Gondola - Roundhouse to Rendezvous

thecoyote

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Intrawest is seeking the environmental approvement to put in the 50 million dollar Gondola from the Roundhouse to the Rendezvous. For those of you not from Whistler thats from the top of Whistler to the top of Blackcomb.

It would be the highest in North America, hanging 500m above the valley floor with 24 cars.

I think its a waste of money and that they could put some new lifts into symphony or flute bowl or the back of the peak chair or something. A lift costs like 5 mil maybe 10. Why build this stupid Gondola? Spend the money on more chairs.
 
Yeah, I heard about that

what the fuck are they thinking!

I really hope they don't do that

god, replace the catskinner chair to a quad! first thing they should do
 
to make a few headlines... means more ppl will go... wow lets goto whistler honey this year... yeah i know there was no snow last year, but they got that gondola... and we can pay $100 to ride it... itll be something to tell the jones about... doesnt sharon's face get all red when we do cool things they can't afford after the stock market crash...etc
 
I was kinda pumped about it, but you make a very good point....with 50 mil they could prolly put in 2 or 3 new chairs and open some new terrain! I'd way rather see that done than a peak to peak gondola.

But on the other hand, as long as its not expensive to ride, it'd be sooo convienient to be able to switch mountains in 10-15 minutes. Like if one is icey, or too busy, or your friends are on the other mountian, etc. It'd be sweet
 
i dont think it would just take 10-15 minutes. it takes what, like 25 minutes at least to go from the village to the roundhouse. plus how would you feel when the lift jerks to a stop 1500 feet above the valley flow when some little kids can't get out of the cabin fast enough.

spend the money on upgrading chairs, snowmaking, grooming, restaurants, opening new terrain, or pretty much anything else but that. it'd be a hell of an eye-sore too.
 
i think it might be kinda cool, save yourself from having to go to the bottom to switch hills if conditions in valley suck which they can ussualy do
 
All good points. Here's the question: Will it be an extra cost to ride it? Cause that would pretty much eliminate me using it. Right now, if you don't stop its like somewhere around 10 min to village, probably less, then maybe 20 back to the restaurants (not the peaks)...so to save whatever fee it is for 10 minutes plus I get to ski? I dunno.
 
that would be so fucking scary... dangling in a deathtrap stoned? i don't know why, but i feel more secure on a lift than enclosed in a gondola.
 
The next big thing?

Peak to Peak Gondola would become tourism icon, revolutionize the way mountains experienced

Published Date: 2005-09-22 Time: 10:53:57

By Alison Taylor

One of Whistler’s most pervasive rumours – the one that has a gondola suspended high in the sky linking Whistler and Blackcomb Mountains – may actually come true.

Whistler-Blackcomb has submitted an application to the province, through Land and Water B.C., to build an estimated $40 million-$50 million gondola from Whistler Mountain’s Roundhouse to the Rendezvous on Blackcomb.

The cable will stretch almost four and a half kilometres across the sky and span the Fitzsimmons Creek valley in a gentle bend, allowing riders to capture a unique, 360-degree bird’s eye view.

It will take just 10 minutes from one side to the other. That, said Dave Brownlie, chief operating officer for Intrawest Mountain Resorts in B.C., will revolutionize the way guests enjoy the two mountains.

"Once you ride it and understand it’s 10 minutes from one side to the other, it will absolutely provide more choice, more opportunity for your ski or snowboarding day," he said this week.

While providing a better guest experience was key to the decision to pursue this project, the gondola attraction is also expected to grow business to Whistler-Blackcomb and to the Resort Municipality of Whistler.

"We think that this would be a phenomenal win for everybody, not only the mountain resort business but the community and the tourism business to this resort in general," said Brownlie. "We really do need to take that next step in our product and development life cycle and I think there’s a lot of people really looking for… the next big thing."

There’s no doubt it’s big.

The Peak to Peak Gondola will set three world records. It will have the longest stretch of free span at 2.9 km – there will be no tower support for that distance. It will have the highest vertical drop, at 415 metres, from the bottom of the cable sag to the valley floor. And it will be the longest continuous lift system in the world, linking the Whistler Village gondola to lifts on Blackcomb.

It will also be the first of its kind in North America.

"It’ll become a tourism icon, much like the CN Tower or Niagara Falls," said Stuart Rempel, senior vice president of marketing and sales.

The community got its first look at the project during a presentation at Monday’s council meeting. While some councillors such as Nick Davies offered praise, others were more reserved in their comments.

"I keep feeling like our resort is becoming more and more like an amusement park," said Councillor Ken Melamed.

A self-admitted Luddite and "ski purist," Melamed said he was one of those people who thought the Peak Chair was a bad idea. Skiers should have to hike for their powder he said.

Though he vowed to keep open-minded as Whistler-Blackcomb works through the public consultation process in the coming months, he couldn’t help but express concerns about what he called a priceless and internationally famous view.

He was referring to the view between Whistler and Blackcomb with Fissile Mountain standing in the background.

"My immediate reaction is I think it’s a terrible blow for the view," said Melamed.

Brownlie presented a slide at the council meeting with a photograph of that view from the corner of Lorimer Road and Highway 99. The gondola was superimposed on the picture. From that distance the cable and the gondola cars are barely visible.

Whistler-Blackcomb senior staff isn’t surprised by the concerns about the view. These concerns are all a part of the community consultation, which they hope to address in the coming months.

Despite the concerns about the view and about Whistler turning into a Disneyland, they also recognize the resort is at a critical point in its history.

Since its peak at 616,000 winter room nights in 1999-2000, there has been a steady decline in visits to the resort. Last year, one of the worst winter weather years in history, winter room nights dipped below 500,000.

"We’re in a place where we can’t afford to be right now," said Brownlie.

The Peak to Peak Gondola is a piece of the puzzle to make Whistler’s tourism industry sustainable.

It’s also a way to set Whistler apart from the rest of the competition said Tourism Whistler President Barrett Fisher.

"Tourism Whistler is extremely excited about Whistler-Blackcomb’s plans to develop the Peak to Peak gondola," she said. "By providing guests with a one-of-a-kind sightseeing and gondola experience between two of the world’s most celebrated mountains, this initiative would serve as a year-round icon – further distinguishing Whistler from other destinations worldwide."

In terms of the environmental impact, the gondola will have a smaller footprint than a standard high-speed quad. It should also ease congestion and traffic in the village as guests can move from Blackcomb and easily make their way to Creekside on Whistler.

If Whistler-Blackcomb can find a joint venture partner in the coming months, and if other pieces fall into place with the community consultation and provincial approvals, the company will be ordering the multi-million dollar lift by the end of the year. They hope for it to be operational by 2007-08 season, in time to show off Whistler-Blackcomb as interest grows in the 2010 Olympics.

Brownlie said they are not in discussions right now with any joint partners.

"We are working our avenues of identifying potential companies or people that may be interested," he said.

The company will be working on its community engagement over the coming weeks, connecting with various local groups and hosting an open house next month.

From an outsiders’ perspective however, the news is recognized as a strategic move in a competitive industry.

"That is great news," said SKI Magazine executive editor Greg Ditrinco. "It would certainly help the congestion at the base too. I think it is very significant."

SKI Magazine ranks the top 50 resorts every year in their October issue and he has found that those on top are consistently adding new products for the customers.

"The resorts that stay ahead in our rankings are those which anticipate the next amenity that needs to be brought in," he said.

But as Councillor Melamed asked: what happens when the novelty of the Peak to Peak Gondola wears off.

"Do you ever get daunted by the challenge of coming up with new stories all the time?" he asked Brownlie.

The answer is that it’s time to take risks.

Brownlie said the Peak to Peak Gondola would stand the test of time. "This is something that really is a major opportunity for our two mountains. This lift will provide greater choice and more convenience every day for our guests."

The public open house will be held on Saturday, Oct. 15, from 2 to 5 p.m. at Legends in Creekside.

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If they are going to spend $40-$50 million, there better be some damn good skiing underneath it...otherwise dont waste your money...
 
haha too much too read, good work on your research though. And yeah it will cost extra to ride. They haven't confirmed that but they have been talking about it and I'd be shocked if they didn't charge. Intrawest is all about the cash grab.
 
exactly... they charged extra to ride peak chair this summer...

though what they'll probably do is just add an extra few bucks or so (10-15) to their lift ticket price.. that way if u ride it or not... u get dinged.
 
if we don't have tourists most of us wouldn't have jobs... so as annoying as some of them are they're much needed.
 
I think it's a terrible idea. The novelty will last about 30 minutes. After that it will just be a rusty eyesore that people will wonder how much the mountain wasted on installing it. Also people don't come to the mountain to ride lifts. They come to ski. This thing will double the value of the lift system in Whistler and add nothing to the skiing quality. I also think it will drive away more people than it will attract. Where are you going to take your vacation? Whistler, where you can ride a new gondola with a view, or Mt. Mackenzie which opened 5000 new acres this year (just using Mt. Mackenzie as a generic example here)? You want a view? Buy a postcard, take a heli-ride, hell, HIKE! You want good skiing? Go somewhere else.

Also I think this will be utterly impossible to have any accidents on. With these sort of numbers we are assured that the slightest malfunction will in fact lead to a catastrophe...

I hope this is stopped.

-m
 
Don't you think the experts may have done a little research on this before the announcement??? HEllo... These things are all over Europe's ski resorts. They are working for the ski hill folks over there, why wouldn't they work here?
 
Hm...I sense...resistance to change...

Folks who have said as much are right; the town does need tourists. Anyone remember how much it sucked for some folks working last winter when visits were down and business was slow? No tourists = no jobs, plain and simple.

Don't like tourists in "your" town? Please - don't live in a resort town then! Besides, the only difference between a "Tourist" and most of the folks that live in Whistler is the lenght of time you are there.

Suck it up and learn to roll with it.
 
More like a resistance to having to spend more $ on something I don't really care about. Now, new terrain, or replacing certain chairs, I'd care about. It'd probably cost a lot less, too.
 
well I said "more" tourists. Seriously, with the number of people from all over the world that come here every summer/ even more in the winter, and the prices of everything, I find it fairly ridiculous to use that as an argument. I am pretty shared on this one, I mean it's part of the good thing to choose one of the mountains everyday you go up and stick to it. And it's gonna cost a crapload and make the lift tickets even more expensive, probably close to Vail prices, which simply sucks. But then, it would be pretty cool to fly over fitzimmons and hit up Harmony or the peak, then go to the park. It will help balance the number of people on the mountains too...
 
i guess i was just saying i would rather visit whistler then live there...and i did for 3 years, and have learned what is best for me.
 
why would balancing the mtns be a good thing... i love being alone on blackcomb on a sick day when all the tourists are over scraping up seconds on whistler...
 
Thats why you get a job and bust your ass in the summer, and go on the EI ski team for the winter. then you dont need to depend on tourists to put food in your mouth. fuckem. tourists can die for all i care, and this gondola deal - if they are spending that much, there better be some damn good skiing underneath it. but there wont be, so im gonna start base jumping from it...

and hey Cam, where the fuck did you go?
 
Whistler didn't do well last year. Skier numbers were down. They're doing things to get those numbers back up.

Basically, to keep it simple, without tourists, Whistler is a ghost town. It simply can't survive on day skiers and locals.

Tourists don't give a shit about expensive food, drinks, lift tickets, whatever. They're in Whistler for a week, and that week has to make the other 51 weeks of the year at work bareable. So they go nuts spending mad cash on overpriced souvenirs, sub-par ridiculously expensive food, drinks that are marked up about 800% (where do you think restaurants make their profits..booze), and $69 lift tickets. If W/B were to build a gondola from Rendezvous to the Roundhouse and charge an extra fee to use it, every fucking tourist would pay for it at least once during their trip. It's a worthwhile investment, and one that will bring tons of publicity and, yes, more tourists to Whistler. Which means more money, more jobs, and more shit to do for EVERYONE. Having the world's longest tram will do that for the community.

If you haven't figured out, by now, that Whistler is more or less a DisneyLand on snow for adults, then you're a fucking retard. Yes, there's a community there, one that's completely centered on selling the mountains and resort lifestyle to tourists with money.

I love the two mountains and everything else at Whistler, but it's important to be realistic about just what Whistler is...a tourist destination for those with a lot of money to burn. It's by Intrawest doing shit like this and "taking advantage" of tourists that I'm able to afford to ride there, and I like riding at Whistler.
 
i am back in Ontario for now...paying off some debts...don't worry, you will be seeing me again soon
 
thats why i love squamish man. i live in squamish...30 misn to whistler, have a place to stay with friends..no tourists...all riding and partying. fuckin rocks
 
Come on - do you really think that an investment like that is going to get paid for with lift tickets? whatEVER.

Intrawest exists on a slightly more complex level than that. All of the operating groups - the Travel and Lesuire groups which includes an online travel agency, a points share resort property as well as all of the resorts, as well as the Real Estate group which does real estate development all pool into the same global profit category.

Capital investments like this proposed gondola come out of a corporate fund, not the profit and loss books of the local resort. Funds would also come from outside investors - which is facilitated by Intrawest being a publicly traded company. Which - oh yeah - makes it leagally responsible to show growth to its shareholders in a number of key areas - overall revenue and skier visits being two of them.

Sure it would be great to have new terrain open (like flute last year, peak to creek soon, harmony was out of bounds not that long ago....) but if there is a business case for a given development to increase overall revenues, then the business should do it, all other things being equal.

So relax - sure, your lift ticket prices might go up a bit next year (not that passes did this year from what I have seen), but it won't be to pay for this Gondola.

Besides, what kind of chump lives in town for long and pays full price for lift tickets?
 
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