Good kids need not apply: Massachusetts stimulus money

the ones that were born with money that dont realize the work it took for either their dad or grandparents to get to the rich stage?
 
an honest hardworking person will take ajob he needs to if it comes down to it.

i hate how you guys talk about immigrants and these fuck ups who 'work jobs that we won't work' thats rediculous. i wouldve settled for any job, housekeeping, dishwashing landscaping, garbage removal, if i hadn't found my job this summer. its pretty fucking pretentious and imo racist, if i may use that word as broadly as liberals toss it around, to say that immigrants are good we should help them out so that they can do our shitty jobs for us. this is the most pathetic argument i've heard from you.
 
its not to enfore the status quo or keep it like that. but my dad doesn't work his ass off in tough times like these for someone who's fucked up their whole life, neither did my grandpa, they do it to give their kids the opportunities to achieve things that they have. this is not ;structural problems that lead tot his, its my great grandpa working his ass off when he came to America, so his children can have a easier start at life. if people looked ahead they would work hard for things they care about, their children, or, in your case haha i say that cuz you take no owness to helping others except bitching that everyone else should pay more taxes, other people. which brings me to my next point.

i don't understand why this is the governments thing to deal with. you go out and work your ass of to help someone who has fucked around all their life. the economy and the us would not work the same. i can work my ass off but anything i make cannot be given to my kids or to do things i care about or help people i care about, instead its spread around for everyone and their child they had at age 14? where is the incentive. if this is what the us is going to come to, please you, obama, anyone, let me know because honestly, i have no desire to continue college.
 
whats wrong with that? his dad worked hard to give him a prosperous family business. i don't understand why you're so against this. don't you want to give you're children great opportunities and a childhood of things like skiing. there is a way to help others without taking away from people who've worked hard to get themselves or their kids into good places.
 
She is a moron for even saying something like that in the first place. That was an incredibly incendiary comment, and if she didn't think her opponents would seize on that, she is an absolute moron. Even Obama came out and said that she probably wishes she never said that. Valedictorian of her highschool-that doesn't amount to shit in the real world. And have you factored in any kind of affirmative action in her rise? I'm sure a Puerto Rican woman who exhibits normal-above average ability looks mighty fine to a university looking for a little diversity. Sure, she may be intelligent. No one is arguing that, but she isn't brilliant. Obama was looking for an empathetic pick for the job. In reality, he meant a strinkingly liberal choice, and, to no one's surprise, the pettiness of race politics keeps going and going and going......reverse racism, or as one of my esteemed (not) colleagues here on ns so aptly coined, "racism in the right direction." If anyone here uses the word ignorant in their rebuttal, I will kill myself, because that is the only argument you nsliberals so tirelessly, to the point of being tiresome, stick to.
 
but the 'systematic diference' you are complaining about is my father working hard. is that a systematic difference, or a parent that cares enough about their kid to give him a step up at the starting line. nothing would ever progress in a world you'd create. it'd be a stagnant, mediocre nation. systematic advantages based on factors like race, sex, and ethnicity are NOT solved by dishing out money, nor are they perpetuated by my dad leaving me a mutual fund.

privately you could improve education for someone, or equip someone well, but the fact is the government is not built for that, nor able to accomplish that.

i honestly don't see how me working hard through college to give my children something great is pure dumb luck, you honestly have to be fucking with me.

i see your point with race, sex and ethnicity being systematic disadvantages, and although i;m sure we disagree on the impact of these differences, i agree they are there. but throwing governmental money at people will not solve this, neither will any crackpot politicians 'brilliant' social reformation plan. the solution is in hardworking people like you and me and many many others who care enough to give their money to the boys and girls club of America, or scholarship funds, etc. to help people with advantages that they can then pass on to their children and others they care about. and if they don't? call them a douche bag, i'm right there with ya, but its their money, and their choice. its not for you to decide what they do with it.
 
even if they are, its their fucking choice. same as it is for a poor person. who are you, or anyone, to tell them they have to do otherwise...
 
no, its not. there will still be lazy people, and people who fail. but there are kids with HUGE potential, who never get the chance because they werent lucky enough to have a father that was smart.
 
government will not solve that. you and i and others working as individuals privatly towards organizations will. thats the difference between me and you. we both see the problem, you see the solution as govererment forcing everybody to make themselves average, i see it as me, using what i've been given to help make someone achieve. shitty diction i know but i dont want to make it sound super cheesy

i dont agree with forcing people to use their money where they don't want to.
 
no, i dont see it as forcing everyone to be average. just giving everyone an even start.

if it were a basketball game, i dont want to see it end in a tie. just have the ball start in the middle and both rims at the same height
 
its not that simple. the thing we're arguing is how we get to that court with even rims.

i say people helping people out of free will in the way they believe in.

you say fortunate half is forced to give the government their money, so they can dish it out for peoples new air jordans and razor cell phones.
 
well there arent enough of those people out there.

and holy generalization batman. now were back to "poor people are inherently lazy" bullshit
 
what sort of argument can you have with someone who doesn't recognize graduating summa cum laude, from Princeton none the less, is an indication of intelligence.

The full quote is up there to be read, the meaning there and the meaning you're trying to elicit once her words are taken out of context are not related at all.

 
dude cmon it was all affirmative action. its reverse racism. THEY ARE OUT TO GET THE WHITE MAN!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
 
Almost all of my friends have had a MIP and a few have had more than that, mostly driving offenses or B&E and other stupid shit..but if you gave us small jobs with decent pay we would just go out and buy more alchy/bud with it. Mabye if we got enough we would try crazy shit like coke and LSD. This is just a bad idea.
 
ahh, you're so caring that you want with all your heart to help the impoverished, as long as no one is making you. It's all so clear now.

If you really cared that much you'd want to reform the government to alleviate suffering, rather than leaving it up to the whim of private organizations.

Don't tell me that government is inefficient either, of course it is. But so are private charities. Ever wonder how much of your donations to the boys and girls club are going to primetime television adds? Government will not get smaller because of the increasing complexities of the world we live in. The US government in particular will never get smaller because our social services need to be at least somewhat in line with our ludicrously high military spending. There is a reason all of the countries with the highest standards of living all have very high rates of government spending. It's no coincidence and I'd love an explanation of how that doesn't disprove the entire premise of your argument.
 
Using GPA or class rank as a 100 percent indicator of intelligence or ability to excel in a high priority position like that is a bit slippery. Most of you pick Bush apart for being a moron and terrible in school, but you who were of voting age cast in for John Kerry, who did a tad bit worse than Bush did as an undergrad at Yale. Both were C plus students, Bush 77, Kerry 76. Judging someone solely on their performance in school, and not on the positions they take in high profile cases is just plain ridiculous. I refer you to the CT fireman case that Sotomayor helped make a ruling on. IMO, that was a bullshit decision. and again, highschool rank doesn't mean shit. I was 71 out of 200 something at my highschool. Now I am a sophomore at UVM with a 3.96 GPA in the top 3% of the class and in the honors college. None of that means anything. I have done well for myself, but grades, gpa, and class rank are useless when you are being considered for a leadership position. I would hope that anyone would judge the positions I take before how well I did in college. Actually, IDK about that here, because the majority of you people can't stand my positions.
 
here's where you're just exhibiting plain stupidity. Education, school, college, are where you go to learn. If you do well there, you're smart. Thats just the nature of the institution. Just like if someone does well at the olympics, you say they are good at sports,or if someone wins an oscar, they're a good actor.

If someone has an outstanding record of education in highschool, undergrad and graduate work, they are smart. You don't become the editor of the Yale law review if you're dumb. You don't graduate summa cum laude from Princeton if you're dumb.

It's too bad you can't realize that people profoundly smarter than you might come to conclusions contrary to your own, this doesn't make them stupid. It means you've got some work to do to understand their reasoning. This is hard to do, and your lack of attempting, ironically, makes me think you're a lazy deadbeat (which probably isn't true)

having an outstanding GPA after 4 semesters of undergrad work? oh wow, good job on all those intro courses you've been taking... obviously your GPA doesn't mean anything as of yet. Keep it up, graduate with a sweet tassle aroud your neck or a medal, and it does mean something. If you're as smart as you claim you are, then why would you put all the effort into maintaining such a high GPA while also believing it to be worthless. Plain contradiction there.

Work on giving people the benefit of the doubt, be charitable in understnading what they say and do. Refusing to do this makes your possition easy to ignore. If you can't do this, and just jump to attributing your oppinion of the proper interpretation as fact, any valid points you might have are undermined.
 
The fact that you live in Vermont, ski in Vermont, and have not realized that this is not the case yet BAFFLES me. You MUST'VB had exposure to legal foreign workers at some point in your life.

If Americans were doing these jobs, then why were American hospitality companies across America needing and hiring legal, visa'd workers this past winter despite many being unemployed?
 
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