Heartcarve Custom Piste 2016

Zimmy

Zimmy

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The Heartcarve Custom Piste is here... at least in design.

It's about a closed off run just for heartcarving, or really any type of skiing that fits you best.

Skiers can also get a score, so it could be turned into a competition, but there is some technology and a person required to judge it most thoroughly.

Theoretically, you could just go straight down and get as much speed at you want, but that misses the point (and fun.)

This thread continues from the Meathammer 2015 thread, a ski that I think would be ideal for the HC Custom Piste - but not wholly necessary. I just think it'd produce the best results.

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dude you already have a thread for this in addition to posting about it in tons of other threads, why do you need two threads about your heartcarve shit
 
13488345:w_skier said:
dude you already have a thread for this in addition to posting about it in tons of other threads, why do you need two threads about your heartcarve shit
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The other thread is in gear-talk, this is more general. What does

"W" stand for... ?
 
13488359:gapersarefriends said:
wtf is a switch hump
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It's just a little bump to take some air and do a 180. To do that usually, you really need to have your body straight vertical (right?)... this is to make it easier to do within a carve.

The idea is to allow people to ski part of the course switch.. something I think would be very gnarly.
 
13488391:nellyyy said:
HeartCarve coming in and raising the bar when no one thought it could be raised any higher
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Thanks... I just wonder how the heartrate/turns/time would differ between skiers and snowboarders.. could they even compete in the same event? I think it'd be a very interesting comparison. Snowboarders can already do highly leaned turns.

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- would be terrible in the air, though.

So would a new type of snowboard need to be developed, similar to the Meathammer, just wider?
 
13488680:SweatyYeti said:
I would just like to see a HeartCarve x TBK Ski Co collab
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I offered in one of their first threads but they ignored, although I think with this Piste, it warrants something really more serious.
 
I feel like you're going on 5 years of fundamentally missing the mark on what skiers/"freeskiers" want.

You really think anyone gives a shit about what their heartrate is while skiing a...skier x course? Why is that at all relevant? How does that have anything to do with skiing? You've tried so hard to shoehorn the concept into skiing and it doesn't connect.

Switch humps? huh? If as you explained, the purpose of "switch humps" is to go from forward to switch as opposed to it being some big jump meant for big tricks....well, no one needs a "hump" to go to switch. Haven't you ever seen someone just easily pop a flatground 180 to switch? I just don't get it.

And, you want to perfectly electronically plot people's turns with sensors in order to gauge how turny the turn is? Dude. Please.

Just get a regular job already because your plot to invent a ski related item that makes you rich has gone nowhere. I'm surprised newschoolers lets you post this stuff without entering a formal advertiser agreement. You only use NS to sell people on your products.
 
13488735:casual said:
I feel like you're going on 5 years of fundamentally missing the mark on what skiers/"freeskiers" want.

You really think anyone gives a shit about what their heartrate is while skiing a...skier x course? Why is that at all relevant? How does that have anything to do with skiing? You've tried so hard to shoehorn the concept into skiing and it doesn't connect.

Switch humps? huh? If as you explained, the purpose of "switch humps" is to go from forward to switch as opposed to it being some big jump meant for big tricks....well, no one needs a "hump" to go to switch. Haven't you ever seen someone just easily pop a flatground 180 to switch? I just don't get it.

And, you want to perfectly electronically plot people's turns with sensors in order to gauge how turny the turn is? Dude. Please.

Just get a regular job already because your plot to invent a ski related item that makes you rich has gone nowhere. I'm surprised newschoolers lets you post this stuff without entering a formal advertiser agreement. You only use NS to sell people on your products.
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I'm pretty sure you've been openly hostile to me in the past (from my first post about HC back in 2012.. although I think you've also said some positive stuff too) ... but... your username hasn't changed since signing up in 2008. People like change (not everyone evidently) and it doesn't have to happen in big jumps, but people can decide what they want from a menu of options.

I've been working on "heart-skiing" since 2002. The heart-rate gets people out of the adrenaline fixation. No one's forcing you to put the sensor on your wrist.... blah.... do you want me to refute every point you made?
 
I think at the bottom of the chairlift of the Piste it should say:

"Stay safe. Wear a helmet, and beware of Rozboons."

Rozboons: people who always think you're wrong no matter what you do or how you do it. They know better virtually all the time, and they'll let you know about it too, at all opportune times. Even if you clone them, the problem will be that you're not original.
 
13488746:HC__skier said:
I think at the bottom of the chairlift of the Piste it should say:

"Stay safe. Wear a helmet, and beware of Rozboons."

Rozboons: people who always think you're wrong no matter what you do or how you do it. They know better virtually all the time, and they'll let you know about it too, at all opportune times. Even if you clone them, the problem will be that you're not original.
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rozboon personally recommends the above post.
 
13488742:HC__skier said:
The heart-rate gets people out of the adrenaline fixation.
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That is the reason most of this site and even most people ski. If they didn't want the adrenaline they would just sit at home watching tv or playing chess
 
13488831:kylemclean said:
That is the reason most of this site and even most people ski. If they didn't want the adrenaline they would just sit at home watching tv or playing chess
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You can also get a buzz driving a car fast (and still being relaxed,) rock climbing or downhill long-boarding. Also, surfing or bodyboarding.

But not in all the above activities at all times: so long as the fear-circuits don't kick in where the subconscious mind senses danger. If you look at Shaun White skateboarding, he usually has a big smile on his face (probably snowboarding too.)

gay: "lighthearted and carefree."

There's nothing wrong with being gay while skiing or boarding. Especially if wearing protection. You can even perform better.

Big-wave surfers are said to have very high adrenaline thresholds - they need those waves to get the adrenaline. Heartcarving is not like big-wave surfing in that respect.

BTW ask a giant slalom skier to go into switch during a GS race, I think they'd have a pretty hard time. On this Piste, where # of turns should be as high as possible and the skier is pretty much on edge the entire time, doing the switch is more difficult unless they straighten up beforehand (which they're not meant to do if striving to do most # of turns.) The switch hump is meant to launch them into the air while on edge, or if they time it right, exactly in-between turns. Or even if they ease-back on the turn and go off it diagonally. Anyhow, It should add some fun to the run regardless.

I have a video of me h-carving a piste here (it starts at 76 seconds and it's dedicated to any skiers from Paris.) I am turning the whole time. I realized here, that there's not a lot of air possibilities unless I hit some kind of hump (because my legs can't extend rapidly, due to their angle, and the g-force.)
 
13488791:rozboon said:
rozboon personally recommends the above post.
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13489019:HC__skier said:
You can also get a buzz driving a car fast (and still being relaxed,) rock climbing or downhill long-boarding. Also, surfing or bodyboarding.

But not in all the above activities at all times: so long as the fear-circuits don't kick in where the subconscious mind senses danger. If you look at Shaun White skateboarding, he usually has a big smile on his face (probably snowboarding too.)

gay: "lighthearted and carefree."

There's nothing wrong with being gay while skiing or boarding. Especially if wearing protection. You can even perform better.

Big-wave surfers are said to have very high adrenaline thresholds - they need those waves to get the adrenaline. Heartcarving is not like big-wave surfing in that respect.

BTW ask a giant slalom skier to go into switch during a GS race, I think they'd have a pretty hard time. On this Piste, where # of turns should be as high as possible and the skier is pretty much on edge the entire time, doing the switch is more difficult unless they straighten up beforehand (which they're not meant to do if striving to do most # of turns.) The switch hump is meant to launch them into the air while on edge, or if they time it right, exactly in-between turns. Or even if they ease-back on the turn and go off it diagonally. Anyhow, It should add some fun to the run regardless.

I have a video of me h-carving a piste here (it starts at 76 seconds and it's dedicated to any skiers from Paris.) I am turning the whole time. I realized here, that there's not a lot of air possibilities unless I hit some kind of hump (because my legs can't extend rapidly, due to their angle, and the g-force.)
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The only reason that I do not hate you is because Heartcarving is all about fun, and I can get behind that. But you remind me of all the kids at the local community college saying that they are going to be Surgeons and Lawyers, it's just not going to happen man.
 
13489033:ggfski42 said:
it's just not going to happen man.
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Well a person can count turns with a click counter. No electronics needed there.

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Two people could compete on # of turns with just two counters. One person can practice with just a stopwatch and a counter. If a few people do it, they could then speak to ski patrol and ask for a dedicated piste for it, including lines. Once a few people are doing it, the group could ask for jumps and features. At that point there is a market for a custom ski once the footage starts coming out.

People already want cordoned off blue runs just for fanging regardless of anything else. Even gapers.
 
During a comp, clickers are replaced with linespeople.

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The electronics would be ideal, especially in fog and on large pistes, but not wholly necessary.

Slalom has judges on-slope already to check for missed gates.
 
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Thanks Roo. He hopped into switch at the end - he used the drop (still nice though.) He didn't ski any of the course switch, which would be something to do on the HC Piste... made easier by the fact you're not dealing with gates (the hump should help you get into switch mid-way through a snake-run without needing to straighten up to do a conventional direction change). I think it's smart that you're dealing with a relatively pure course, not with artifacts you simply wouldn't find elsewhere (ie flat landing jumps and humps are located around the mountain naturally.)

It should make someone's everyday skiing better, to me it should be better than going into a robot class.

The heart-rate thing can be done too as a way to further Piste differentiate competitors rather than go into 1/100 second differences to work out a comp ranking.

Although, it's probably most appealing to fitness freaks.

It can also be used as a way to further hone one's technique. 2 watch monitors (Alpha and FT1) don't even require chest-straps, maybe they can run a stopwatch as well.
 
13488746:HC__skier said:
I think at the bottom of the chairlift of the Piste it should say:

"Stay safe. Wear a helmet, and beware of Rozboons."

Rozboons: people who always think you're wrong no matter what you do or how you do it. They know better virtually all the time, and they'll let you know about it too, at all opportune times. Even if you clone them, the problem will be that you're not original.
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I really want to change my username to Rozboon
 
Hey dude, I see there is a lot of hate already associated with your past threads/product but this is actually the first time I hear of this, and I can start to see why the hate is there...just a few questions:

13489019:HC__skier said:
You can also get a buzz driving a car fast (and still being relaxed,) rock climbing or downhill long-boarding. Also, surfing or bodyboarding.

But not in all the above activities at all times: so long as the fear-circuits don't kick in where the subconscious mind senses danger. If you look at Shaun White skateboarding, he usually has a big smile on his face (probably snowboarding too.)

gay: "lighthearted and carefree."

There's nothing wrong with being gay while skiing or boarding. Especially if wearing protection. You can even perform better.

Big-wave surfers are said to have very high adrenaline thresholds - they need those waves to get the adrenaline. Heartcarving is not like big-wave surfing in that respect.

BTW ask a giant slalom skier to go into switch during a GS race, I think they'd have a pretty hard time. On this Piste, where # of turns should be as high as possible and the skier is pretty much on edge the entire time, doing the switch is more difficult unless they straighten up beforehand (which they're not meant to do if striving to do most # of turns.) The switch hump is meant to launch them into the air while on edge, or if they time it right, exactly in-between turns. Or even if they ease-back on the turn and go off it diagonally. Anyhow, It should add some fun to the run regardless.

I have a video of me h-carving a piste here (it starts at 76 seconds and it's dedicated to any skiers from Paris.) I am turning the whole time. I realized here, that there's not a lot of air possibilities unless I hit some kind of hump (because my legs can't extend rapidly, due to their angle, and the g-force.)
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So first of all, watched your vid, a part from the fact that you have obnoxious oddly shaped wooden skis, you're just carving dude, I can do that with my pow skis on fresh packed snow, and give me some gs skis ill stay on edge as long as the slope goes down. So wtf is the point of those skis???

I'm really failing to understand the heart rate thing? You're monitoring your heart rate while you ski? wtf is the point of that? You look at it afterwards? how the fuck does it work, I'm so confused...

So the point of your course is to be able to jump while carving right and landing on your edges right? that's like the most pointless dangerous thing to do xD and if you like the feeling of carving and taking air just learn some carved 3s, or if you wanna lean more into it carved corks or even underflips.

Btw, it's not the switch, but just switch. Did The Switch joke come from you? Man I feel like I've missed a part of ns history here.

I'm right with you regarding protection and skiing, gotta stay safe of sure (although if you've never tried it, do a few laps with a hat or beanie and you'll understand why so many "unsafe" people do it all the time: it feels fucking awesome)

You can easily pop while carving, the problem is landing (but tbh, why would you wanna pop in the first place?), landing on your edges is near impossible (and a very good way to fuck your knees up) and you're leaning so unless you're going crazy fast and the slope angle doesn't change while you jump, you'll always fall over. What's this bullshit about g-force? you mean gravity?

Lastly, why you dedicating the vid to Paris skiers? you from there? I live there. Are you french?

Not trying to sound too negative here, I just don't understand most (or any) of the heart carve skis and your weird course :)
 
If only you could ride them with a back pack with 20 kilos of gear lugging it into the middle of no where. Do you have a touring option? Otherwise don't see what is the point of being environmentally friendly when you have to use lifts to access terrain. I kindheartedly hope that riding these skis will not benefit your health and you will succumb to a slow and certain death in the french alps. Stick to mono-skiing maybe you might learn something about the real world instead of smoking crystal heart carve meth.
 
PhotoGraphic - I think the Heartslayers (2013) would make a seriously great touring ski because they are light (I think they are about 1.5 kg each without binding,) quite short (155) with large surface area that float (full rocker), cut through anything and I think could be used on a steep runs to control speed (very parabolic.) Someone made that observation on TGR. The only problem is they are wide (170), so legs have to be around shoulder width apart when trudging. The last 1/3 or my colab entry has me ski powder (starts 3:18.)

These new skis should also be good in pow but not for touring, although I can't be sure. The AK is the full-rocker design whereas the Meathammer has a flat section in middle for making landings more stable.
 
McLS - C'était un rendez-vous is a cult classic car movie from 1976 filmed in Paris which you can see here (Drive oco here.) I just ran that video in the corner of my piste carving vid (linked here again.) I did that because the skiing in that video made me feel the same way as when watching that car video. My grandparents lived in France during WWII (gf actually fought in French resistance and crossed Pyrenees on foot.. not sure on precise details) and skied there a fair bit. I've skied there a few times myself.

On the Heartslayers it is very easy to jump turn - coming out of turn and changing edge-side whilst hopping up into the air. (I've seen snowboarders do this more times whilst boarding around than skiers who usually do it in race training, moreso than in their free skiing.) I am very sure it is easier to do this jump-turn on the heartslayers than with rozboon(conventional) type race skiing because I can easily crouch and spring up with my body straight like a rod. This is because I am neither squatting during the turn nor bent at the hip, and have my hand by my sides. In other words, I am not retarded.

I want the switch hump (maybe better to just call it the the hump) to be used during these jump turns to allow a switch to take place as well. (switch as in a verb, ie to change direction.) People say "he skiing switch" maybe people could also say "he's skiing switched, after he made the switch." Whatever, I am happy to use the word backwards.
 
13489293:McLS said:
I'm right with you regarding protection and skiing, gotta stay safe of sure (although if you've never tried it, do a few laps with a hat or beanie and you'll understand why so many "unsafe" people do it all the time: it feels fucking awesome)

You can easily pop while carving, the problem is landing (but tbh, why would you wanna pop in the first place?), landing on your edges is near impossible (and a very good way to fuck your knees up) and you're leaning so unless you're going crazy fast and the slope angle doesn't change while you jump, you'll always fall over. What's this bullshit about g-force? you mean gravity?

Lastly, why you dedicating the vid to Paris skiers? you from there? I live there. Are you french?

Not trying to sound too negative here, I just don't understand most (or any) of the heart carve skis and your weird course :)
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I skied with a beanie most of my life and never had any problem with hitting my head but moved to a helmet just as a precaution.

Landing on edges is easy and won't hurt your knees if your body is straight. Rozboon's skiing annoys me because it is hard on the knees, because the shoulders often face a different direction to the skis: the knees are often the weak link. I started getting knee-whip just doing normal piste skiing even at 13 years old. The body doesn't work well as a torsional, often bent spring.
 
McLS -- The heart rate thing is about many things including consciousness, fitness and style. There is a resting heart rate and different heart-rates that are optimal for different activities. I know that adrenaline pushes my heart-rate way up and I don't want that. I want to be chilled out. The monitor just makes me more aware of my heart rate and current state. I've never used one but want to.

Why do people wear these monitors in the first place? It's not a big deal, no one's going to force anone to use it, but I think it could be used in competition to really ascertain someone's true ski ability. I think people that can successfully nail this course all day will have a lower heart rate than people that tire after a few runs, because they are unfit or their style is as wack.
 
13489652:HC__skier said:
McLS -- The heart rate thing is about many things including consciousness, fitness and style. There is a resting heart rate and different heart-rates that are optimal for different activities. I know that adrenaline pushes my heart-rate way up and I don't want that. I want to be chilled out. The monitor just makes me more aware of my heart rate and current state. I've never used one but want to.

Why do people wear these monitors in the first place? It's not a big deal, no one's going to force anone to use it, but I think it could be used in competition to really ascertain someone's true ski ability. I think people that can successfully nail this course all day will have a lower heart rate than people that tire after a few runs, because they are unfit or their style is as wack.
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ok so you didn't really answer much above, just so I try to grasp the utility of your skis: you say you can jump turn easier than on normal skis? I was a serious racer for any years a let me tell you I am sure I can jump from edge to edge with a fis blizzard slalom ski much easier than on your skis, I mean if that's what you're looking for, those have so much bounce you'll get thrown out if you turn too fast without a perfect stance.

The heart rate thing can never happen in comps...people who do comps are competitive, you need motivation, and adrenaline acts as a pretty huge factor in a comp, even more in freestyle comps. Instead of trying to get away from it, you should use it, control it, adrenaline is the reason a lot of us ski. Lowering your heart rate won't make you less tired after a course, you're physically doing the same thing.
 
13489647:HC__skier said:
PhotoGraphic - I think the Heartslayers (2013) would make a seriously great touring ski because they are light (I think they are about 1.5 kg each without binding,) quite short (155)
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1,5 kg per ski on a 155 lenght is quite heavy for a touring ski
 
mstevo - they are a very fat ski at the tips. Unfortunately I don't know their exact weight, they were made by Idris and have a pine core (they still have the moulds if you want a pair.) The few people that picked them up commented how light they were. Someone else is storing them for me. Sorry.
 
13489710:THEDIRTYBUBBLE said:
Will Heartcarve ever make a park model?
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Maybe, but it won't be coming from me, I don't really like parks and that's why I've been thinking about the custom piste. People get influenced by other designs, so if it ever takes off, you may see design elements from HC filter into "park skis" as they currently are... or rather the piste features move into the park first.
 
13489662:McLS said:
you'll get thrown out if you turn too fast without a perfect stance.

The heart rate thing can never happen in comps...people who do comps are competitive, you need motivation, and adrenaline acts as a pretty huge factor in a comp, even more in freestyle comps. Instead of trying to get away from it, you should use it, control it, adrenaline is the reason a lot of us ski. Lowering your heart rate won't make you less tired after a course, you're physically doing the same thing.
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Exactly.. unstable and demanding - is that everyday usable and enjoyable?

Maybe, heart-rate monitors are pretty mainstream in usage by athletics people... it's not an area of expertise for me, but I know I don't like my heart pounding when I ski. I want to be chilled and GAY (as in the original meaning of the word.)
 
13489731:HC__skier said:
Exactly.. unstable and demanding - is that everyday usable and enjoyable?

Maybe, heart-rate monitors are pretty mainstream in usage by athletics people... it's not an area of expertise for me, but I know I don't like my heart pounding when I ski. I want to be chilled and GAY (as in the original meaning of the word.)
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Dude, you're honestly talking out of your ass. I'm sorry to say it, but most of what you're saying is nonsensical. Why do you want to measure your heart rate, what is the purpose of it?

Do you even know why people in endurance sports monitor their heart rate? And have you noticed that it is almost exclusively endurance athletes that do it? As opposed to something explosive like skiing?

You blurt out a bunch of nonsensical things, but give no real reason or idea behind it.
 
Nah look into Target Heart Rate and Maximum Heart range... there is a range that people can strive to achieve. Remember, I am heartcarving throughout the whole day at terminal velocity and on edge. The biggest stress I have is keeping my spine erect under then intense g-force (so no explosions.) For lunch I just soak in the sun rays, and rejoice in my gaiety with or without others. Explosions are possible for apres-ski and in private.
 
13489962:HC__skier said:
Nah look into Target Heart Rate and Maximum Heart range... there is a range that people can strive to achieve. Remember, I am heartcarving throughout the whole day at terminal velocity and on edge. The biggest stress I have is keeping my spine erect under then intense g-force (so no explosions.) For lunch I just soak in the sun rays, and rejoice in my gaiety with or without others. Explosions are possible for apres-ski and in private.
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Wow, you just outdid yourself in talking nonsense. This makes no sense what so ever.
 
Not sure how important this is, but according to TMZ, those two-wheel scooters are becoming very popular with A-list Hollywood stars (may G-d bless their souls.) I am thinking that these same people (with all their exposure and $$) could also become interested in this custom piste thing, as the body position in h-carving seems similar to that of those scooters.

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Now that is going to be very good for the ski industry when they start posting pics into their Instagram from Aspen or wherever with their Meathammers.

These Hollywood stars are not going to want to ski a normal park and come out with a broken leg or busted knee.

Just a thought.
 
13489962:HC__skier said:
Nah look into Target Heart Rate and Maximum Heart range... there is a range that people can strive to achieve. Remember, I am heartcarving throughout the whole day at terminal velocity and on edge. The biggest stress I have is keeping my spine erect under then intense g-force (so no explosions.) For lunch I just soak in the sun rays, and rejoice in my gaiety with or without others. Explosions are possible for apres-ski and in private.
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Yeah man, that's some revolutionary shit right there.

You are pushing the physical boundaries of the human body, soakin up rays at terminal velocity and rejoicing gaily pre explosion (with or without others).
 
13490010:marrows said:
Yeah man, that's some revolutionary shit right there.

You are pushing the physical boundaries of the human body, soakin up rays at terminal velocity and rejoicing gaily pre explosion (with or without others).
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To me it's revolutionary to not be hungry at lunchtime because you're so full of stoke and your body still feels good (day after day.) So I just soak in some sun rays and drink some water.
 
13490022:HC__skier said:
To me it's revolutionary to not be hungry at lunchtime because you're so full of stoke and your body still feels good (day after day.) So I just soak in some sun rays and drink some water.
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finally someone else who promotes photosynthesis instead of food, and I thought I was the only plant life posting here
 
13489994:HC__skier said:
Not sure how important this is, but according to TMZ, those two-wheel scooters are becoming very popular with A-list Hollywood stars (may G-d bless their souls.) I am thinking that these same people (with all their exposure and $$) could also become interested in this custom piste thing, as the body position in h-carving seems similar to that of those scooters.

Now that is going to be very good for the ski industry when they start posting pics into their Instagram from Aspen or wherever with their Meathammers.

These Hollywood stars are not going to want to ski a normal park and come out with a broken leg or busted knee.

Just a thought.
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You are thinking way to deep into this. Step back and take a look at the ski world, is this ski needed? In my view no. It seems like you know how to make skis so why not just make custom skis for people? Have them come to you with the skis they want and stop pushing a ski no one wants. You could become the only person in your country making custom skis. I have no idea what the ski market there is like, but if you are the only one you should do well.

I get it though you want to try something new but sorry guy it isnt working.
 
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