Hellbents/EP pros

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bootleg_BEN

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So ep pros are to soft for me, and i really like the bents. But i was wondering what other rockered skis are out there that are similair to the two in design. Not including armadas. thanks
 
Ya those all sound good.

Im going to use them in pow pow. And the occasional trip to the park to screw around.

And i have heard of those other skis. i was wondering if i was missing something.

Also i was thinking about the 333 skis, and designing something similar to the bents.

Thanks everyone +k
 
Ya they look so dope.

But i can get hellbents for 400 bucks brand new at my local shop.

I would get them if i had 300 extra bucks.
 
im getting the EPs this winter. ive also asked myself the same question. the 09 EPs used to be softer than the bents, allthough the hellbents are still pretty soft. but the EPs have a stronger rocker and from what ive heard, they handle the groomers better and are a fun allround ski, allthough groomers is not where you wanna take them. i also like the fact that they are 15% stiffer this year, means that wheelies wont be that of a problem any more. the base looks really awesome and the topsheet has a really chilled design aswell.

mybe also consider the JJs cuz they ahve a shorter radius, so quicker turns are possible, but i heard that they are hard to go straight with, cuz they allways initiate turns.

anyways, the EPs ski quite short, that may be to add. this is due to the rocker, but they turn realyy well and hold a good edge.

so ya, id say go for the EPs, thats what im doing too :)
 
EPs are a very fun ski. I live in PA, and I've skied them at my local resort a few times, and we only get like 125" of snow a season. They definitely take some getting used to, and they're by no means an everyday ski, but I've had a blast on mine. They are extremely soft though, which allows them to do some fun things that other skis can't, like wheelies and crazy butters. But the softness makes them tough to handle on jumps, never tried them on rails/boxes.

As far as other similar skis, I think pretty much everything else has been mentioned. The only other thing I can think of would be the Nordica Zero, which is a different concept, but maybe something worth looking into.
 
I have owned both EP's and 'Bents, and i would have to say that the EP's were a better overall ski, the tapered edge makes it a better carver on hardpack, the softer flex pattern makes butters easier and flexes more when on powder to help you float better, handle jumps up to 50ft, they just take a little getting used to.

Other options would be the K2 Obsethed, K2 Kung Fujas (2010), Atomic Thugs, Rossignol S7, Line SFB CoreUpt Hands Up (2010), Moment has a good line up of skis, or rocker an old pair.
 
Thanks everyone +k

I made this thread to review my options and you guys helped a lot.

I really wanted ep pros, but i am heavier than most people and found i would flex the ski way to much.

So for that reason i think im going to get bents, which was my plan in the first place. haha
 
EPs are still considerably softer than HellBents.
I am confused what you meant by a 'stronger rocker'? No such thing.I would also argue the HellBents ski better on groomers as they are really torsionally stiff underfoot.
Even with a wider ski, short turns are possible and very well executed on a HellBent or EP pro due to the fact they are a softer flex, you can bend them into a tight turn.
Both are fun, you couldn't go wrong with either. I'm just partial to my HellBents:)
 
I have ridden both on groomers and the bently's performed quite a bit better, or at leaste more for my liking. the EPs flopped around and bent every which way. They were super unsolid on jumps too. I can imagine getting used to them, but the bent's just perform better in my opinion.

I do prefere stiffer skis though, and its all my opinion. but the EPs did pop off my feet becasue the ski bent underfoot so much tht the binder just released.
 
ya true the old EPs were pretty soft, but the new ones will be 15 % stiffer, still softer than the bents though. sure rockered soft skis can pop off of ur feet if u really butter them hard on groomers, cuz they werent meant for groomers but as far as what i heard i dont think this happens easily, because they are quite stiff underfoot and have camber. the sir francis bacons would be way better if u want an allmountain ski which has strengths in pow.

but in the windells videos u see people killing it in the park with the EPs.

the EPs are also lighter than the bents so you might consider that.

just demo the two in winter when 3´of pow pow have been dumped and then decide.

its sumer anyways, so just wait until late fall and then look back at what u heard.

peace
 
ya i fully agree with what u said, its just a thing of preferences. one person likes a stiffer ski another might not. i dont think that theres such a huge difference between the two.

with a stronger rocer, i meant that as i saw the two it looked like the rocker/reverse camber of the EP is even more bent. like 2.5-3cm

sry im not the best at english, becuz im german :D

anyways both are rad skis.

as u said, u cant go wrong with either.

peace
 
German?.. Could you suggest me an online shop where I can buy EP in Europe plz or a german shop that can ship them to Italy plz?.. I would like to buy EP pro '10 next season but in the italian shops the prize is around 550-600 only for skis.. i'ts too much for a student!

ps sorry for the ot
 
yes, I would try these. I have only heard from one person who has skied them but they liked them. It is for sure cool to be able to make your own shape for under the price of new skis.
 
I have the jj's and they do everything amazingly! cliffs crud pow. they are stiffer than both ep pro and bent which means they can charge harder if you point it. i saw someone said its hard to go straight on them and its not but you can make short quick turns too.
 
go with ep's
+2 street cred if you do
but then dont cuz too many kids have ep's at bogus
and my friend has hellbents and hell be mad if you get em and itl be funny

get 189's
 
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

15%stiffer than 0 is still 0. Everyone I've talked to that has skied 09s and 10s have said they can't notice any difference at all between the two, they are still WAY softer than bents. Also the softer, more rockered ski is not going to do better than the ski with less rocker that is stiff underfoot, but good random guessing based on nothing. First time I skied bent I got off the lift and felt fine on them, no problems at all on groomers(even skied out) even at speed. And 15% stiffer does nothing to fix the 180 cliff drop face drag wheely landings you see in many of Pollards videos haha(nothing again him, he is sick, it's just hard to land perfectly centered switch in pow on these to avoid this).

and you told Schmies go try both, which I bet he has, and have you ever skied either?

Thread maker: heres is the comparo: EP soffft all over, bents stiff(er, still not that stiff) underfoot and soft(but not EP soft) in the tips and tails. EPs have a LARGER(not greater like this guy said..) rocker, but both have a large one. Bents will do better in the park and on groomers. With bents, the mount makes the ski. +6-7 and you have a ski that will charge POW too well for something that soft, and +10 a fatty softy(heavy) jib tool. With EPs the mount is already pretty forward if I remember right, something like -3 or 4? only skied them at reco. so can't compare. Don't mount bents anything behind +5 of reco. mount, and the 179s are about the length of EPs. EPs have taper and bents don't(very momentish tip I remember it being), which in pow can mean that EPs are more surfy than bents and bents more poppy. EPs are a bit lighter. If you ski fast in pow and like cliffs the bents may be good, and slower more surfy(mostly meaning less cliffs) EPs. Both are soft. I liked bents in park more. hope it helps.
 
^ Wow thank you. Ya im pretty sure im going with the bents. my brother got the ep pros and they are soooooooo soft. its crazy, very sick ski just to soft for me. so im going with the bents. What do you think about a center mount on the 189 yes/no what do you recomend?
 
first of all, chill out.

second dont hate because i said greater rocker. im not english or american, english is not my first language. how should i know which word to use in that context. i bet ur not pro in the other two languages ur taught at school.

ofcourse i base my opinion on guessing, as far as the 2010 model of the ep goes, because im not a pro and they are not in the shops yet, so i have no possibilty to demo them. thus how should i know how they ride?

fourth im just trying to help a fellow member out. no need to bitch around like that.

and if you do want to know, ive demod both of the skis, but as 09 models. so chill out.

you have your opinion and i have mine. i still prefer the EPs.

i respect ur opinion and i dont go bahahhahaha to what you said.

peace
 
The LL2s are very similar to EP pros except that they are much stiffer. I just decided to go with a pair of them yesterday actually over the EPs and hopefully made the right decision. Hellbents are supposed to be great if you like heavier stiffer skis too but Bentchetlers and JJs would be the only other pow skis I would look at other than bents and LL2s.
 
not sure, I haven't skied 189s. Apparently they are hard to take advantage of over the 179s unless you are about 200lbs or you have big cliffy faces to ski. Remember K2 measure long, so 179 bents are right around the length of EP Pros, and 189s are about 195s. For 179 mounts, +5-7 is best for speed and cliffs/big mtnish stuff, and +10(that may be center, not exactly sure) is best for using it as a jib ski. Both those mounts are good for both though, and I would say go +7-10(of reco. mount mark). Just out of curiousity, any reason it is down to these two?
 
ya im 6' 2" and weigh 200+

And im going to use it for a powder and jibski.

I narrowed it down to these mostly based on design, they are designed for what i want to do. (No hate please)

And i have heard great things on both, but ep pros are to soft for me and i like a soft ski and other brands tend to be stiffer than these two.
 
good reasoning. Yeah the 189s will work well then, the 179s would still be fine though. If you want a soft ski they are a good choice. Too bad K2 didn't make them a bit lighter, though.
 
Ya i wish they were lighter but hopefully i wont notice to much. I was afraid that if i mounted at center on the 179 it would be to short for me.
 
Don't have to be a dick about it.

But, there are different ways to ski powder. I got bentlys cause I wanted to charge them and wanted more stability dropping cliffs. the EP pros and super soft and flimsy, and just ski totally different.
 
Dude, if you weigh a little more, you should check out the Volkl Chopsticks. They are stiffer then the bents, with a little less (but continuous) rocker. I think they ski just as well on groomers, but they haul balls on steep and deep. I just thought I would mention them, because I had not noticed if anyone else had.

And no, I am not trying to sell mine, they are no longer available.
 
Ya thanks i like a soft ski though and im pretty set on the bents.

The chopsticks are a sick looking ski but im not sure its for me.
 
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