good things accomplished in iraq.

read it bastardguy. once youve read it, then you may proceed to criticize it.

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
Having read it, allow me to criticize it. Or rather, paraphrase it. In some areas I might be a bit sarcastic... but the fact that it's hard to tell when should give you some idea as to how much weight you should give Fox News on this. This is long, by the way, but not nearly as long as the original.

I. End of the Saddam Regime.

Here we have a rehashing of what we were told BEFORE the war. Saddam had dangeous weapons during the gulf war, and we don't know what happened to them. They claimed to have destroyed them. We still can't find them.

Saddam was a bad guy and our inavasion was warranted, because he burnt down some swampland in the south which is supposedly where the Garden of Eden was. Apparently this biblical theory has some relevance as to why it was a good thing that war was waged. He drove many people out of this swampland by diverting streams and such until the area was less hospitable. We're not going to give you any context as to why these streams were diverted or some brush was burned, we'll just let you assume it was done for no reason whatsoever. Or you could assume he was evil. That would be even better. Either way, we're leaving you in the dark on this one.

Also, a lot of people died in Iraq before we got there. We found them in mass graves. You already knew this, we're just summing it up and putting the word 'Saddam' in conjunction with 'Murdered' and 'Mass Graves' to make him seem even more evil than he already does. This isn't necessary, since you all knew he was evil, but it wouldn't be propaganda if we didn't hammer it into your skull.

But lastly, and most disturbingly (as you can tell, since we're putting this last), Saddam smuggled oil out of the country. This made oil prices go up for YOU. It cost YOU money. Because of this, YOU should be glad we sent troops over there. Now we have access to oil, and things will be cheaper for YOU. Doesn't that sound nice? Don't you just love Bush now?

II Human Rights

We instituted some new prisoners' rights that weren't there before, and changed the setup of the courts so that they're independent of government ministries. We decided this was really the way to go... we could have left it up to the Iraqi people to decide how their justice system was to be set up, and given them that self-determination we're always prattling on about, but let's face it, they really don't know what's good for them.

Before we invaded, a Ministry of Information regulated what was printed in Iraq. They also controlled all of 5 newspapers and the TV news. Kinda like the CBC in Canada (who we should invade next). We're not going to tell you to what extent this control was exercised, or how many other newspapers there were that weren't controlled by the ministry. That, you see, would not make the case we're putting forward look so good. Anyways, after we seized control, we counted 120 independent newspapers in circulation. We decided to forcibly shut down three of these because they printed anti-coalition materials that we found threatening... but at least we didn't kill the editors, so we're better than Saddam was. And we're still not going to tell you how many of these papers there were before.

III Quality of life

The quality of life in Iraq has improved substantially. You can tell, because the olympic ban has been lifted, so now their athletes can compete, and Iraqi citizens can watch them on their TVs in their homes. Well, many of those homes were destroyed to grant the Iraqis the privelige of competing in the olympics, but it was worthwhile. Also, many, many reconstruction projects have begun, allowing US corporations like Halliburton to make vast sums of money, especially if they overcharge for those projects. This is good for America, because America is all about big business. If you don't agree, it doesn't matter, because you're poor so you aren't important.

We also gave Iraq a bill of rights. Again, we instituted it and decided on what peoples' rights should be, because Iraqis don't have the capacity to make these decisions for themselves. Then we repaired some schools and raised teacher salaries, so schools are better off... especially since we rewrote all of the primary and secondary school textbooks, and printed 9 billion new ones. This was done with taxpayer money. Before, few students had textbooks. Now that we've printed all these new ones and changed all of the content, they can all read what we want them to.

We changed the entire health care system from hostpital-oriented to clinic-oriented without really consulting anyone, because, as we've already said, we know what's best for these people. Doctors make more money, hospitals have internet, new vaccinations are available... all in all, it's a lot more like the US health system, which is good, because we all know how great health care is doing in the US.

IV Economy

We've changed the currency system from 2 currencies to just one. This money is more durable. See, we've already improved the economy: it's harder to tear their worthless banknotes in half! But who cares about that, really. What you want to know about is the oil. That affects YOU. Well, we have good news; production is up to where it was before the war. This doesn't explain the rising cost of oil in general, but trust our sources. Trust them without reservation.

Iraqis also have better access to electricity now. It operates for most of the day! Cities will also become more sanitary once we clean out all the corpses.

MILITARY STORIES

Now, for your reading pleasure, we're going to offer you a whole bunch of propaganda about our glorious troops and how proud we all should be that they fought for us. This has nothing whatsoever to do with improvements to Iraq, but that's not the point; the point is, extreme nationalism is the new form of patriotism. You should be crying with pride and saluting the flag as you read about our soldiers. In an effort to keep this SOMEwhat on topic, the soldiers will spend some time discussing how much better a place Iraq was since they got there and bombed all those folks. We're not going to offer any different opinions, because it would hurt our case to allow anyone who can find ways in which the country has declined (ie: dead bodies and rubble) to speak. That would be reporting the news, and we can't have that... we're FOX. They're just going to restate a bunch of the things we've already talked about here, but because they said it, you can't question them. They're our troops, and they need our support. Implying that they might be mistaken amounts to treason. So shut up, listen, and accept whatever we tell you, because we're Fox, and you'll believe what we WANT you to believe.

In conclusion, Vote Christ / Cheney '04. Oh, whoops, that should be Bush. Our mistake, they're just so similar, you know?

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A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

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*sigh*

1. WMD - they are still beating this dead horse? Gimme a break. Iraq had no WMD, everybody knows it, give it up already. I think a far greater concern is N. Koreas PROVEN nuclear capability, VAST armed forces and long range missiles. THAT is a threat, not a bunch of fig-eaters trying to find reverse on a Soviet tank.

2. Marshlands Drained - every country drains marshes, draining a marsh is not a justification for war. Ask Ducks Unlimited how many thousand acres of marshland gets drained in the US each year.

3. Mass Graves - 'Since the Saddam Hussein regime was overthrown, 270 mass graves have been reported' Wow - thats accuracy for you. What exactly constitutes a 'mass grave'??? Any archealogical site could be called a 'mass grave'. Given that humans have inhabited that area of the world for tens of thousands of years, it should come as no surprise that there are numerous mass graves.

'At Abu Grhaib prison, Saddam's regime regularly carried out executions' Well 38 of the 50 states and the US federal government also carry out executions. What are you trying to say?

4. Saddam's misuse of funds - ANY government could be criticized for misuse of funds. Bush is being criticised for misuse of funds.

5. Court System - how can the US possibly point the finger at Iraq's court system when 'terror suspects' have been held in military brigs for years without trials or charges?

6. Newspapers - if the US has made the press free in Iraq, why did they shut down Sadr's paper? (Censoring the paper sparked an armed uprising, BTW)

7. Quality of life - dont even try to say that Iraq is safer with pics of bleeding children turning up all over the news. Fuck right off, its very plain to see. You know shit is off the dial when even the police are routinely gunned down.

And on and on it goes. That article was pure bullshit. Its vague and misleading. Anyone who still supports this war has got to be pretty thick-skulled.

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'Dude, check out this nasty gouge.'

'Your mom has a nasty gouge.'

'221 is fucking hilarious'

~221
 


Ha ha ha... '20 000 reconstruction projects have been completed by the coalition...'. It fails to mention why the buildings needed RE-construction in the first place... the coalition destroyed them during the main offensive.

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'I'm the master of low expectations.'

'I understand small business growth. I was one'

-Dubya!

 
^really? im not so sure about that one......fucken dumbass

go listen to some emo. those whiny guys feel your pain.-linemaverick5...
 
i think harvey should make a forum site on politics, damn goobers

GO SOX

REALLY REALLY RIDICLOUSlY gOOD LOOKING
 
I love JD may. Daily Show is where its at. Fox news is not the only right wing media source?? Not even on TV its not! CNN NBC and all that crap are owned by Fox, so how do you think CNN feels. Jesus retard. There are barely any Liberal media sources in comparison. The best one happens to be the daily show. In newspapers, the 'liberal media' so the conservatives say, are owned by them to act a little liberal so they can be take offs for the conservatives, so there are few media sources you can trust. If you dont want to be warped by conservative media, I would say kill all your channels except comedy channel, and keep fox for the simpsons, and to laugh at there falseness.

C-Man
 
i think harvey should make a forum site on JDMay, so all his lovers can go there.

signatures are for pussies

 
TO all Bush supporters: GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! Then talk about Bush, you will see.

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'haha he told his parents ahbout his ginormous cock.... what a fag' - linemaverick540

'I wonder why haters tend to be idiots?' J.D._May

 
or Snapper, or Beaver. Even Cunt. Other countries love Bush.

signatures are for pussies

 
no matter how much 221 tries to discount what is said in that report, all of the assertions that fox makes are based on evidentual fact (please actually read the article, so your opinion isn't solely based upon the whims and misconstruing commentary given by JD May). the statements provided by 221 are all either off topic, made unsound by differing cirumstances, or based upon some skewed sense of reality seen only by himself. example: according to 221, americans are just as guilty for the rare execution of convicted criminals, as the former iraqi regime is for the slaughter of whomever a politically powerful man may decide should die, without trial, or humane execution techniques. Your unfounded arguments in no way support your opinion. You will see that in the future your opinions will founder in you ignorance. I pity you.

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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
 
Cscott, There's no point in arguing with what you say, because you're way too convinced you're right to ever back down even a bit. But while you're blindly sweeping aside arguments without any regard for any truth that might be contained therein, here's some advice: Stop trying to sound like some kind of genius.

Words in your post that don't exist or were used incorrectly: evidentual (not a word), unsound (this is a logical term, don't use it if you don't know anything about logic), founder. Unless you actually make a worthwhile argument, noone is impressed with what you're saying. By the way, the point of my 'misconstruing' commentary was that there are also ways in which things that are being presented as 'good' consequences of the Iraqi invasion are not good without qualification, as Fox would apparently like us to think. It's as one-sided as Michael Moore.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
umm, why don't you go look in a dictionary, because i was speaking plain english. if your vocabulary is limited to the point of not being able to understand what i was saying, i apologize. and, i don't mean to sound like i believe i'm superior to anyone else. that is how i write when i make an effort present an argument in text. i was pretty serious about what i wrote, because truly believe what i said. i know that at times i embellish, as does everyone (including you), but the substance remains the same. also, the i don't want to be contentious. i've been in a bad mood all day, which is no excuse, so i also apologize for any offense i may have made. but everyone should be a little less sensitive, i think. i don't think anyone really means to be anything good natured towards each other, personally, whatever their stance is.

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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
 
Sorting through the shit in these political threads ( which I generally enjoy, by the way, there are always some good points made) is almost too much for me. Just some highlights of this one.

- 'fox news is the only news broadcast that is not extremly liberal.

I hate liberals.' A brilliant rebuttal. Nice zing at the end.

- '^really? im not so sure about that one......fucken dumbass' In reply to above post, Skiunit03 makes sure to not be outdone in the worst reply ever contest. Not only is it hard to tell what hes saying. By the way, its fuckin, even if youre somehow typing slang.

Next comes the granddaddy of intelligent posts.. get ready to be intellectualized -

'Fox news is not the only right wing media source?? Not even on TV its not! CNN NBC and all that crap are owned by Fox, so how do you think CNN feels. Jesus retard. There are barely any Liberal media sources in comparison. The best one happens to be the daily show. In newspapers, the 'liberal media' so the conservatives say, are owned by them to act a little liberal so they can be take offs for the conservatives, so there are few media sources you can trust.'

This post is almost too good to pick apart. I just want to leave it in all of its glory. We get passion, incomprehensible sentences, and a conspiracy about conservatives owning media outlets and paying them to 'act a little conservative, so us republicans have something to complain about' and best of all, a shameless promotion of the daily show as a legitimate news source ( dont get me wrong, I love the daily show, but I dont exactly watch it for the accurate, no nonsense news. And, can someone decypher the meaning of the first two sentences for me? He says fox news is not the only right wing media source (a point he is trying to make), follows it with question markes (Implying that he is amazed at the absurdity of what he just said) and follows it with 'Not even on TV its not! I cant even tell what hes trying to say in that sentence.

- 'TO all Bush supporters: GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! Then talk about Bush, you will see.' What will they see? How many people disagree with them? Because there are so few people who disagree with them here?

Lastly JD May, while you are a beacon of logic in this crazy mixed up forum, I have to call you on the fact that in the post where you were accusing somebody of using words that dont exist, you used the word noone, which doesnt exist. Maybe its just a typo and Im taking it a little far, but the irony was too much for me to let go.

Nothing quite like rambling to end the night right.

 
i stopped when it talked about WMD. if he still had them when we envaded iraq, we would have atleast found a sizeable amount of them by now instead os materiel that could have been furtalizer!

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then i read on. but i didnt bother with the millatary stories, becuase that shit is too easy to make it say what you want it to say (examples: this article and Ferenhite 911. both are good examples from oppsite ends of the political spectrume) anyway it basically says that we have brought utilties and shit like that to iraq, yet some how the citizens of Iraq still seem to want us out! humm wounder how this could be. mabey the REAL death toll (not the one you will find from fox...). Hell, mabey there is somthing else too.

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Hooked on phonix phucked me up

it's obvious, Bush sucks.....

 
its funny to see how much in a hurry US coperations are in to 'help iraq'. and by help i mean get money from.

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Hooked on phonix phucked me up

it's obvious, Bush sucks.....

 
Yes, typo... it should have been no one. I didn't point out his typos either, so that negates the irony... which is disappointing, because I'm all about irony.

I think CC's post makes a bit more sense if you subsitute ! for ? in the first sentence.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
Ok, in my defense, all of the following are words:

evidential (I made a typo, replacing the second i with a u, they are next to each other on the keyboard) - adj. - Of, providing, or constituting evidence.

unsound - adj. - Not true or logically valid; fallacious.

founder - verb - To fail utterly; collapse.

For some reason i felt compulsed to defend myself, now I'm done, and I'll just let it go.

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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
 
^ way to fight for your right to party... and to use the word supererogotory... oh.. you didnt use that one... next time... next time...

Mercy's eyes are blue

When she places them in front of you

Nothing holds a roman candle to

The solemn warmth you feel inside

 
i am too tired to read all this. So, who is for bush here? I don't know. Its just too much.

proudly representing ISCHGL, TIROL, AUSTRIA
 
Those points on good that has come from the invasion of Iraq are completely invalid because it was wrong to invade in the first place and was done so under lies and deciet. Also, there can be no cost given to human life, which is what the US did. Shame on who ever posted this and whoever compiled it. The Ns will never justify the neans in this situation. For ever once of good that came out of Iraq, a pound of death and desctruction was the price. The country is a mess, the people are divided, their religion is shamed daily, they are without food, water, electricity, and pride. The iraqis live their lives under the surveilence of forieng troops in their own homes. This was the birthplace of humanity and the US, believing we are always the end all be all, has destroyed a great deal of that birthplace. Yes Saddam burned and pillaged some as well, a great deal in fact, but, it was his country. He would have died and there were already plans to usurp him by his closest advisors. It is too bad some of you will read these 'benefits' and think, gee it is good we invaded, we are actually helping. Never lose sight of this: The US invaded a soverign nation unprevoked for reasons based on lies given to the public. THAT is the bottom line and nothing can take that away or JUSTIFY it. To not take responsibility for one's actions makes deprives us of what allows us to exist. We are the actions we decide to take, we do not exist through twisted words and false hopes, only actions. And throughout this administration, actions have spoken louder than words.

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'haha he told his parents ahbout his ginormous cock.... what a fag' - linemaverick540

'I wonder why haters tend to be idiots?' J.D._May

 
I can give you the one and only good thing to come out of invading iraq. Saddam is out fo power. All this other bullshit is just that.. bullshit.

-Pat Melvin

WBP|films

'Who's not 18 yet? What? LA LA LA LA LA LA! I can't hear you.' - Jay
 
If I was an elementary school teacher and some 5th grader handed that shit in, I'd throw it back at him and tell him to go sit in the corner. Thats what that 'report' is: sub-par 5th grade kiddie shit. All those statements are ordinary things blown out of proportion.

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'Dude, check out this nasty gouge.'

'Your mom has a nasty gouge.'

'221 is fucking hilarious'

~221
 
Ns and Neans? Is that super intelligent code for ends and means? I really hope you didnt do that on purpose, because it would really make me laugh....

Seriously though, Ive got to stop picking apart posts and start commenting on the content. I swear I have something reasonably intelligent to say, sometimes its just too much fun to rip on the presentation of other posts....

And JD, I dont hold it against you, there are typos in my posts im sure, but it made me laugh nonetheless.

 
Some what off the topic, but since a particular someone felt it was important...

It's C A N A D I A N. You know, what you are and all. What you drink sometimes. Or maybe coolers?

signatures are for pussies

 
Cousin Scotts posts made me laugh, and they come across as him trying to sound smart for everyone. I picked apart half of his first post and came up with this.

Post 1

221 is trying to oppose what is said in the report, everything that fox has stated in thier report is based on evidence. (evidentual fact hahaha)(Please read the article so you dont only listen to JD may). The statements by 221 are either off topic, wrong because he has taken them from different situations, or based upon some skewed sense of reality seen only by himself (what the fuck are you trying to say with that last one?)

Yeah, he is a moron. way to go cousin scott, my insult now has some 'evidentual fact' behind it.

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Afterlame, fall 04

Watch The Scanners! Its unreal

 
hey aceofspades, by replacing evidential fact with the evidence, the emphasis on my assertion that what Fox was reporting is factual is lost. I wanted to make sure to explain that they use factual information as evidence, and not unfounded claims. My choice of words explains that, while still being concise. I could've written my post much like you decided to word it, but then it becomes vague and worthless, discrediting my argument.

Don't try to insult me again until you learn to read critically.

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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
 


Maybe you should read your post before submitting it, as you confirmed everything I said. Lets do this one piece by piece too.

by replacing evidential fact with the evidence, the emphasis on my assertion that what Fox was reporting is factual is lost. I wanted to make sure to explain that they use factual information as evidence, and not unfounded claims.

Ok, you are saying that in theory fox COULD be using unfounded claims as evidence *cough*. Ill accept that, but in genereal when you are using the word evidence (To indicate clearly; exemplify or prove) one wouldnt expect you to be talking about unfounded claims - what kind of proof is that. Your use of 'Evidential Fact' was useless, and you tell me exactly why:

'I could've written my post much like you decided to word it, but then it becomes vague and worthless, discrediting my argument.'

-Cousin Scott

'Cousin Scotts posts made me laugh, and they come across as him trying to sound smart for everyone.'

-AceOfSpades

What you said is what i said you say (heh). You try to sound smart on the internet to make people listen to you, but your post provided no 'evidential fact' of its own. It ended out looking a meaningless post that went through a thesaurus.

The reason people's opinion is solely based upon the whims and misconstruing commentary given by JD May is that he puts up alot of evidence to back up what he says. All you give to the thread is a bunch of big words that state something that really doesnt add anything to the argument.

si?

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Afterlame, fall 04

Watch The Scanners! Its unreal

 
alright, whatever you say AceOfSpades. You've missed the entire point, but I don't really give a shit. We could go on quoting and ripping each other all day, but I'll just say it to make you happy and let it die, YOU WERE RIGHT...I AM A DUMB ASS.

the end

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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
 
'At Abu Grhaib prison, Saddam's regime regularly carried out executions' Well 38 of the 50 states and the US federal government also carry out executions. What are you trying to say?'

are you shitting me? You're really trying to make a logical comparison here? That's absolutely retarded. Putting someone to death because of them commiting murder, after having been tried in a court of law, with the oppurtunity to appeal, and still having been found guilty, is absolutely different than killing someone based on the desires and selfish whims of a bastard of a man. I dont know what logic you're trying to use to make that comparison. I am completely open in this iraq argument...trying not to make a deicison based on other peoples opinions, and solely on some elses 'facts'. But, sometimes you guys kill me. You're either so Fox, or so farenheit 911 (sorry for the comparison) that you can't make a logical decision for yourself. Read the facts guys. There was alot of good and bad that were involved in this war. Its certainly not a cut and dry issue like some of you make it out to be. It's very likely that we as a country were lied to, but its also definite that Saddaam Hueissen was a terrible dictator who was responsible for many murders, and ill treatment of his people. I really dont know if there was a right decision to be made here. And I am certainly not gonna go around harassing the president. how would you have liked to be in his shoes at 10:00 september 11, about to address his country? After and attack that could've been avoided had his predecessor taken charge...but whatever..thats a whole nother discussion.

also: sorry in advance for any grammatical errors...I'm not here to impress a teacher.

well to keep it real I started being a Poser Poser. I dress and act like a poser, but i'm not really a poser. I just pose to look like a poser posing. you know just keepin it underground

-youthinasia
 
Umm... vote nader

'Hey look, a gay newly wed couple, burning the American Flag.'

'So shut up, listen, and accept whatever we tell you, because we're Fox, and you'll believe what we WANT you to believe.' -J.D.May

 
'alright, whatever you say AceOfSpades. You've missed the entire point, but I don't really give a shit. We could go on quoting and ripping each other all day, but I'll just say it to make you happy and let it die, YOU WERE RIGHT...I AM A DUMB ASS. '

Sorry, i just love a good arguement. no hard feelings.

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Watch The Scanners! Its unreal

 
Ya, of course not, I just don't really care anymore.

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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
 
J.D._May: 'There's no point in arguing with what you say, because you're way too convinced you're right to ever back down even a bit.'

And your not?

Your bashing of the 'MILITARY STORIES' is completely baseless. You sound like your saying that this is a bad thing to be proud of the many TRUE stories coming out of Iraq(some exaggerated(email chain letters) but not propaganda). I admit there are many many terrible things going on that no one hears about, but at the same time there are more good things happening. Don't believe me? That's fine, continue to dwell in your ignorance. I'm a marine that has several buddies in Iraq as we speak.

I somewhat agree with your statements about Fox News, BUT they are a little bit too harsh in regards to what you can compare them to (MEANING: Fox is 100% better than CNN / MSNBC).

 
Well, I can't say I agree with you about CNN. I recently spent a couple of days straight watching CNN for 5 hours a day, to see where they ended up on the scale of bias (considering evryone's complaining so much), and they did really very well in what people they had on their programs (both sides were well represented, and in a lot of cases, the right was BETTER represented than the left). The hosts took a slanted view sometimes, but didn't interfere with what their guests were saying regardless of their political agenda. My theory is that a lot of people in the U.S. have a miscalibrated political compass, where things that are actually close to moderate seem leftist. For the record, most of what was being talked about was the swift boat vets for truth and the moveon.org commercials, Kerry's war record, the ohio race, and various campaign strategies... I'm not counting the economic news, since I'm no economist. I think they were a bit slanted to the left during the DNC, though there really was a lot of criticism of the speeches going on as well. Sharpton was practically flamed, and the panelists were by no means worshipping Kerry for his speech, either. When you've got Bob Dole on your panel, well... that says something. At least they're trying. I intend to see how they report on the Republican convention, that should be quite telling.

As for my criticisms of Fox up there, when I'm being THAT sarcastic, it's bound to be a little exagerrated, too.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
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