Thanks, that helps. I have been looking at pics, but there is debate sometimes on those as well. I just saw a trick where the guy dropped his right shoulder, and did a 180 and then seemed to flip is legs over his head and landed switch (think it was in the trialer for S6 or TBC, it was w/o skis) There is a similar trick in WAR under the 'love skiing backwards short' I think it is Jon takes off normal does like an off axis spin and lands switch, if anyone know that trick - would that be a corked 180? I Appreciate the help