Had a knee injury from skiing? Take my survey.

SparkNotes: If you had a knee injury while skiing take this survey. Thanks, I will share the results when I get them. +K too, I guess.
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2N2RPP5

This survey is only for those who sustained a knee injury while skiing. After suffering two ACLs on the same knee along with a current partial tear, these are questions that I have long wanted to answer but never have. Everyone has different opinions. To my knowledge no study has been done on the relationship between types of bindings and knee injuries. I am extremely interested to see the results.
I realize this thread is kinda a bummer but what we learn from it may help prevent future injuries.
Any suggestions and comments on the survey would be appreciated. I realize that some questions may not be completely straight forward. Try your best.
Thanks!
 
great post, interest in this big time.

I have been thinking, we should sort of promote "knee advocacy" to the youth of the sport. It is a HUGE problem, as it seems most pros go through it, and many locals.

I am 25, and own a dog hiking business. I have had constant knee pain 2+ years. I wish wore SOMETHING on my knees through the past 10 years of skiing. Cant believe it actually turned into bothering me 24/7. Heck, even just the cheap neo braces from walmart would have probably helped over time with stability.

 
Done. Tore both my ACLs at the same time overshooting a booter last year. Should be back on snow in February!
 
I did my right ACL last year, just did something to my left knee on Sunday, but its not bad at all, I think I might go skiing tomorrow. Filled out the survey, interested to see what you come out with.
 
Hi,I got 3 Acl surgery's. 2 on the same one and back on my skis it's been one month now.Hitting jumps, rails and getting back to it slowly.I am doing a lot of research as well. We should talk, I would love to share and exchangeinfo and thoughts about knee injuries.maude.raymond@live.ca
 
I think SPK boots are bad news for knees, way too high of a cuff and almost no neutral forward lean. I got rid of mine for some full tilts, and my surgery knee feels much better skiing in the fulltilts.
 
Finished...I have a partially torn ACL in my right knee and torn meniscuses (menisci?) in both knees, all from park jumps. I use a brace now for my right knee, but I still ski (and run, bike, horseback ride, etc) so I'm ok with requiring a little extra support for that ACL as long as I can still be active.
 
did it. i completely tore my ACL and completely tore my meniscus (medial/lateral) and fractured my tibia ski racing.. cause of where the tear is in the Meniscus i have to get open surgery which means 4-6 weeks on crutches. not stoked. but what i am stoked for is seeing the results of this test. and i agree with a previous poster, knee injury advocacy type stuff is definitely a great idea imo.
 
Went to the doc today, turns out I dislocated my patella and there is a possible chip. Going for an MRI this later this week. Guess I am filling out your survey again.
 
taken, definitely interested to see the result. speaking of which...

KIDS: don't crank your bindings to 15. its completely unnecessary. 11-12 is pleeeenty to hold you in.
 
I am the binding engineer who has been involved with 3 of the world's only alpine ski-bindings that can mitigate knee injuries - and I am the co-developer of the DIN-system for ski bindings. Her are my thoughts:

First, I will give you my background so that you can understand where I'm coming from. When I was 8, I was skiing w my dad and a skier hit me from behind, blind-side (never saw the guy at the moment of impact) and sustained a spiral tibia fracture. My dad had set-up the bindings - so he felt badly because it was known that a spiral tibia fracture meant that the toe-piece did not release. Then when I was 11, I landed a jump on top of an unseen, slightly under the snow tree stump on a open-trail - and I sustained a green-stick tibia fracture. Again, my dad had set-up my bindings and it was known that a green-stick tibia fracture meant that the heel-unit did not release. These events took place in the 1960's. My dad then took my equipment to our neighbor who wrote the articles in Skiing magazine (every month for 10-yrs) on bindings. This neighbor was also the man who developed the world's first release adjustment charts based on skier weight, 'ability' and boot sole length; he developed the 1st devices to measure the release of ski-bindings and he developed the first 'mechanical AFD' under the ball of the foot. I broke my leg, again ... all the while aggressively participating in other contact sports (soccer, motorcross) with zero injuries. When I broke my leg the 3rd time at age 13 - i knew right them what my life's work would be. I decided to go to work for my neighbor (as his helper in the Skiing magazine binding reviews) to see what was going on. During this time while working w my neighbor, I decided that bindings could have more edge control (by making the 4 contact interfaces with the boot, wider: that would be the heel pad, the AFD, the toe cup and the heel cup) so that the bindings' release mechanism did not have to 'work so hard' to provide edge control. Salomon bought my designs and integrated them into a line of new bindings that became #1-selling, world-wide during the early and mid-1970's. I then went to engineering and business school, joined the skiing safety organizations (ASTM and ISSS), became 5th-ranked in the US in the DH event of alpine ski racing, while also racing on the Div 1 college circuit - and at night, in my part-time ski-shop located up on the mountain (above where you load onto the lifts - where my customers could ski-into my shop), I developed what became the DIN-system. My engineering thesis was on how ski bindings effect ski performance (electronically measured ski vibration on-slope and in the lab at MIT). Immediately out of college, I was hired by Geze ski-binding company based in Stüttgart, Germany and helped this mittlestand company (with 50 German engineers; 5,000 employees and 200-million of annual revenue) radically develop its line of ski-bindings. The woman who owned Geze (Brigitte Vöster-Alber) was committed to plowing 30-million $ into developing the bindings and she had already hired-away several people from Salomon who I already knew. During my 8-years at Geze the bindings went from worst-rated to best and the company went from a 2% market-share to a 20% share and then she sold-off the binding-division of the company to Abel (a Swiss watch company, who only a few months later sold the binding-division to Group Bernard Tapie in France, who sold to Rossignol. This is how you know these bindings because Rossi also purchased Look at the same time, then 'merged' the technologies from both brands into Rossi, Dynastar, Look and Roxi.

While I was at Geze we developed (costing 5-million $) the SE3 - the world's 1st 'knee-friendly' alpine ski binding. It was also radically expensive at that time (1979) at US$300 ($150 more than all others). It had independently adjustable vertical and lateral toe release. The independent adjustability allowed skiers to tune-in higher release-settings (din's - but you should not call release settings din's....more on that, later) for vertical compared to lateral so that lateral release would not be compromised if you needed higher vertical release. This binding also featured the world's first 'friction compensator' built-into the AFD. But the binding was ugly, heavy and expensive, so after only selling about 10,000 pair over 3-years, we killed it in 1982. What a shame that we did not make it lighter and better-styled because it did mitigate BIAD ACL injuries (we proved that, biomechanically). BIAD ACL injuries occur when you land all the way in the back-seat.

I left Geze in 1986 after working for 5-years on the side (with a non-corporate opportunity agreement with Geze) to invent, develop and launch the world's 1st hands-off clipless bicycle pedal system, CycleBinding (which is a ski-binding on a bicycle). Over a million pair have been sold per year for over 25-yrs - and these pedals originally have some degree of laxity, rotationally, to mitigate knee-stress during each revolution of pedaling. I then sold that company - and invented and developed the 1st high tech line of snowshoes for Tubbs: this endeavor taught me much about developing high-durability products for use in extreme cold weather (Tubbs is #1 in snowshoes for the past 20-yrs). I was then asked by a small twin-tip ski company located in Burlington, Vermont to help them develop their 'knee-friendly' binding -- but these guys, who had zero experience designing ski-bindings, completely ignored my advice and the binding literally fell apart ... but they shipped them to skiers anyway and they lost over 3-million $. A big ski company bought them out and the binding was killed. This binding had no hope as designed by the original ski-designer.

I then utilized public data from a $700,000 research project conducted by a great team of leading biomechanicists in Montreal -- to develop what became KneeBinding. This binding is intended to mitigate Phantom Foot induced ACL injuries (which injury mechanism contributes to approx 70 to 80% of all skiing-ACL injuries; whereas BIAD -- noted above -- contributes to about 8 to 10% of all skiing-ACL injuries). I worked for 10-years withoput pay and applied my entire life's savings to develop this binding; then the investor that I brought into the company (who was to supply $1.5m, but only put-in $1m during the time he was supposed to put-in $1m) squeezed me out of my company beginning the day after he placed the investment (against his earlier promise not to) -- and we have been locked in a legal mess, including litigation, for the past 3-years. This binding, KneeBinding, when it meets my specifications, reduces ACL injuries. I have applied $300,000 to my lawyers to regain my binding company - and now need another $350,000 at this time to complete the mission in court. As soon as the judge rules that I can regain my binding company, I will complete its final development, then ship them to skiers everywhere. If I don't find a source for the remaining $350,000 for my lawyers, I will lose the litigation and the binding will die because the investor who stole my company and my technology has no clues on proper engineering, testing and marketing.... If any of you are serious about a solution, help me source the remaining $350,000 for my lawyers (can be paid directly to my lawyers to insure transparency) -- and we, ALL OF US, will have a real solution for the skiing knee injury situation. Rick Howell, Stowe, Vermont [www.HowellProductDev.com].
 
Also, in order to have a 'valid' survey (sorry) you need to compare the injured sample with a control-group (control-population) so that the differences between the two groups have meaning as to what the causes of the problems are. To do this, you can ref the definitive textbook on how to do this, "Essential Evidence-Based Medicine" by Dan Mayer, MD (who is also the head of ER at Albany Medical Center.
 
hold a 'presale' for your bindings like the outerwear manufacturers do here. it pays your bills before you even deliver a product!
 
This is exactly what happened to me. I overshot the hell out of a jump at Stowe last year doing a 7, the binding did not pop off because I didn't twist, I landed so hard backseat which is what caused it.

I dislocated my kneecap by sidestepping up a pile of snow used for the inrun at a railjam at Sugarbush last weekend. Stepped down on soft snow, knee buckled to the side.

As far as knee bindings, I have seen them on the hill. As far as park skiing, not sure if they would hold up, plus the whole right and left foot binding doesn't really help when you want to switch skis to evenly wear down the edges.

Whatever happened to that kid who made a thread that got real long about his binding design? I want to see more about that.
 
That "long thread" was moi.

As for KneeBinding (that's a brand name with a capital "K" and a capital "B", one-word), the left / right (asymmetric) aspect of it mitigates pre-release. If the heel releases both way (in the absence of other features) it would pre-release. As for "holding-up" - yes, that's probably correct: I had a metal version in the works while the purported investor squeezed me out of my company ... which metal binding is bomb-proof. Further, the pivot-point of the brake design that I was developing was high-up off the snow so that when you land, fakie, the ends of the brake-arms didn't touch the snow, even when the vertical elasticity of the heel-unit is max'ed-out. I don't need to tell you guys what happens when the ends of the brake arms touch the snow when you land fackie: that's an instant ACL-injury ... and you guys already know which binding has that problem (that recently 're-appeared' on the market, last year). You can expect that ACL-injuries will increase, again, now that that binding is back. Unfortunately, the purported investor who stole my company and my technology recently modified the heel pad design with a LOWER pivot-point on the brake-arms, making it entirely possible for KneeBinding to now have the same problems that the other (above mentioned) binding has when you land fakie. .... / ....

As to the other good suggestion about placing "futures orders" — great. How many pair would you like to pre-order at $600 per pair (what's your ACL worth to you?), noting that nothing in my proposed new line of 'Howell' ski-bindings contains any 'means plus function' contained in any of the claims of my KneeBinding patents (yet). You can send checks to my company;

Howell Product Development, Inc.

PO Box 1274

79A Mansfield View Drive

Stowe, VT 05672

1-802-793-4849

"Family-Pack" pre-orders of 10 to 29 pair receive a 10% discount; 30 to 99 pair 12% discount; 100-pr + 15% discount. Shipment date: Aug 15th, 2012. Free shipping if you order now.

The best compliment you can give on this mission is an order — and I'm serious.

Rick Howell, Stowe, Vt

 
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