I've had two pairs that I've really liked for the most part....I had 03/04 (black/white graphic) and I still have 04/05 (black/gold).....I think that overall they're a great all mountain ski, kinda stiffish for a twin tip, which is nice. My only beef is that I have fucked them up on rails.....one edge on each ski has at least 4 breaks in it, so they have pretty much become a park only ski for me.