Gun people are weird

snowfinder

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I recently purchased a handgun to bring along on long bushwhacking hikes and the experience of the whole process has been weird. To start with went to a few gun stores, soon as I walked in not wearing camo or Trump gear I could feel the side eyes staring me down. Every store I went to got the vibe they didn't want to help me. After visiting three shops and seeing literally the same guys working at each one, unstable fat 50-year-old men that despise life itself, I decided to go to a large box store instead and was helped out way more than any of the private gun stores.

I have the gun now and I know of a few ranges in the area so I have been stopping at them and asking about how to fire at them. One encounter was especially memorable. One range was setting up for a shooting event and I ended up talking to an old man that claimed to be the president of the range. He told me it cost $250 a year to use the range, I told him I'm only looking to sight in my gun and asked about day passes or a monthly membership. At that point, he turns and mumbles you're not an active shooter, are you? Then goes on a rant how everyone that is a member spends at least 3-5 days firing at the range, and how it would be unfair to just allow me into the range to sight in one gun. I'm listening thinking this has nothing to do with anything I asked, to avoid the confutation he wanted to get into I simply asked again.

Are there day passes or anything like that? To which he snapped back no just the yearly one and went on to list what it includes as he is doing this he points to a large firing field and says that is open to the public. I hear this and said oh ok so this area is free for public use, and he snaps back again and says no not for handguns only shotguns and rifles, I asked back so I could use this field if I had either one of those and once again he got mad for me questioning his all over the place rant. He speaks a little louder and says no you need to be a member, at this point his wife steps in and says well you did say it was free for public use, he glares at her and she said no your right.

He is clearly pissed off someone that who doesn't shoot 3-5 times a week is asking to use the range, I recognize this and try to claim him down by asking if he knows of any other ranges that do allow it. He yelled out a few places and then went on to rant about how terrible they are and how one is state-run and that set him off on another rabbit hole about how messed up the politics in the state are about guns. We are about 4 feet away from each other during this conversation next thing I know another member just walks in between us as if I'm not even there. I used that as my exit because I really don't want to be around people that mad over nothing that also happens to be holding loaded guns.

What is wrong with gun people? They are pissed off, they want everyone to own a gun but if you don't shoot it all the time they get mad at you. They don't want to help anyone looking to purchase products at their stores. It's fucking a weird world they live in and I don't get it.

The only thing I can think of is that these unstable men are so scared of the changing world around them that they are holding onto things they think they can control. One of those things is guns, and when someone younger like myself that looks at a gun as a tool and not as a way of life it scares them and they act out the way you think they would, in fear and anger.
 
I recently purchased a handgun to bring along on long bushwhacking hikes and the experience of the whole process has been weird. To start with went to a few gun stores, soon as I walked in not wearing camo or Trump gear I could feel the side eyes staring me down. Every store I went to got the vibe they didn't want to help me. After visiting three shops and seeing literally the same guys working at each one, unstable fat 50-year-old men that despise life itself, I decided to go to a large box store instead and was helped out way more than any of the private gun stores.

I have the gun now and I know of a few ranges in the area so I have been stopping at them and asking about how to fire at them. One encounter was especially memorable. One range was setting up for a shooting event and I ended up talking to an old man that claimed to be the president of the range. He told me it cost $250 a year to use the range, I told him I'm only looking to sight in my gun and asked about day passes or a monthly membership. At that point, he turns and mumbles you're not an active shooter, are you? Then goes on a rant how everyone that is a member spends at least 3-5 days firing at the range, and how it would be unfair to just allow me into the range to sight in one gun. I'm listening thinking this has nothing to do with anything I asked, to avoid the confutation he wanted to get into I simply asked again.

Are there day passes or anything like that? To which he snapped back no just the yearly one and went on to list what it includes as he is doing this he points to a large firing field and says that is open to the public. I hear this and said oh ok so this area is free for public use, and he snaps back again and says no not for handguns only shotguns and rifles, I asked back so I could use this field if I had either one of those and once again he got mad for me questioning his all over the place rant. He speaks a little louder and says no you need to be a member, at this point his wife steps in and says well you did say it was free for public use, he glares at her and she said no your right.

He is clearly pissed off someone that who doesn't shoot 3-5 times a week is asking to use the range, I recognize this and try to claim him down by asking if he knows of any other ranges that do allow it. He yelled out a few places and then went on to rant about how terrible they are and how one is state-run and that set him off on another rabbit hole about how messed up the politics in the state are about guns. We are about 4 feet away from each other during this conversation next thing I know another member just walks in between us as if I'm not even there. I used that as my exit because I really don't want to be around people that mad over nothing that also happens to be holding loaded guns.

What is wrong with gun people? They are pissed off, they want everyone to own a gun but if you don't shoot it all the time they get mad at you. They don't want to help anyone looking to purchase products at their stores. It's fucking a weird world they live in and I don't get it.

The only thing I can think of is that these unstable men are so scared of the changing world around them that they are holding onto things they think they can control. One of those things is guns, and when someone younger like myself that looks at a gun as a tool and not as a way of life it scares them and they act out the way you think they would, in fear and anger.
 
Used to go to the range near me with a buddy who was a huge gun collector; it was fun though the old guy who started telling me about Jews being an alien race who controlled the media wasn’t how I wanted a conversation about football to go.
 
14462537:Goretex_Vidal said:
Used to go to the range near me with a buddy who was a huge gun collector; it was fun though the old guy who started telling me about Jews being an alien race who controlled the media wasn’t how I wanted a conversation about football to go.

You know who I'm talking about. Another weird thing was when I was asked what I would be using the gun for I told them to bring along on long remote hikes. To which one guy went off how there is nothing to be scared of in the woods and real men wouldn't be scared and how he has hunted in all of these mountains and was never scared. I asked if he always had a gun on him he said yes. It went right over his head.
 
Unfortunately the outspoken gun owners, the “all gun all the time” folks, give the rest of us a bad name. You’d be wise to seek out some basic instruction. While there are definitely many of the types of folks you encountered, there are some genuinely good folks out there as well.

I can understand your desire to have the handgun while remote hiking but I think that will lose its appeal after several hikes. They can be bulky, heavy, a pain to deal with in any inclement weather (cleaning, etc.), and annoying to carry. At least for me, I quickly gave up carrying while hiking.
 
14462586:iFlip said:
Unfortunately the outspoken gun owners, the “all gun all the time” folks, give the rest of us a bad name. You’d be wise to seek out some basic instruction. While there are definitely many of the types of folks you encountered, there are some genuinely good folks out there as well.

I can understand your desire to have the handgun while remote hiking but I think that will lose its appeal after several hikes. They can be bulky, heavy, a pain to deal with in any inclement weather (cleaning, etc.), and annoying to carry. At least for me, I quickly gave up carrying while hiking.

I could see it in cougar/grizz country. But yeah most people I know don't hike with a gun.
 
Op first off that sounds fucked. People are douches. Although you woulda been better off researching a gun online and shipping to FFL dealer vs in store- so many more options, better deals, and actually credible reviews and even video tests.

A few questions though:

-What gun did you buy?

-Why do you need to "sight in your gun"? Pistols have fixed sights that are sighted in at the factory and should be accurate although not always I guess. Am I missing something here? Or do you mean just practicing to get a feel for how it shoots?

-What purpose is your handgun for hikes? Self defense against the crazies I presume? Because no fucking way you're stopping a cougar, bear, or wolf with a pistol lest it has incredible firepower and you have lightning fast reflexes and accuracy. Bear spray is a better choice.

Can you not go to an indoor range to practice?

**This post was edited on Sep 18th 2022 at 3:31:19am
 
14462633:yugona said:
Op first off that sounds fucked. People are douches. Although you woulda been better off researching a gun online and shipping to FFL dealer vs in store- so many more options, better deals, and actually credible reviews and even video tests.

A few questions though:

-What gun did you buy?

-Why do you need to "sight in your gun"? Pistols have fixed sights that are sighted in at the factory and should be accurate although not always I guess. Am I missing something here? Or do you mean just practicing to get a feel for how it shoots?

-What purpose is your handgun for hikes? Self defense against the crazies I presume? Because no fucking way you're stopping a cougar, bear, or wolf with a pistol lest it has incredible firepower and you have lightning fast reflexes and accuracy. Bear spray is a better choice.

Can you not go to an indoor range to practice?

**This post was edited on Sep 18th 2022 at 3:31:19am

Geek
 
14462636:skierman said:
Maybe wear goth makeup and a trench coat the next time you go in?

You joke but when I was in my ccw class (yeah Ohio required it), we saw a guy at the range dressed exactly like this. Very unsetttling...even more unsettling than the dipshits in the class
 
14462638:yugona said:
You joke but when I was in my ccw class (yeah Ohio required it), we saw a guy at the range dressed exactly like this. Very unsetttling...even more unsettling than the dipshits in the class

Mass shooters don't carry concealed, buddy.
 
14462639:skierman said:
Mass shooters don't carry concealed, buddy.

Learn to read. This was at a public range that we had to do the accuracy (lol) portion at. Dude was just some rando
 
I had a period when I was younger where I was pretty into guns for about a year. Mostly the bolt-action military surplus rifles (still my favorite). I would agree with what you say. The gun culture is full of weirdos and gun shops are so unfriendly and exclusive. A big part of what snapped me out of it was the culture around it.

Also, there is this pervasive paranoia around it that subtly encourages using your gun on another human. One notable example that stands out is the Glock commercial with R Lee Ermy.

Glad I snapped out of that but, hey, I’ve got the knowledge now to keep up a conversation and actually know what I'm talking about now.

[video]https://youtu.be/6RNcFs-JwOQ[/video]
 
Lol I feel it. When I worked at a summer camp we actually had a couple shooting ranges and I spent a lot of time working the shotgun range and teaching trap shooting classes with our range master. Every day pretty much I had the same conversation:

"wow you're so lucky to work on a range, what kinds of guns do you shoot in your free time?"

"Oh I don't own any guns."

"You work at a shotgun range and don't even own your own shotguns?"

"No I live in a city and don't have any need for a shotgun."

"That's so weird, why would the camp let you teach shotgun shooting if you don't even own any guns?"

Like bruh nevermind the fact that I could always end up shooting circles around those dudes, but its like seriously dude? I just taught ur dumbass kid how to safely handle, load and shoot a shotgun correctly but now you're mad cause I don't actually give af about guns outside of work?

Funny thing too my last name is 'Barrett' (spelled exactly the same as the rifle company) so sometimes I would just fuck with em and be like "bruh my last name is Barrett and you don't think I own any guns? I get the family discount mf."

It's a weird world thats for sure.
 
14462633:yugona said:
Op first off that sounds fucked. People are douches. Although you woulda been better off researching a gun online and shipping to FFL dealer vs in store- so many more options, better deals, and actually credible reviews and even video tests.

A few questions though:

-What purpose is your handgun for hikes? Self defense against the crazies I presume? Because no fucking way you're stopping a cougar, bear, or wolf with a pistol lest it has incredible firepower and you have lightning fast reflexes and accuracy. Bear spray is a better choice.

-What gun did you buy?

Taurus 608, 357 Mag/ 4"

-Why do you need to "sight in your gun"? Pistols have fixed sights that are sighted in at the factory and should be accurate although not always I guess. Am I missing something here? Or do you mean just practicing to get a feel for how it shoots?

The back sight is adjustable, and sighting it in would allow getting a feel for how it shoots.

-What purpose is your handgun for hikes? Self defense against the crazies I presume? Because no fucking way you're stopping a cougar, bear, or wolf with a pistol lest it has incredible firepower and you have lightning fast reflexes and accuracy. Bear spray is a better choice.

Ran into crazies before so kind of a reason, but another is animals. Some of the hikes are in areas people haven't been to in a long time so doesn't hurt to have something with me. Might get bear spray for shorter hikes, in the real remote areas if you get hurt or lost no one will hear bear spray.
 
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14462586:iFlip said:
Unfortunately the outspoken gun owners, the “all gun all the time” folks, give the rest of us a bad name. You’d be wise to seek out some basic instruction. While there are definitely many of the types of folks you encountered, there are some genuinely good folks out there as well.

I can understand your desire to have the handgun while remote hiking but I think that will lose its appeal after several hikes. They can be bulky, heavy, a pain to deal with in any inclement weather (cleaning, etc.), and annoying to carry. At least for me, I quickly gave up carrying while hiking.

Less bulky on the hip than a machete.
 
14462700:snowfinder said:
-What gun did you buy?

Taurus 608, 357 Mag/ 4"

-Why do you need to "sight in your gun"? Pistols have fixed sights that are sighted in at the factory and should be accurate although not always I guess. Am I missing something here? Or do you mean just practicing to get a feel for how it shoots?

The back sight is adjustable, and sighting it in would allow getting a feel for how it shoots.

-What purpose is your handgun for hikes? Self defense against the crazies I presume? Because no fucking way you're stopping a cougar, bear, or wolf with a pistol lest it has incredible firepower and you have lightning fast reflexes and accuracy. Bear spray is a better choice.

Ran into crazies before so kind of a reason, but another is animals. Some of the hikes are in areas people haven't been to in a long time so doesn't hurt to have something with me. Might get bear spray for shorter hikes, in the real remote areas if you get hurt or lost no one will hear bear spray.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
I had a similar experience when I (a straight, white, handsome, conservative male) tried to talk to some of the people at the local gay pride rally that was blocking the intersection on my way to work and surrounding my car
 
Did ya hear Gerald? Ammo prices have got up again! GRRRRRRRRRRR (bang)(bang)

Drives gun back home on an empty chamber down a lane

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14462803:snowfinder said:
Yeah no, grew up hunting and know how to handle a gun.

And yet you’re incapable of finding an indoor range or some public land to shoot on… something tells me that the reason those old guys were mean to you had less to with your lack of “trump gear” and more to do with your lack of common sense.
 
14462804:Craw_Daddy said:
And yet you’re incapable of finding an indoor range or some public land to shoot on… something tells me that the reason those old guys were mean to you had less to with your lack of “trump gear” and more to do with your lack of common sense.

There are no indoor ranges in the area. Know a few spots that I could go to shoot on, but wanted to go to a range because it is safer than walking out to some random spot and firing. Thats the common sense thing to do.
 
14462805:snowfinder said:
There are no indoor ranges in the area. Know a few spots that I could go to shoot on, but wanted to go to a range because it is safer than walking out to some random spot and firing. Thats the common sense thing to do.

Lol just find a dry creek bed and you’ll have a backstop. It’s not that hard.
 
14462805:snowfinder said:
There are no indoor ranges in the area. Know a few spots that I could go to shoot on, but wanted to go to a range because it is safer than walking out to some random spot and firing. Thats the common sense thing to do.

Bro guns kill people. I'm seriously offended you decided to exercise your second amendment rights. You're an absolute danger to society.
 
I've had a variety of experiences. Staffed ranges (indoor and outdoor) usually mean you have to deal with fudds. Better to find a public range or on public land in the middle of nowhere. I actually had a great experience the other day at the public range where this totally unassuming guy was there with his son, I'd never shot suppressed and he just kept handing me all these different suppressed weapons (1911, 300BO AR, .22) and telling me to shoot them I was like a kid in a candy store!!! Unfortunately guns attract the same type of angry people with high blood pressure who comment "justified he shouldn't have resisted" on every police killing video. However is possible to like guns AND value human life above everything. Presumably you got your gun to prevent your life from being pimp slapped from your body inconveniently, not to brandish or settle arguments. No need to be one of these "aggressive concealed carriers" who go around looking for problems when they have it on them. People who make guns their whole identity and speak in absolutes are stupid and a lot of them can barely shoot. Don't let them drag you down to their level and get in the way of you getting good with your weapon. In regards to people actually wanting to use it, they're either psychos or have never been in a situation like that. I have thankfully been able to GTFO of all the situations I have been in so far, which is the most important thing. Be aware and if something ain't right, just leave the area. There were two specific instances where I was within a second or two of shit popping off. The adrenaline was absolutely insane, all these thoughts go through your head and you weigh the options - "can't let him get the the drop so I have to draw as soon as he moves ...if I shoot this dude should I just dip? should I wait? am I gonna do time for this?" People love to talk about "clear cut self defense" but most of the time you WILL go to jail regardless, at least for a little while. Anyway you gotta be moving STURDY at all times, as if you don't have it on you because it's last resort.
 
Only most of them are weird, people look at Trump and guns like Jesus christ but some of us are just normal Republicans who have guns for mostly just squirrel hunting. I have seen lots of the people you described and it's really creepy but I promise we're not all that weird

Guns are great but you don't have to worship them.
 
14462660:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
. I would agree with what you say. The gun culture is full of weirdos and gun shops are so unfriendly and exclusive. A big part of what snapped me out of it was the culture around it.

[video]https://youtu.be/6RNcFs-JwOQ[/video]

as a female - I'm pretty much invisible when I've walked into a gunshop. Especially if i was with a guy. They always speak to the guy and think I'm just the lady just tagging along. Women in general are treated like garbage in the gun world.

I've put people in their place at gunshows.One time I don't remember exactly what the circumstances were but I was looking at something and the guy was saying the wrong caliber for the K31 Swiss rifle. "Oh you mean the 7.5x55?" And he just looks at me with that look of shock and shame.
 
Swiss k31. An absolute thing of beauty. I was between a kar98k and a k31 back in the day. Stumbled across post war build Czeck Kar98k (technically an N98) with a winter trigger guard and mirror bore. Went that route. Although, I bought it from the head tooler at Palmetto State Armory and he told me he suspected 8mm would stay cheaper than 7.5 ammo. Boy was he wrong.. lol

But yeah sounds about the experience I’ve had. People acting snobbish when I actually knew the ins and outs of the rifles and they had a barely working knowledge.

I’m not really itching to buy anything but if I did, I think it’d be a k31 or MAS 36

14462926:nmwninjart said:
as a female - I'm pretty much invisible when I've walked into a gunshop. Especially if i was with a guy. They always speak to the guy and think I'm just the lady just tagging along. Women in general are treated like garbage in the gun world.

I've put people in their place at gunshows.One time I don't remember exactly what the circumstances were but I was looking at something and the guy was saying the wrong caliber for the K31 Swiss rifle. "Oh you mean the 7.5x55?" And he just looks at me with that look of shock and shame.

**This post was edited on Sep 19th 2022 at 8:59:40pm
 
14462948:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
Swiss k31. An absolute thing of beauty. I was between a kar98k and a k31 back in the day. Stumbled across post war build Czeck Kar98k (technically an N98) with a winter trigger guard and mirror bore. Went that route. Although, I bought it from the head tooler at Palmetto State Armory and he told me he suspected 8mm would stay cheaper than 7.5 ammo. Boy was he wrong.. lol

But yeah sounds about the experience I’ve had. People acting snobbish when I actually knew the ins and outs of the rifles and they had a barely working knowledge.

I’m not really itching to buy anything but if I did, I think it’d be a k31 or MAS 36

**This post was edited on Sep 19th 2022 at 8:59:40pm

I had the chance to fire one, it lived up to its famed accuracy and nice trigger even with it being just the issued trigger.

I had several old rifles but sold almost all of them because of just losing interest in the hobby , it becoming too expensive to enjoy and also what this topic is about. I haven't purchased ammo in ages, I still have a stockpile of . 22 amd a bunch of 9mm though
 
I get that. I really appreciated the machinery, engineering and history but it’s not what I wanted out of life either. I met plenty of nice people, as well, but I couldn’t get over how lame it is for people to wear a tactical vest and the quick load magazines (I forget what they’re called - the ones that sit adjacent to the current magazine on like an AR-15 where you just drop the current magazine and new one cycles in) at a local gun range.

It’s going to bother me now about the magazine but I’ve seen them at ranges in South Carolina and talked to people who had them. Wish I could remember

14462968:nmwninjart said:
I had the chance to fire one, it lived up to its famed accuracy and nice trigger even with it being just the issued trigger.

I had several old rifles but sold almost all of them because of just losing interest in the hobby , it becoming too expensive to enjoy and also what this topic is about. I haven't purchased ammo in ages, I still have a stockpile of . 22 amd a bunch of 9mm though

**This post was edited on Sep 19th 2022 at 10:19:09pm
 
14462974:BradFiAusNzCoCa said:
I get that. I really appreciated the machinery, engineering and history but it’s not what I wanted out of life either. I met plenty of nice people, as well, but I couldn’t get over how lame it is for people to wear a tactical vest and the quick load magazines (I forget what they’re called - the ones that sit adjacent to the current magazine on like an AR-15 where you just drop the current magazine and new one cycles in) at a local gun range.

It’s going to bother me now about the magazine but I’ve seen them at ranges in South Carolina and talked to people who had them. Wish I could remember

**This post was edited on Sep 19th 2022 at 10:19:09pm

Hahaha the Tactical Tommys. Those guys are hilarious with all the bells and whistles on their rifles and never seen a day of combat.

I haven't seen this quick change AR magazine, but then I quit following gun stuff so it doesn't surprise me of the new things they come up with.
 
14463052:skierman said:
Ah, misogyny, the easiest way to tell if someone has a micro dick.

Oh yeah man it’s tiny ?

is it misogynistic now to acknowledge that almost no women are in combat rolls now? Good to know.
 
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