Grouse late season jib park.

OK so word on the street is that grouse will be considering keeping a jib park open past their closing date.

what you need to do now is go do some convincing.

Email: info@grousemountain.com

get clicking on your keyboards, and create some persuasive literature
 
I was writing a letter regarding everything... the state of the mountain and shit... then I forgot about it. I'll resurrect it... soon.
 
yea the comp was good, a guy did a 12... with a mustache!

ive complained to them so much with emails
 
I sent this two days ago and neither Guest Services nor the Manager of Guest Services have gotten back to me yet, which must mean they are thinking about it. I also BCC'd it to Quiksilver and Oakley.

Dear Grouse Mountain Guest Services,

I am not completely sure to whom exactly I should send this

letter, so, the most logical place in my mind is here. I simply hope

that you will relay it to everyone that it may concern. Thank you.

I would really appreciate it

if you were to take time to read this email. Though it is long, I believe I have some important

points that need to be heard by someone who can relay it to the right people.

For the past five years (perhaps

more, I cannot exactly recall) I have been a loyal Y2Play Season's Pass holder

and a regular skier at your mountain. The main attraction of your mountain for

me is the easy and quick access via public transit, and the superbly priced

season's passes. Until I broke my arm at Blackcomb two weeks ago, I was pushing

50 days on snow, and over 40 of those were on Grouse. Although a few of these

points will not be 100% relevant until next season, I hope that mentioning them

now will give you some time to contemplate them. Here are the issues I am

writing this letter to address…



The Terrain Parks:
All season long, there has been a large problem with Grouse Mountain's

jumps in the Quiksilver

Terrain Park.

At the beginning of the season, the jumps were poorly shaped and constructed.

When I asked why it was done in this way, I was told there was a safety issue

with building larger and more properly shaped jumps. Why is this? Because most

people do not see the Terrain

Park for what it is, but

rather "just another groomed run". This leads to families and

inadequately skilled riders hitting the features in the features in the

"Highest Level" park. To make sure that these people did not hurt

themselves by undershooting the jumps, the tables were constructed with a very low

"lip" and a very high "knuckle". So, if any unknowing

person hit the jump, they would only fall a few feet onto the deck of the jump.

Flawless plan, right? Wrong. Even though these jumps have been made safer for

the non-park riders, they have actually been made more dangerous for the

people who the park is intended for. On various occasions this season I and

others I ski with have hit a feature and found ourselves either bouncing off

the highly raised knuckle, sending us into an uncontrolled and potentially

dangerous tumble down the landing. Most of the time, the landings for the jumps

are not nearly steep enough to accommodate the lip of the jump and treacherous

"bombholes" are created as a result, not to mention the painful

impact of a mellow landing. Here are a few specific examples. A fellow skier

and very good friend of mine, Peter Warkentin, who is also an

employee at your mountain, suffered a concussion on January 26th of this year

in the Highest Level terrain park that put him out for 2 weeks. Now, one could

argue that it was his choice to go off of the third jump in your terrain park,

and therefore he accepted the responsibilities involved. Believe it or not,

Peter's injury can be attributed to the construction of the jumps. The landings

of the jumps were not made very steep due to "safety issues". As a

matter of fact, when coming down from the air, Peter landed on the almost flat

landing, therefore not having enough transition to successfully land. Had the

landing been steeper, there is a good chance that Peter may not have been hurt.

Another fellow skier, James, broke his collar bone when he landed on a too-flat

landing with a "bombhole" on it. Once again, I stress, although these

jumps have been made safer for the minority, they have in fact been made more

dangerous for the rest of the riders. When asking if the park would be open the

day after your Snowboarding Competition "Showdown Over the City", a

friend of mine was told that they were actually going to change the park because

the features in the "Highest Level" Park were too big.

Doesn't that sound a bit odd? In addition, the new "Down Flat Down"

rail that Grouse had made for the competition, according to Ben, will be sold

because it is "too gnarly" for Grouse's "Highest

Level" Park.

Where am I going with all this? The

jumps in the Highest

Level Park

are being held back in terms of quality and safety because of the minority of

people who enter the park: the families and young children. While they should

have high lips, flat decks and steep landings, they are actually built with low

lips, high knuckles and too flat landings. With flat decks, some inexperienced

riders may fall short of the landing, but they will learn to clear the jumps.

The minor pain in their knees is nothing compared to the danger of high

knuckles and flat landings. Three seasons ago, Grouse had jumps like this. They

were perfect, and safe. I am not sure what has happened since then, but it is

definitely not for the better. Ask your head Park Manager. He remembers the

jumps that I'm talking about. He built them himself. He will likely share my

opinion. At various times throughout the year we have raised our concerns, but

been told that it would not be "safe" for the riders who choose to

cruise the park randomly. How can this problem be solved? The answer is

simple. A Highest Level Park Pass. This would require park riders to

sign a waiver, making Grouse

Mountain not liable for

injuries sustained in the park. It would prevent riders who do not have sufficient

skill from riding the park. Most importantly, a park pass would allow the Quiksilver Terrain

Park to reach its full potential and

gain some reputation as being the best terrain park on the North Shore.

Charge what you like, $10, $15, $20 for the whole season. Not only would Grouse

make MORE money, but it would also greatly improve the conditions of the

Park. Why? The major contributor to the deterioration of the features is caused

by people riding up to the lip of a jump and sliding down the other side,

destroying it. This also holds true for rails and other features. I know for a

fact that everyone I associate with would gladly dish out the small

amount of money for a park pass in return for a decent park. People who want to

increase their skill level could simply use your Rookie Terrain

Park, where the features

could be made as safe as necessary. If the idea of a park pass does not appeal

to you in the least, perhaps consider a less drastic measure. A "helmets

mandatory" in your advanced terrain park. Although this would not

completely resolve the situation, I hope it would at least allow your park crew

to build proper jumps, as many of the inexperienced families at risk would be

prevented from entering the park. Bottom line: You have world-class companies

like Quiksilver, Oakley and Roxy sponsoring your terrain park, and it would be

fitting to give Grouse

Mountain the opportunity

to have a spectacular terrain park.

Please do not misunderstand me,

I am not naive enough to actually believe that terrain parks are a source of

profit to you, but rather I understand that they are a massive expense. Even if

the Park Pass suggestion is not a possibility,

your mountain would have to spend no more money than they currently are

to properly shape and construct good jumps. If tables like the ones I

speak of are constructed, more people will be drawn to Grouse's terrain parks

because of great jump quality. I know numerous people who ski Seymour for the sole reason of knowing that

good jumps will be constructed there. When they come to Grouse, they are pushed

away because of the condition of the jumps. The more people who tell their

friends about how good Grouse's park is, the more exposure you receive, which

could lead to more profit in the long run. I can tell you for a fact that no

one I currently ski with goes and raves to their friends about "how good

Grouse's jumps are." Believe it or not, it is quite the opposite. For

example, I ask, "how was Grouse today?" I often receive a response such

as, "don't bother, the jumps are impossible and the landings are

flat." If there's a "sick" jump at Grouse, word is bound to

spread fast and more people will come to ride.

Lift Lines:[/u] This issue has been noticeable in the past, but it has

becoming alarmingly prominent this year. Nearly every Saturday and Sunday,

provided it is not raining, lift lines are unbelievably long. On average, it

will take a whopping 40 minutes to reach the top of the Screaming Eagle Chair

from the point of lift line entry, not including the multiple times the chair

stops. At a few points this year, the line was actually moving UP the Cut, and

walking up the run was a faster option. How ridiculous is that? You have to

realize that more and more people are coming to Grouse Mountain

to ski, and the lift line problem is not going to go away. If the rumors I hear

of a Grouse Mountain Village

and Hotel being built before 2010 are sure, this makes this problem even

larger. The lines will continue to grow and people will only become more

frustrated. I can't truly offer a solution to this problem, as I do not know

enough about Grouse

Mountain's affairs to

comment on what you should or shouldn't build. However, I am willing to bet

that Grouse is not suffering from financial problems; in fact I would guess the

exact opposite. Do you know why the T-Bar on the skier's left of the Cut was

taken away?
That thing was perfect, and would have been a great asset when

trying to divert people from the Screaming Eagle in order to ease the lines. I

can't imagine that putting one back in would make much of a dent into Grouse's

funds, although I could be wrong. If not a T-Bar, then maybe another quad

chair, that only ran on weekends? These are just far-fetched suggestions, but

the thing I know for sure is that something needs to be done. I understand that

there is now heavy snow maker presence in the area where the T-Bar used to be,

so perhaps putting one in, in that exact spot may not be possible. Perhaps a

different location would work. Say a T-Bar were built starting from the bottom

of Skyline, heading up through "Garbage Bowl" and up the far skier's

left of the park, through the open area that is never used anyways. It would

then end somewhere near the top of the park between the Park Hut and the

entrance to Buckhorn. This is both out of the way and would not require huge

amounts of logging. It could even be called the "Quiksilver T-Bar"! I

realize that this would be a huge undertaking and by no means do I expect it to

happen. Think of it as merely a suggestion.

Closing Date and Late

Season Jib

Park:[/u] A wiser man

than I once wrote: "Grouse is focused on getting corporate sponsors in a

transparent attempt to build false press while all the while hoarding money at

the expense of its loyal customers." How true is this statement?

Your mountain is closing on

April 15 with a 400+ cm snow base. This is very disappointing to me. I

understand that there have been years where you have had no choice but to close

early due to lack of snow, but the last two years have not had this problem. I

have been told that "no one comes up after the Easter long weekend."

Is this statement based on a bad year for snow or a good one? This is a serious

betrayal of your loyal customers. Many mountains would love to be able to stay

open as long as possible. The fact that Grouse receives this much snow that

lasts this long is a blessing and I feel deeply saddened that Grouse chooses to

not take advantage of it. I know that everyone I associate with (well over 30

people) would ride Grouse down to the very last patch of snow. When I talk to

other people on your mountain about this, they feel the same way. Perhaps a

survey is in order? This aside, you should at least keep your Paradise Jib Park

open as long as there is snow in that area. Having it remain open would be of

minimal, if any cost to your mountain. The Paradise

rope tow would not even have to be running! We would be glad to hike! Please

see that there are still some loyal customers who would love to hit rails!

Your mountain didn't get to

where you are today (#1 north shore ski resort) by ignoring your core business

(snow-riding), but if you keep running things the way they are, sooner or later

people will realize it and Grouse's popularity may begin to go south.

This is a response to a friend's suggestion letter on the

same topic:

"Thank you for your suggestion as it is very much appreciated; however,

we are unable to keep any of the runs open past April 15, 2007. The

reason for this is that we require time after the winter season ends to

prepare for the Spring/Summer season, and this means that all of the

snow must be melted. If we were to keep some runs open, it would put us

behind schedule for the upcoming Spring/Summer season."

Would it really put you behind

schedule just to have the small area that the Jib Park

occupies still covered with snow? Do any important summer activities truly take

place on that small slope? I understand that you want to have the exclusive

Alternate Action Films photo shoot in the terrain park undisturbed after the

runs have closed, but can't the Jib

Park remain open? Please?

If I remember correctly, two years ago an effort was made to keep the Jib Park

open after all the runs had closed, and that required snow to be moved! This

time no snow needs to be moved, all that needs to happen is for a few rails to

be put in. We would gladly do it!

If I have provoked thought in your

mind on even one of these issues, my goal in writing this letter is fulfilled.

I dearly hope that there will be some change for the better on Grouse Mountain

in the years to come.

Andrew Pires

P.S. Why are no skiers allowed in the competitions at

Grouse? Why is the Showdown Over the City only for snowboarders? Why

are

snowboarders the only ones who win prizes at the "Oakley Night Jams"

when the skiers who attend are clearly out performing them? Attempts

have been

made by a member of your park crew to plan a ski event at Grouse, yet

we have been told there are not enough skiers to make it happen. In

truth, there are probably more regular park skiers who ride Grouse's

park than boarders. It's frustrating.

 
man that letter is exactly what we need the grouse park is retarded they need to sort out the park and get their priotities right, there are def. more free skiers than snowboarders.

 
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