm not saying anything, i'm falsifying his logic.

and you consider AIDS to be "God's Punishment"? you're not Pat Robertson, bud.
 
yes, some of todays youth really is fucked up. But i dont know if there parents instilled these thoughts into them. thats kind of a broad statement, I think that yes, some parents did, but others most likely had no part in there children hating gays
 
no one tells me how to think or what to think but myself. the same argument you just used could be used for yourself. all i have to do is replace 'dykes' with 'preachers' and 'feminists' with 'moral majority.'

didn't you just say that you haven't been to church in over a year? you're not really in any position to criticize religious POVs.

the country wasn't built on religious ideologies that adhere to the beliefs that:

1) homosexuality is inherently wrong

2) ANYTHING THAT IS NOT CHRISTIAN IS WRONG

if you would like to make the argument that it was built on God, then you can go as far as deism, but nothing more. contrary to what people may think, Thomas Jefferson's idea of 'God' did not think homosexuals are the scourge of the earth and that stem-cell research is invalid.

on a side note, i must admit that NS is becoming a much easier site to argue maturely. so i'll end with agree to disagree i guess.
 
actually it would encourage trasnmission of sexually trasnmitted diseases. all that it inhibits is pregnancy you dumb fuck.
 
how would it encourage it? marriage requires both partners to stay faithful to one another. please explain.
 
actually, no. aids didn't begin with the gay community, contrary to popular belief. but you're right in that it's much more easily transmitted between same-sex male couples. however, if marriage between homosexual couples was permitted, it would inhibit transmission of AIDS and other diseases since they would, hopefully, have only one partner through matrimony.
 
the bible says no man shall lay with another man( nothing about lesbians :)

Its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve
 
holy fuckgin shit, stowebum you are retarded. the logic you use...man you have to learn to separate fact from emotion...yes it feeeeels wrong, but is it?

i beleive the remark was "Family, why don't youjust quote ferom the KKK" implying that that FAmily orinization is inherently biased. it went way over your head. wow man. wow.

oh and ill get you that study give me a minute
 
its in my old textbook, but ill post it later, don't worry. oh and that cliff huck was liek 30 feet dude not 50. i proved it...look
 
are you serious. hoyl shit man, you are fucked up. people liek you make me loose my faith in humanity, fuck dude fuck. you realize you are using hte same fucking logic as neo-nazis and people who say the halocaust never happened. wow dude wow.

uniqueness/thinking on your own is bad, yet it is exactly waht you are doing by saying that all you teachers were wrong...i mean try to use soooome logic or something.

some of these kids on htis site are sort of young i suspect this is some seriously retarded shit for them to be reading...wow man wooooow. your opinoin is completely invalid on all fronts. wooooow
 
right back at you, you intolerant piece of shit. any respect i had for you in gone. your posts are fucking worthless in this thread. you can voice and opinion but there is a line to what should be put down. are the "jews" all going to hell to because they were raised jewish? why not attack anyone non christian and anyone who is and doesnt "smote" them along with you.

im a confirmed catholic but that is just something written down. i dont know what i believe. i mean im christian as in im pretty sure theres a god and was a jesus, but i have my own views on everything. i think that homosexual people can do whatever they want, as can every living thing on this planet can. if they want to get married, why not? its not harming you and your own life. i couldnt care less what other people do. they love each other, why shouldnt they be a married couple. you dont want others poaching your territory. JD said not to call it marrige. thats not a bad idea, but do you really care if they do? i have like a gay friend that i mean, hes pretty cool, but i mean its gross if i hear about him doing shit with a guy from someone. the point is hes not going to stop doing it, he cant stop being gay. imagine not having an attraction to girls and not having any idea why. i dont think gay people can help it. god made them that way. their parents made them that way. fucking seasame street made them that way.

in this world you can waste time getting hung up on matters that will never in your life inhibit you from doing anything you ordinarily would. or you can just let everyone enjoy their lives to the fullest. it sounds like you really need to grow up and figure out what you think life is about. if you belive its about following god's teaching, go ahead. but if an athiest kid throws a brick at your head and pickets your confirmation you really cant say shit can you.

maybe ive helped, maybe not, but next time you in school, try to remeber some of what ive said. you're a kid. you spew hatred and intolerance without remorse. even if you are making fun of the nerdy kid in class, think to yourself why he/she deserves to be made fun of. to negativly affect someone else's life is obviously wrong. you still dont see that. why not try to give some posiitvity to your own life and someone elses. my ex talks shit about me behind my back probably every day, and i hear her too. i dont even talk to her anymore or talk shit about her in school, she just looks for reasons to get pissy. she annoys the shit out of me. shes not a nice person. but when i noticed she was acting really shitty towards everyone and really really pissed i asked her friends what was wrong. well the guy she was with dumped her. she was obviously upset, and i pushed through my resentment and made the bitch a kick ass mix cd and went to her house (she was sick too and didnt come to school) and gave it to her. i felt good about myself. in lamest terms-which side do you want be on, the good guys or the bad?

i just went on a rant about being a good person. but i feel like it applies. the things you say arent just about homosexuals and those that support them, but about hate in general. there is no need for it. god never said "hate someone today". humans are often corrupted, and their teachings become accepted with time just based on popular support. what you are believeing is the word of god-it isnt. there are other people in this world, and if being full of hate is your "ticket to heaven", you need time to think.
 
If only humane words like those (although rare) from jake there could actually change something like stowebum...well, we might ahve a better world
 
No no, I totally agree with that, but I am saying, look at it in a very very broad scope and over a long period of time.

I will try to make an analogy, albeit, perhaps a bit exagerated to make my point clear. Suppose you yet again have a hypothetical situation. Let's say that in this situation you instead have a couple that is completely loving and caring toward their child but they both do cocaine on a fairly regular basis. Again, hypothetical. I am of the mind that this would have a negative impact on a child. Perhaps it would work some of the times, but in the end, after many many such structures, there would be a possibility of an imbalance.

I also would like to see someone answer the personal question I proposed.

Secondly, while those studies might say what they say, they arent studying what I am saying. It would be really difficult to study such a thing. Furthermore, I wouldnt even read too much into those particular studies to begin with. Psychology is a hard science to quantify and ever really get concrete answers out of. However, if you have them on hand, I would be interested in reading them.
 
I've seen post after post in here claim that homosexuality is for certain, beyond a shadow of doubt in genetics and that 'They can't help it; they are born that way'

I'm sorry. I must've missed the Dateline special that proved homosexuality was purely genetic.

Please cut the bs and stop acting like it's fact.

Yes, hormonal balance may play a role but who's to say that one's psychiological environment, upbringing, etc. doesn't play a greater one?

Some of my good friends are openly homosexual, and I do not judge them nor do I think any differently about them.. But presenting something as a fact when there is no conclusive evidence either way only spreads ignorance further.
 
Sim: I'm not quite getting how homosexuality relates to parents doing coke.

Ghostdragon: I agree that I don't think that homosexuality is totally innate. I think the arguement really goes back to nature vs nurture, which probably doesn't plan on being solved anytime soon. Is it all genetic or is it all just part of our socialization? I think that it's a bit of both. There is definitely some things we pick up innately through our genes and some things that we learn through our social environment. I just find it sorta wierd that in almost every society (minus Greek/some others?) homosexuality wasn't tolerated yet we still have them around. So if almost every child in history was raised believing that homosexuality is wrong how is it still around?
 
It doesn't and it does. I was merely giving another analogy. The general concept remains the same. I could maybe use a couple in where both parents are gang members, or they often cheat on each other, or they are both alcoholics etc, etc. Yet in all these cases, the parents love and care for the child would be the same as that of any others parents'.

I don't know if you yet see what I am trying to say, or if you are actually purposely undermining it.
 
I think he's implying that it's more than a little offensive to put homosexuality in the same column as doing coke, cheating, being a gang member, etc. By the way, we don't restrict people who do such things from having kids, anyway.
 
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