Henrik's X games run

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KravtZ

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Personally never been a huge Henrik fan...that being said I love watching his skiing. His Xgames performance was classic Henrik...stylish, awesome looking tricks.

But I just feel like on a stage like X games he needs to throw down a contest contending run. Throwing zero spins is just unacceptable at that level. X is one of the biggest comps...kid needs to step it up. Throw down a run and not be ok with coming in last place
 
We'd actually like to thank Henrik for keeping things real.

Who are you to say what's acceptable and what isn't? Maybe for Henrik, it's not all about a number assigned by a judge...
 
topic:KravtZ said:
Personally never been a huge Henrik fan...that being said I love watching his skiing. His Xgames performance was classic Henrik...stylish, awesome looking tricks.

But I just feel like on a stage like X games he needs to throw down a contest contending run. Throwing zero spins is just unacceptable at that level. X is one of the biggest comps...kid needs to step it up. Throw down a run and not be ok with coming in last place
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Those zero spins looked sick as fuck. Also he already fucked up his run before those zeros.
 
topic:KravtZ said:
I just feel like on a stage like X games he needs to throw down a contest contending run.
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no. on a stage like x games he needs to promote creativity. i dont go to a music festival to watch different bands cover the same song over and over.
 
13619695:SBCSkier said:
We'd actually like to thank Henrik for keeping things real.

Who are you to say what's acceptable and what isn't? Maybe for Henrik, it's not all about a number assigned by a judge...
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Hey it was a personal opinion not bashing. I think his skiing is dope and stylish as hell. But cmon..X games you gotta throw down as hard as you can.
 
13619705:KravtZ said:
Hey it was a personal opinion not bashing. I think his skiing is dope and stylish as hell. But cmon..X games you gotta throw down as hard as you can.
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If the event organizers didn't create the best situation for progression (thinking more of big air but the snow was still somewhat of an issue in slope) then why should the skiers have to risk injury to please a crowd

Hell, the skiers weren't even ESPN's priority, if I knew I was being shunned for halo players at the WINTER (read snow sports rather than gaming) x games I'd just straightline the course flipping the cameras off
 
remember last year in the same conditions he threw done and blew up his shoulder- he was trying to stay healthy
 
13619705:KravtZ said:
But cmon..X games you gotta throw down as hard as you can.
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No you don't. Not everybody wants to win. Henrik just wants to have fun. It's your run, do you do what you want with it. And who are you to say that Henrik shouldn't be okay with last place? If he is okay with it that's all that matters, because he is the one in last at xgames and not you.
 

It's his statement on the politics of contests like X-Games and the Olympics. He gets that being true to himself and expressing his own style is more important than letting the judging criteria dictate what kind of skier he should be.

That edit on ESPN was the best thing to come out of this year's X, and Sammy Carlson did pretty much the same thing with his movie. Let the power structures in skiing know they don't call the shots, they don't have the authority to call who the best skiers are.

I think this is where X-Games is losing it.....the viewers that matter to the ski industry are ready for more than sensationalist spin to win antics, and those that aren't have lost interest and changed the channel.
 
He didn't land any runs he wanted to. His zero was a throwaway, he knew that.

Still i really want ed to see him bring the rode 180 back. Super curious to see what the judges would have done.
 
They can't do much with it I feel like. To the average viewer it doesn't look "hard" because it isn't some crazy spin. Henrik is a very progressive park rider...but 99% of people watching had no idea what going on in terms of difficulty compared to style and what not
 
as stated before he fucked up in the rail section. so even if he did throw down some competitive jumps, he still would've gotten a low score. so why not have some fun with it?

i can't tell if you're trolling or not but this isn't something that should have to be explained.
 
13619703:FriedRice said:
no. on a stage like x games he needs to promote creativity. i dont go to a music festival to watch different bands cover the same song over and over.
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you also don't go to a music festival to see three people be rewarded and paid for their efforts that are scored higher than the rest of the group. Dumbest fucking argument I've seen in a while.

If you want to watch people promoting creativity, go watch the bunch or real skifi. If you want to watch COMPETITION park skiing, watch the X-Games.
 
13619848:skierman said:
Well your personal opinion is shit. Heaven forbid if a rider has fun after screwing up his run! Fuck you.
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So is yours...its an opinion.

I just think at the highest level of COMP park skiing you need to treat it as such. As the other guy said...if you want to see creative skiing watch any of Henrik's other 10000 videos
 
What is it with skiers? I don't get it. You get guys like Mark McMorris being interviewed after slopestyle talking about how integral the X-Games are to the progression of snowboarding and how much the event has pushed the limits of the athletes.

These competitions exist to reward the run that has the highest technical difficulty and is executed with the greatest degree of precision. The best run wins.

"Style" & "creativity" will never be rewarded unless they represent technical difficulty and precision.
 
i think henrik just realized that when he fucked up a little on the rails or a little on the jumps that he wasnt gonna make the podium on the run so he just threw some easier tricks. I really respect him and to me hes the best skier ever. He can literally take and trick that any other pro skier can do and make it look better. I will always respect him. not only that but the conditions were far from perfect for a comp.
 
13619866:BenWhit said:
you also don't go to a music festival to see three people be rewarded and paid for their efforts that are scored higher than the rest of the group. Dumbest fucking argument I've seen in a while.

If you want to watch people promoting creativity, go watch the bunch or real skifi. If you want to watch COMPETITION park skiing, watch the X-Games.
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Your argument is wack too dude, the fun of just seeing things live is very different from seeing edits online. The stylish skiers at the X-games are offering a variety of different runs to watch live and the crowd likes it.

You really think most people care only for that COMPETITION vibe when watching Xgames? Then why is the crowd so stoked when Henrik or Jossi drop zero spins? Why were we all so stoked to see Bdog's runs when he was competing even if we knew the judges were rating spins over style at that time?

The comparison with the music festival isn't dumb, your eyes are just too closed to see the whole portrait.
 
13619879:BenWhit said:
What is it with skiers? I don't get it. You get guys like Mark McMorris being interviewed after slopestyle talking about how integral the X-Games are to the progression of snowboarding and how much the event has pushed the limits of the athletes.

These competitions exist to reward the run that has the highest technical difficulty and is executed with the greatest degree of precision. The best run wins.

"Style" & "creativity" will never be rewarded unless they represent technical difficulty and precision.
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if attempting a rodeo 180 doesnt require technical difficulty and precision idk what does.
 
13619879:BenWhit said:
These competitions exist to reward the run that has the highest technical difficulty and is executed with the greatest degree of precision.
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13619888:StokeFactor said:
Your argument is wack too dude, the fun of just seeing things live is very different from seeing edits online. The stylish skiers at the X-games are offering a variety of different runs to watch live and the crowd likes it.

You really think most people care only for that COMPETITION vibe when watching Xgames? Then why is the crowd so stoked when Henrik or Jossi drop zero spins? Why were we all so stoked to see Bdog's runs when he was competing even if we knew the judges were rating spins over style at that time?

The comparison with the music festival isn't dumb, your eyes are just too closed to see the whole portrait.
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How do you figure?

A music festival is a spectacle that does not provide a scoring criteria nor a monetary reward. Spare me all the jah bless bullshit about how my "eyes are too closed".

13619901:BrucetheShark said:
if attempting a rodeo 180 doesnt require technical difficulty and precision idk what does.
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I never said it didn't. If the judges feel a "rodeo" 180 (flat 3, revert 1) is both technically difficult and "stylish" (which is what everyone seems to be clamoring for), it will be sufficiently rewarded. There's a difference between attempting and cleanly executing.

13619910:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
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right. you can post a picture of literally any competitive sport, because any competitive sport where judges grade athletes based on a set of criteria that are primarily weighted on degree of difficulty & execution is thus aerials.
 
The only reason he did that was because he fucked up the 270 transfer on the battleship by over shooting the rail and he grazed the rail with his tips and never locked on and fell off early to the far side......so instead 9 skipping the rest of the features like a lot of the competitors do when they fuck up, he did some fun tricks for our benefit.. ..and you are mad at him for it?

The guy had a podium run had he landed his intended tricks..

You miss last year when he knocked himself out and broke his collar bone while trying to land a nose butter triple off the second jump? Yeah....he really needs to step up the technical difficulty and try harder.......

This thread fucking blows and Henrik is the most progressive, arguably most technical park skier probably of all time. A rodeo 180 during big air? He's brought more tricks to skiing than damn near anyone this side of the fucking gagnier's.
 
13619705:KravtZ said:
Hey it was a personal opinion not bashing. I think his skiing is dope and stylish as hell. But cmon..X games you gotta throw down as hard as you can.
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he doesn't have to throw down as hard as you can, you don't make the rules. there is no rules. FREEskiing.
 
Damned freeski judges. They very much have a "spin to win" mentality. And yeah, throwing a triple is difficult as fuck. But they don't seem to understand the difficulty of what could be incorrectly viewed as "simple tricks".

We need to have people like Simon Dumont and other recently retired competition skiiers who have a deep understanding and love for the freeski world judging these events. Not some old ass bastard who knows nothing about freeskiing and has to read a manual to tell him how to score certain tricks.

As much as I do wish I could blame it all on the judges, the problem lies in the ski community as a whole. So many gapers, old farts, and casual skiiers are wowed by massive twists and flippy maneuvers.
 
13619739:jakeordie said:
It's his statement on the politics of contests like X-Games and the Olympics. He gets that being true to himself and expressing his own style is more important than letting the judging criteria dictate what kind of skier he should be.

That edit on ESPN was the best thing to come out of this year's X, and Sammy Carlson did pretty much the same thing with his movie. Let the power structures in skiing know they don't call the shots, they don't have the authority to call who the best skiers are.

I think this is where X-Games is losing it.....the viewers that matter to the ski industry are ready for more than sensationalist spin to win antics, and those that aren't have lost interest and changed the channel.
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I agree that he is trying to put his style into his comp runs, but in my opinion he was trying to hard and went a little overkill. His X games edit was sick and I think that is a good statement as to where skiing should be going.

Having said that he is using up a position which loads of up and coming creative skiers would be desperate to take and just because he is guaranteed a spot doesn't mean he should go OTT and drag his hands around and say its a unique 'style'. his style in his Xgames edit was much better and it promotes creativity in its own way.

TLDR: went OTT on his style trying to prove a point
 
Kravtz I just want you to know that you are one of the only people I have ever hated. Like literally any post you make is the perfect example of the stupidest opinion one could have on said subject.

Seriously I'm starting to think you're just a really really really ridiculously good troll. Every post has the perfect amount of annoying shitty opinion sprinkled on, with a little bit of pretentiousness and classic American egotism.

I would tell you to kill yourself but I've already read far too many of your posts for it to make any difference now.

You should probably leave NS though. Seriously you haven't made a single worthwhile contribution to this website.
 
topic:KravtZ said:
Personally never been a huge Henrik fan...that being said I love watching his skiing. His Xgames performance was classic Henrik...stylish, awesome looking tricks.

But I just feel like on a stage like X games he needs to throw down a contest contending run. Throwing zero spins is just unacceptable at that level. X is one of the biggest comps...kid needs to step it up. Throw down a run and not be ok with coming in last place
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Never been a fan but love watching his skiing?... Contradicting much?
 
13619936:casual said:
The only reason he did that was because he fucked up the 270 transfer on the battleship by over shooting the rail and he grazed the rail with his tips and never locked on and fell off early to the far side......so instead 9 skipping the rest of the features like a lot of the competitors do when they fuck up, he did some fun tricks for our benefit.. ..and you are mad at him for it?

The guy had a podium run had he landed his intended tricks..

You miss last year when he knocked himself out and broke his collar bone while trying to land a nose butter triple off the second jump? Yeah....he really needs to step up the technical difficulty and try harder.......

This thread fucking blows and Henrik is the most progressive, arguably most technical park skier probably of all time. A rodeo 180 during big air? He's brought more tricks to skiing than damn near anyone this side of the fucking gagnier's.
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amen
 
13619705:KravtZ said:
Hey it was a personal opinion not bashing. I think his skiing is dope and stylish as hell. But cmon..X games you gotta throw down as hard as you can.
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Go do a fucking zero spin over a 90 foot jump also this thread should be about bobby's big air he stopped on one air and did a straight air on another
 
13620750:Steezymikcreeby said:
Henrik keeps the style in these big comps all the other guys just spin to win
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forgetting last year he attempted a nose-butter triple in slopestyle...
 
13620817:Deepskier said:
Go do a fucking zero spin over a 90 foot jump also this thread should be about bobby's big air he stopped on one air and did a straight air on another
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For real? That shit isn't on Bobby at all. Those conditions were atrocious, and the organizers never should've let the contest go down in the first place. The moment Ambuhl got hurt and there was a course hold for 10 minutes or so, and the snow intensified, that jump became essentially unhittable.

Bobby took one for the team and speed checked and slipped the takeoff, in the process pushing soft/slow snow off the takeoff....for everyone's benefit. He is 24, been at this shit for a long while for someone so young, and knows better than to huck a triple on a snowy, slow jump and run the risk of ending his season, or possibly his career. I just don't see at all how you could fault Bobby for that shit. If you're the kind of person who doesn't speed check a huge kicker when it's nuking and the conditions have dramatically changed, well, you're not the kind of person who finds himself skiing big air at the x games.

I feel like there's been a huge influx of gapers on here recently, particularly in this thread. Like....how can you be a skier, immersed in ski culture....and never have heard the term "threw a shoe" or "lost a shoe"? It's one thing to not know the term, but it's something else to mock someone else for using it when you're just clueless.

Hey OP....where's your outrage thread for McRae throwing a rodeo 5 revert on the MEGAMO MONEYBOOTER?! You gotta put it all on the line for X baby!

Or maybe the speed and lighting was just completely fucked and he knew he wasn't going to get a big dub or triple to his feet and he didn't want to get bundled in a toboggan and hauled off the mountain by medical. But, what a selfish prick, right OP?! You paid good money to sit on your fucking couch and watch skiers do shit you can barely dream of, you're entitled to the most spinniest and flippiest and amplitudiest X-treme ski action of all-time! Fuck Henrik, fuck Bobby, and fuck McRae, I want my money back.
 
13620072:ButteryLlama said:
Damned freeski judges. They very much have a "spin to win" mentality. And yeah, throwing a triple is difficult as fuck. But they don't seem to understand the difficulty of what could be incorrectly viewed as "simple tricks".

We need to have people like Simon Dumont and other recently retired competition skiiers who have a deep understanding and love for the freeski world judging these events. Not some old ass bastard who knows nothing about freeskiing and has to read a manual to tell him how to score certain tricks.

As much as I do wish I could blame it all on the judges, the problem lies in the ski community as a whole. So many gapers, old farts, and casual skiiers are wowed by massive twists and flippy maneuvers.
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Dude.....Jason Arens is the head judge. The guy you can see shotgunning beers and doing stylish simple tricks in the goodenough edits....you think you've got a more in depth and nuanced understanding of skiing than he does? In the past it's been guys like Steele Spence and Evan Raps....heard of them? The judges are pretty much all former competitors and people that could go hit every feature on the course themselves. These aren't swiss dudes from FIS in technical puffies judging these events.

Competition skiing has ALWAYS been about technical difficulty, amplitude, clean grabs, variety of spin direction, etc. It's the avenue within the sport that allows people with a desire to progress their technical skills to compete against other likeminded skiers. That's all it is. The X games is not a shrine to freeskiing in all its many forms.

There is more content available now than ever for you to watch the kind of skiing that you prefer, it doesn't make sense to go to the slopestyle event at x games expecting to see Adam Delorme wheelieing the knuckles. Instead, you'll see french guys at the top of the half pipe yelling and pounding their fists and kicking their tails on the ground and fidgeting and practicing their pops and rotations and landings while standing still. It is what it is, and it, in my opinion, is very cool in its own right, but it ain't where I go looking when I want to see the freshest, most casual, creative shit that skiing has to offer.

Long story short, judges gon judge, contests gon contest, and there's more ways than ever now to see talented as fuck skiers do cool shit on skis that doesn't involve 3 inversions and 5 switchups, and a zillion pretzels.
 
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