Guns part two

beer.

beer.

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well the last thread I made on guns made me really angry and I overreacted. I dont like using harsh language but the thread drew out so many dumb people that I got so pissed. so I'm making this thread so I can clear things up.

I am against the right for everyone to own a gun. not everyone should be able to. obviously people convicted of violent crimes shouldn't. we already have laws to prevent this. but what are the dangers of guns?

some people are irrate, short-tempered, or insecure and believe they have something to prove. most murders are not premeditated, and if they are, the killer may have decided they were going to kill the person hours or a few days beforehand. the guy who kills his cheating wife the next day technically commits first degree murder, but he didn't "premeditate" on it much. so maybe if he had some time to cool down, he might not have done it. we cant know this for sure, but if the guy has a gun, he is definitely not less likely to commit murder.

but how many times have you read in the paper "the two were seen having an altercation outside in the parking lot. so-and-so then went to his car, retrieved his firearm, and shot so-and-so." or something along those lines. this happens all the time.

we can't screen against people who are likely to commit these types of heat-of-the-moment type murders. its not possible, we dont have the resources to do intensive psychological tests necessary to do so, and even if we did, it wouldnt guarantee anything.

so, that being said, wouldnt you think these murders would be less likely to occur without guns? yes, I know you can kill someone with a knife. but physically assaulting someone, even with a weapon, takes a lot more effort than shooting someone with a gun. you cannot argue against that. strength, coordination, and determination come into play, because you have to physically overpower the person on some level, even if you come up from behind them with a bat. things can go wrong much more easily, and it can take many stab wounds or blows to actually kill someone. you also have to have determination. I might be able to shoot someone under the right circumstances, but stabbing them would be harder. its gross.

so, criminals will get ahold of guns. but it would be more difficult for them. how difficult? I don't know. but you cant argue against this. how do most convicted felons get ahold of guns? well, a person with a clean record will purchase dozens of guns legally, and then sell them without any discretion for a profit. if that person cant buy them in the first place, that scenario wont happen. banning guns will also make them very expensive since they become a black market product. intelligent, career criminals will probably still get guns, but they are a rarity.

to people who hunt: guns are fine for this. the types of murders I described earlier generally involve handguns.

that being said, I was thinking of purchasing a gun. I trust MYSELF with a gun. but there are a lot of people I don't trust. that doesnt make me a hypocrite at all. I think it might be fun to shoot one, and thats it. me not buying a gun is not going to change the second amendment. and I dont feel so strongly against guns that I am going to organize any type of movement to make them illegal. so thats it.

I think that just about covers everything. if youre going to call me a retard or a hypocrite, try reading what I wrote.
 
yeah thats a good point. I dunno, both would be cool, especially shooting clay pigeons. but handguns are so prevalent in movies that they seem cooler. I know its a fascination based off violence, but I wouldnt ever want to have to use one on a person. its fun to imagine being jack bauer or whoever though. but thats fake violence, and theres a big difference.
 
im a gun person, and i think you just need to stop making threads about this shit. the way youre framing stuff is just going to get people arguing again like last time. saying you want to get a pistol because they're in the movies and you want to act like jack bauer is one of the stupidest things ive ever heard. but dont take my word for it, i guarantee this thread will have like 80 other posts like this before i get home from class today.
 
Rifles remind me of sniper movies and the report you get echoes forever, it always brings back memories of hunting as a wee lad. In general hitting what your aiming at is usually more fun, handguns are harder to use accurately than you think. If you like a challenge though and you harbor some kind of obsession with 24 than by all means get a handgun, keep in mind depending on your state laws it is harder to get a handgun.

Also if your really serious about buying a gun, do a little research into local gun shows around you. It's like a flea market for gun sales, you'll find better deals and sometimes wierder guns you wouldn't see at a local shop.
 
man you said ppl that are short tempered shouldnt be packing, i thikn you may have just ruled yourself out!
 
yeah but theres a difference arguing on the internet isnt shooting someone. I'm a quaker and I follow a lot of buddhist teachings, my parents are buddhists. trust me I'm like the least likely person to kill someone. I just get short-tempered when people immediately call me a "fucking retard" when they didnt even read what I wrote. if you have a problem with something, say it in more of a constructive way. maybe NS isnt the place to find people like this.

also I'm not obsessed with 24, thats just an example. and I'm not stupid for using that example, we play violent videogames because violence is cool when its not real. real violence is bad.
 
People who want guns will ALWAYS have access to guns. Weed is illegal and you know should know how easy it is to get weed. I will agree with you guns make committing a crime easier and people with known anger and mental problems should not own a gun but how could this be policed?
 
if you have this steady stream of $$, get a nice hand gun, like my personal fav a glock 17, or a H&K USP. they run about 500 a piece. then i really dont know rifle or shotties, as they arent my thing so much.
 
yeah thats true. weed can be grown though. but i guess that is one point, if alcohol were illegal it probably wouldnt be much harder for teenagers to get ahold of it, since by forcing it underground you make the entire business illegal, so the people getting it illegally are no longer any different from anyone else.

thats why it was easy to get weed but harder to get beer in high school.

I think most gun enthusiasts will agree with me though, a lot of people cant be trusted with guns. although people who really want them will get them, many people who use them to commit murder didnt buy them for that reason. when they purchased them, they probably didnt REALLY want one that badly.

a person whose gun is their livelyhood, such as a career criminal, will want one more, and will go to much greater lengths to get one. they have connections that you and I dont have. take for example if inner-city police werent issued guns, and had to buy them on their own. I bet all of them would, and would probably even pay double for them just because its so important to them. your average gun owner probably wouldnt go to extreme lengths for something.
 
It's easier to build a gun than you think. You can buy metal jigs and bending supplies for bodies, and some companies sell all the guts you need to make one work.
 
have you ever field stripped a gun and seen how complicated the internal workings are? its harder than you think. plus imo buyin parts and piecing it together isnt building, its assembling, but thats my thoughts.
 
I have never completely stripped the guts but I'm sure it's somewhat complicated. Buying parts and putting it together could be worded as a bunch of things if you really wanted, I was just stating that simply buying fully operational guns isn't the only option for anyone who is mechanically inclined. I do have a family member who assembles guns and loads his own ammo, he assembled a fully functional AK with little more than a years research and practice.
 
You prove many valid points but how do you get rid of a nations guns or get all of our guns registered? That is nearly imppossible with a country this saturated in firearms.
 
i am not going to get into an argument or anything, but just remember that the first thing hitler did was have all the guns registered in germany. this gave him all the power he wanted, and the jews were defenseless after he came and rounded up all the firearms. that being said, i am going to go blow through a few hundred rounds of 9 mm.
 
making guns illegal is dumb, your point of if its illegal it will stop people from aquiring them... look at weed, its illegal and i think we can all vouche that people can get their hands on that pretty easily.
 
guns are fun. you are wrong. if you want to contaminate a forum with your idiotic liberal POV go ON TO A POLITICAL WEBSITE. THIS IS A SKI FORM. YOU ONLY TALK ABOUT LIBERAL THINGS and how "myspace is ok". you've been proven wrong about many things explicitlly, but remain this notion that you are correct.

this is america. if you dont like guns, you obviously have never played Goldeneye.
 
so i didnt read your whole page of stuff. but if you are against people owning guns and .

people kill people with knives and crow bars. how about we ban them too (sarcastic)

but yes i am for haveing convicted fellons and crap not owning guns. thats just not too smart.
 
EXACTLY That is what Liberals don't realize. They want to help people and make our country a better place but it just brings us closer to a dictatorship.
 
prove me wrong about this, smart guy. I never said guns werent fun, you didnt read a word I said. do you think f-16s are cool? I bet you do, like most people. should everyone be free to buy one? fuck no.

you actually cannot prove me wrong on any of that. there is not one thing I said that wasnt true. seriously, what I said was indisputable, and if you disagree with any of that you're either crazy or horribly misinformed with how the world works. none of it is extremely controversial, its just the truth.

you just hate liberals. that's ok, we don't like you either, pal.

bottom line: gunowners want guns to be legal so they can keep their guns. I sympathize, because the idiots ruin things for responsible gunowners. but everyone knows deep down inside, regardless of what they say, that the world would be safer without guns. any statistics that prove that stricter gun laws creates more violent crime are due to changes in the way violent crimes are recorded or other explanations. I would much rather defend myself against someone with a knife than with a gun, wouldn't you? ask anyone at virginia tech.

I personally believe america is just a violent nation. with or without guns, we would probably still have a lot of violent crime. but I don't think arming a violent and irresponsible populace is going to make anything better.

and also, in this forum I can post whatever I want, just as you are free to. kthxbye.
 
ok i actually just read you original post. i was in a hurry before, and this may be the first thread that i semi agree with. get a gun, i dont have one, but i think id be an experience to shoot one and shouldnt be banned. that wont happen though. im actually still in a hurry, but sorry for calling you on when you werent trash talking guns like i assumed. so many of your threads are political though, and elections are still a year off...

it just bothers me there seems to be more threads on politics (often stemming from other ones, like weed) than on anything else in NSG
 
if u dont have a gun, your arent patriotic. Founding Fathers wanted me to have guns, so fuck anyone who says i shouldnt, George Washington is better then you
 
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's people like you who give republicans and conservatives a bad name! There are plenty of people in this country who I don't think should ever own a gun.
 
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^now that's what i call summer fun
 
thanks dude. when it comes to politics its easy to get pissed. id much rather not get pissed at people and express things clearly and without too much angst.
 
man u are a moron, people dont own F16's possibly because they're a couple million dollars...

and whats the VA tech thing have anything to do with it, i have two friends that went to Tech, one was in teh building when the shootout happened, neither of them came out flipping and blaming guns for the massacre. put anything in the hand of a mad man and they can use it to kill someone. guns arent the only thing. the only smart thing in this rant that u said was that criminals shouldnt be able to own guns, which is already a law now.
 
congratulations, you missed my point.

my point with f-16s, is some people could buy them. people who might do bad things, like launch a sidewinder missile into the whitehouse.

I'm not blaming the va tech thing on guns. but like I said, ask your friends whether they would have preferred chung so whatever the fuck his name is having a gun or knife?

"put anything in the hand of a madman and they can use to kill someone." yeah, excellent point buddy, except I covered that pretty well already. but just to completely refute that point, a madman isnt going to slay 30 people on a college campus with a knife.
 
I highly doubt that sidewinder missiles are readily available to the general public.

25 million Americans are infected with the Herpes virus. 3 million teenagers contract an STD every year. Should we outlaw unprotected sex as well?

What about cars? 42,636 people were killed in accidents in 2005. Should we outlaw cars to save 50,000 lives a year?

 
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