GUNS!!!!!

Another vote for the 10/22 here. Definitely one of if not the best first gun you could have. Don't listen to anyone saying that you should get a bigger caliber first... Everyone should start on a .22 to learn proper technique.
 
.22 LR is a great rifle to get for just going out and shooting.

It is also a hell of a survival round, although I would personally take .22 magnum over it for survival purposes

.22 LR ammo is cheap, which makes it less painful to go out and blow through a few hundred rounds. It is also a subsonic round, with plenty of great suppressor options for it. If you have gun shy neighbors, you can shoot it without any real sound pollution to bother them. I would get an conversion kit for an AR.

5.56 is decently cheep, although increasing rapidly due to the election. I don't like paying more than .40 a round for bulk 55gr or 62gr (XM193 and M855) surplus. It is a supersonic round, so even with a suppressor it is loud. You can build up a decent new AR15 for sub $800. Plus is that a conversion kit for .22LR makes that rifle cheap to shoot.

For defense purposes 5.56 will penetrate less than 9mm through drywall, wood, and people. The bullet needs to be traveling fast for desirable terminal ballistics in your prey be it 2 or 4 legged.

If you are looking for a good rifle for home defense purpose (get a fucking shotgun) I would look at .300 blackout. I don't really like to jump on bandwagon rounds, but this one looks like a keeper. Nice medium to short range ballistics. It is also subsonic, and you simply need a new barrel to make it work on your 5.56 AR15. It is more expensive though.

9mm is well 9mm. I would get it to shoot at paper and not a whole lot else. over penetrates, doesn't kill reliably... better than nothing I guess

.45 The only handgun round worth carrying. subsonic, so suppressible, and brings the hurt.
 
300 black out is just 7.62x39 made to feed reliably in the ar platform. Id rather get two guns (ak pattern and used 10/22) than an ar and conversion kit.
 
Have you compared .300 blackout to 7.62x39 past 150m?

What is the weight difference? What are the differences in terminal ballistics in live tissue?

Those things matter.
 
As a big hunter, I love the classic look of the henry rifle, being that if you go back in history henry made one of the first repeating rifles, which if you like the historical point its pretty sick, also lever action rifles are some of the most reliable rifles, rarely jam, depends what your going to use the rifle for semi-automatic is alot of fun. but ruger rifles are pretty decent, if you don't take care of them you'll face them jamming up just because of the semi-automatic, but I like ruger pistols better than their rifles, If it was up to me I would go with the henry just cause you can't beat the wood, stock look. But best of luck!
 
Not meaning to thread jack, but if I was looking at buying a rifle mostly for deer hunting, maybe use it for other large game, what rifles and rounds should I look at?
 
In the mountains on eastern Washington and Northern Idaho, lots of brush, I always liked bolt action and lever action rifles
 
at least you have a good reason to purchase a firearm.

I only use Thompson arms any more, they make mostly single shots which I like for hunting. The gun I use is the Thompson contender it is VERY light. the caliber I use is 7-30 waters. I like it but it is a rare caliber and bullets are expensive. I have shot two deer at 160 yards with it and neither of them ran more then 5 yards so it is powerful.

without knowing a brand/price range it is hard to really recommend something. What I can do is tell you about calibers though. I would say .243 might be your best bet since it is cheap and powerful and has very little recoil.
 
The difference in energy between 300 and 7.62X 39 is 5% in hunting loads. I think your thinking of 7.62 surplus which are considered very mild. Past 150m is a moot point because if you engage human targets at that distance you might as well put a bullet through your head and save the gov some money and time. For hunting this is also a moot point because in the forest the farthest shot you take will be less than 100 m. Out west in the open you will have shots ranging from 100m to 450 considering that the 300 ethical kill (500ft lb) range is only 250m the round is considered ill suited to long range hunting. Thus in real world applications there is no difference between 300 blck and 7.62 and 7.62 is 15 cents a round surplus and you can find it every where. There are exception where 300 black is much better than 7.62 particularly in short barrel srbs but that point is also moot because you cant put a folding stock on an ar because of the buffer tub. I guess if you have a ar go for it because you only have to change the barrel but if you had no guns i would suggest buying a 10/22 used and a saiga.

 
I've posted the gun regulation laws in other threads in their entirety, but I don't remember off-hand, but he said it was a long waiting period, a psychological test by the police authority and now he has the license so he can order the rifle.

Ammo is bought separate and he has to belong to some kind of hunting/shooting club which he does to carry it around unclipped from place to place. He'll use it only for target practice in a shooting gallery for now, though, and he is an army reserve lieutenant and possibly can take it as his operational weapon in their army hijinx.
 
go with a 30-06 bolt action, great brush gun, has the power to knock down a monster buck, compact gun makes moving through brush with it a breeze, and u can usually find them for a decent price
 
Sigh there's no such thing as a class iii license. Suppressors, SBRs, AOW, Destructive devices and Automatics are all classified under the NFA act and require a tax stamp that costs $200. Not a license
 
No it's not it's got a lot of other huge improvements like bullet weight, ballistics and it's unbelievable preformance out of short barreled and suppressed ARs
 
i have 23 guns. 3 of them are rugers (SR9, mini 30, and 10/22). several of my friends also have it. since the rounds are so cheap we usually dump 25 rounds as fast as we can. we like to put a water bottle or something on a steep slope and take turns shooting it preventing it from rolling down below where it started...we used to do that with our ARs and higher caliber rifles but that got too expensive so we bought the 22s. if your just lookin to have some cheap fun, you cant beat the 10/22.
 
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red dot:

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couplers:

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best price on mags here:

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in reality, the 10/22 is the most reliable/accurate/upgradeable you can get. but the m&p 15-22 looks sick completely stock and has that AR feel.
 
I got a Chinese version (mac 90) of an ak47 and I love it... Ammo is cheaper then .223, the gun itself was 1000000 times cheaper then my ar, it's much more simple, and I think it's more fun to shoot.
 
I live in the Appalachian mountains. Nuff said. In total I own 5 guns, a colt 45, mini 14, sig 9mm that I can stick in my pocket, mosin nagant, and a ar15
 
Handguns for self defense, the mosin is for hunting, and the assault rifles are for fighting the hippies
 
This.

.22s are great for plinking and target shooting but nothing beats a Mossberg 500 pistol grip pump in close quarters with some #4 or 00 buckshot. Hell, even if you run out of ammo the end of the barrell is a spiked melon baller made for breaching but is also great for smashing through heads.

There's no scarier sound than a 12 ga round racking in a pump.
 
the good thing about a shotgun for self defense: you can have no skill and still hit someone

the bad: you will destroy everything around your target.

I think the real reason op wants a gun is to sound like a badass, a .22 is the best gun for target shooting, after that there really isnt much you can do with it. it can be used for self defense but you are looking at a rifle which would be pretty dumb.

the hunting thing is dumb also since you are a minor and you can not buy a license for yourself. nor can you go hunting buy yourself until you are 17.
 
10/22 are good and cheap and also cheap to shoot!

The thing is they feel cheap I have a few..

I would go with a nice shotgun or think about getting your pistol permit and buy a ruger mark2
 
Miss my mosin best 90$ I ever spent. And a piece of history. But I tripled up on it and got 290$ after Obama was elected and people bought like crazy
 
Why do people collect anything? It's interesting and fun. Also why do people buy different pairs of skis? Because different pairs do excel at different things
 
What model/year/make Mosin did you have? Any interesting markings, and is it numbers matching? I've never seen a 91/30 go for much more than $150.
 
I'm not really sure. It was darker wood furniture had a folding 3 edged bayonet that looped over the muzzel an authentic Russian sling. It was in good condition and I sold it to a none gun person who just wanted a dirt cheap rifle that fed cheap ammo and wasn't .22. I wanted to SBR it just for fun and make a bubba gun, I'll probably buy another one someday to do that. But ya they are usually cheap around here though it's not rare to see them for 200$ new and still covered in cosmoline but I wouldn't pay much more than 150
 
Quite over analyzing. I am not buying a gun to "sound badass" i think it would be super fun just to plink at the range. Would also give me some peace of mind having a weapon in the house. Your opinions on guns are terribly rigid. From what i understand you think that a gun is either for hunting or self defense or it is pointless and shouldnet be had. I own 2 bb guns and a pellet gun. A .22 is the natural next step up in my enjoyment for shooting.
 
yeah thats why I have a nice collection of pistols. I love target shooting. probably going to go shooting today and kill some time.

but I think you should really wait until you are 18.
 
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