"God"

and um, for the originator of this thread, does this have to do with your suicide thread? God created you, and he cares about you, more than any one else...

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
smack 89 in faith we beilive that God has allways been here since the beging of time. There are some things that we can't comprehend that is why we have faith. It is good that you are thinking about these things. God is GOOD he created snow!

 
We know there are many religions around us. Why would ours be the right one? I said ours to identify most of us in this site. (i'm not a believer, so i auto-exclude myself)

Ok, religions have been made to keep control over us. Who? The powerful,influential kind of humans.

I understand people need to feel be loved by someone greater than ourselves, it's logic, but why trust and follow 'rules' that u don't even know who really created them, and for what purpose. Maybe I'm wrong and end up in hell, but if God is as good as everyone says, he will have pity of me.

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Sick and Tired.
 
^fact is, he already has pity on you, and all his creation... the reason you are alive today is solely by His Grace...

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
Whaaaa? I respect ur faith, but believe me, if I'm alive today is thanks to my own perseverance (sp?). And I don't think I got moral strenght from him. Why wasn't he there when he had to be? You know, the day one of my friends died, I lost faith in him. maybe someday it will come back to me. Mostly, when I see and hear birds in the woods, I think they're the Earth's own creation.

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Sick and Tired.
 
sinister God gave us free will so we can choose what we want to do. This includes the free will to choose Him as your Lord and Savior.

 
haha, it's funny, you're telling me exactly what the american family I stayed with (they kicked me out for debating over the war in irak; the mom had been serving for quite a few years, and the father was the puertorican soccer coach of the Maine school I was in). I don't know why, but when i left, i felt bad for them, for having a crappy existence. (it's my opinion) They based their whole life on God's rules. At the time I thought religions restrained freedom. Specially for saying don't drink, don't have unnecesary sex, and bla, bla bla...

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Sick and Tired.
 
ok, sinsiter: Gods Providence, or Plan if you will, controls what happens, and nothing happens without him knowing ans approving: the fact that your friend died was part of that plan, and wether the consiquence be good or bad, its part of His plan for you... note that God promises that He will never test your faith beyond your capabilities, but that you have the choice to not follow him: thats what i mean by his gRace: you are alive today bacause God has grabnted you so, and he did the rest of Creation which as a rebel towards him in sin does not deserve to exist. but we do, thanks to His Grace...

im sorry to hear about your friend, but that was part of His plan for you, be it for the good or for the bad, and since this is a fallen world, death happens, and its by His grace that anyone is alive today...

God bless you, im going to bed.

end rant

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
sinister a few posts up you said that religions are created to control people, and i just wanted to say something about that, religions were not created to control people, they were created at first in an effort to answer unanswerable questions, as time went by people started seeing that people believed so strongly in these religions that they could mold the world by writing rules that would be not so fun now, but youll get rewarded in the afterlife, its away to keep the masses in order, to keep the impoverished happy. but the way i see it, why waste the life i know i have for something after life that i might not even be waiting for me

 
when you look at nature itself, how can you think there isn't a god. for example look at the distance the earth is from the sun. if we were only a little tiny distance further, the earth would freeze and a little closer and we would fry. god is in the details. look at the complexity of a cell. look at snow. personally i think life is infanitly too complex to have happened by chance.

'This sucks. Let's go monoskiing.'

-McConkey

 
well if you think about the creation of the universe alot then you start to think about why the fuck there was the big bang or whatever. eventually you come to realize that there simply are no feasable explanations for the beginning of time or the beginning of a physical universe so at the very beginning it certainly seems that there is some devine purpose in everything

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'You got like, three feet of air that time!'
 
'actually, evolution is 100% proved legit. Microevolution that is. Macroevolution is where the assumptions and theories come in.'

be careful with your words. i know you know what youre talking about, but word it better. to me, microevolution should just be called variation, as it only occurs within a species. because if i go up to you and say evolution is impossible, im likely referring to macroevolution. but when that registers in your mind, you are baffled as to how i cant see that evolution exists, because youre looking at microevolution as proof for evolution. and when you say that evolution is alive and well, you refer to microevolution, which creationists and evololutionists alike know is an active process in this world.

so the micro vs. macro thing is where most confusion begins in these debates, and for that reason i really wish the word 'microevolution' didnt exist. anyhow...

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

I don't condone this.
 
i dont understand how you cant believe in god......how did everything start? and dont give me big bang shit....cuz what the hell caused the bang?

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'To the natural style'
 
I haven't been one to believe in God most of my life..so that left me to believe in evolution. Though, recently I have been questioning myself of where the 'ultimate truth' is to either one. There is none? Not that I or have seen anyone to prove. Both have their flaws. Religion being based on this 'faith' and has no proof to back it at all. And on the other hand, evolution and science, though this tells us how we as humans were made and evolved into, it fails to give us insight on how everything began. I don't just mean how this world or earth began, but I mean everything as a whole, how anything could exist at all in the first place. I mean, imagine if there was nothing, what would it be like, there would be nothing to be like, one would never know? And where did this ‘creator’ of ours end it? We live in a world of limits, but there may be no limits out there. It's a hard topic to grasp because it is so abstract, like another dimension. Also, if we were created by something, why would it have to be a soul creator, a 'God'? Could it be many different forces acting upon us, and not just this one soul force? I don't really know..I haven’t given up, but now I just tend to believe this life may be but a dream? A series of dreams, our afterlife, may just consist of but another dream, in a completely different world, for infinity? Maybe?...

 
'He was a wise man who invented god.'

-Plato

Eh, I believe. Take enough phil and you'll find persuasive reasons to. Not ID, though. ID is for complete fools.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
Atheists: Here's a proof of God's existence. Try disproving it. Well, you'll have to figure out just what the hell he's talking about first, but after that point...

''Therefore, Lord, you who give knowledge of the faith, give me as much knowledge as you know to be fitting for me, because you are as we believe and that which we believe. And indeed we believe you are something greater than which cannot be thought. Or is there no such kind of thing, for 'the fool said in his heart, 'there is no God'' (Ps. 13:1, 52:1)? But certainly that same fool, having heard what I just said, 'something greater than which cannot be thought,' understands what he heard, and what he understands is in his thought, even if he does not think it exists. For it is one thing for something to exist in a person's thought and quite another for the person to think that thing exists. For when a painter thinks ahead to what he will paint, he has that picture in his thought, but he does not yet think it exists, because he has not done it yet. Once he has painted it he has it in his thought and thinks it exists because he has done it. Thus even the fool is compelled to grant that something greater than which cannot be thought exists in thought, because he understands what he hears, and whatever is understood exists in thought. And certainly that greater than which cannot be understood cannot exist only in thought, for if it exists only in thought it could also be thought of as existing in reality as well, which is greater. If, therefore, that than which greater cannot be thought exists in thought alone, then that than which greater cannot be thought turns out to be that than which something greater actually can be thought, but that is obviously impossible. Therefore something than which greater cannot be thought undoubtedly exists both in thought and in reality.''

-St. Anselm

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
well my take, although wrong to others, goes a little like this... Many current day religions had their roots when civilization had really taken hold on people, although there were before, but anyway... Many have very similar structures, and try to explain the same answers, and the such. many came about trying to explain the unexplainable- such as earth creation, creation, power, events, etc. Also, most, and probably very essential, was the approach to Good and bad, good, there was heaven, virgins, riches, whatever, and bad was generally the opposite. This, for the most part, created a control on people. Anyway, its quite surprising how similar, down to the real roots, many religions are. But anyway, what really strikes me as strange is how easily Christianity could split based on beliefs- out we get is Catholicism, Lutheran, Ptrotestant, Morman, Baptist, Methadist, and many others. Looking at it, most of these small splits happen when people determine what really should be follow, and what shouldn't be, or is unnecessary. This is where I find flaw: The idea that people can change the religion to suit their needs or beliefs, yea, that's where i begin to really find religion sketchy.

I also find it interesting is how many can use religion to gain power and wealth, but that's off topic.

Furthermore, the ''answers'' that have been provided to me in the past, really don't make sense, and don't seem to have any real backing, but thats ok...

also, being spiritual is one thing, but religious is another. my view, as mangled as description was, is just that religion is flawed, but a higher power is entirely possible, but I almost could care less.

 
Why does everyone always have to take a damn side on this issue all the time. Is there anyone here like me who believes in evolution, but thinks that god set it in motion.

If you think about it, it seems quite ridiculous for a pair of glowing all mighty hands sculpting people out of mud. I am a firm believer that evolution happens, but God sets things in motion.

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Making skiing preppy again since 1999.
 
why can't everyone just trust me when i say there is no god, there never was a god

Golden Wheelchair Honorable Mention- August 1, 2004
Are Dumont and Wilson enemies like Draco Malfoy and Harry Potter?- K2ripper
 
you know, i would love to be able to believe in a god. but i have the tendency to see passed the bullshit.

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I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex.

'When you have a fat friend, there are no see-saws; only catapults'
 
'He was a wise man who invented god.'

-Plato

Oh that leads you to wonder...who might this wise man be who invented this wise man who invented God?! Ahh and then who invented that wise man who invented this wise man who invented this wise man who invented God? It could go on forever! That is what makes me not believe in God, not only because I don't think there is a 'soul' creator, but also because if there was a God, where did this God come from..how was the creator created?

 
skiing. what more do you need? who would think of sliding down hills on sticks without god prompting them too?

the above may contain: opinion, religion, stupidity, brilliance, laughter, sick, or dumb luck, take it as such.

Pirate steeze, arrrr!
 
There is no way to conclusively prove one way or the other. Its really up to the individual. The concept of a 'God' as the stereotype goes, was consciously and subconsciously created but the human mind to explain unexplainable things. In ancient times, the only way people could grasp unexplainable things like everything in the physical world was to have some sort of being that controls it all. It was really the only way they could figure out how and why everything works. As science and thinking advance, people are decrypting the world, which leads the belief that there is no 'God' because things that 'It' was responsible for are explained as something else. But, at the same time, there is still so much that no scientist or great thinker has been able to explain. We have uncovered so much, but sill have so much that is not explained. There are strong arguments for both sides, but there is no conclusive argument for either.

As far as belief goes, I look at it this way:

Every faith has the concept of an after death. You are rewarded by holding good values and beliefs during life. If you kept that faith and lived as a good person you will 'go to heaven', 'have good karma', etc. If you try to live an ethical life and acknowledge a higher existence, you are living that religious ideal. So I figure, if you live a good life, what do you have to lose by believing in a God? If you are wrong about the existence of an afterlife, you have nothing to lose. There is no penalty if there is no judgement day upon death. If you live a good life and acknowledge a higher being you have nothing to lose. All religions are essentially the same, it is usually in the specifics that they differ. Religion isn't just a bind belief, it is a lifestyle.

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Prepare to get raped by the people who care to much about other people's business.

-asac

RTHARTS IT MY WASTRTD ASS IS FOGOINF TO SLEEEPm FUCK ALL YOUl ... wuinny is apussy but i need skeep so fuck this.

-J.D._May

A closed mouth gathers no feet.

-proverb

Proud member of the d-loc fanclub
 
my belief is that god was and is an idea created by man out of fear of death and fear of the unknown.

Jesus saves!

Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
 
^which is in a way what i said before

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I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex.

'When you have a fat friend, there are no see-saws; only catapults'
 
Sometimes I'd love to have faith in God. only sometimes. Cause for the most part, he doesn'tr give me shit. You might think he gave me life, and the earth, and this kind of stuff. But what he really gives me is confusion.

And I don't know, but.... why did God create drugs for his sons to use? What the hell is up with creating the Amanita Muskaria (very abundant over here)? Why the hell did he create this kind of world, with divided societies (i know he is not entirely to blame, but he's got something to do)which have had (and still have) wars only cause of their religions! What the fuck! There are so many incongruences(sp?) that it just weakens more the cement which religions are built with.

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Sick and Tired.
 
^he didn't create the world this way...

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
Sure, he didn't create the world to be this way, but he didn't create it to be entirely impossible for those things to happen. The question is, do you think this God knew what struggle he would make for man kind in the following years after he would create this race which only seems to carry on misery (as in wars, hate, and division) to this day? Much like, when he created people to be different colors, do you think he is to blame for racism and making it possible? Or how he has created people to not hold the same beliefs, is he to blame for religious wars? Or are the people to blame, is society to blame?

I don't beleive in God, but I still think that society has much to blame in this all even if there was one..but still, are our actions a dirrect correlation to God?.. so in some ways God might be to blame. But who wants to point our finger at anyone anyways, we all have most potential of being good I guess. So society brings about much of the bad, and so does God for creating something that could come about this way. eh, it is one that could go either way though..

 
As berkley said 'We are God's thoughts.Our world is like a book,it comes from the thoughts.Nothing is real,but does exist.'

Responsability,what's that?
 
all ive got to say is wach this movie (what the bleep do we know) is verry intresting and its kind of puts a diffrent light on god though that is not the purpose of the movie. its a independint movie so it might be hard to find but it make you think!

 
well, i have talked enough... sinister, i do live in a bubble, and im glad you respect that...

read genesis 1 next chance you guys have, that all...

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
trust me ive done my fair share of bible study the topic is very interesting to me, but it just doesnt make sense

 
Did anyone bother to read my post above? Come on, you should... I mean it logically proves the existence of God, that's gotta be worth something.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
maybe im stupid, but im not getting much out of that, you think you could do some paraphrasing for me jd

 
yea, it is very complicated... but understandable i think, though you have to re read to know where you are in there...

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...Also, sarcasm is undetectable online...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
Um.... basically, the premises are that first, the greatest possible thing ('that than which nothing greater can be conceived) can be conceived in thought. We can imagine it. However, it clearly isn't the greatest thing possible if it ONLY exists in thought, because wouldn't it be greater if it actually existed, and could accomplish things? Of course. So unless the greatest thing we can conceive in thought exists not only in thought but in reality also, we have a contradiction: we've already admitted that we can THINK of the greatest thing possible, but unless it exists in reality too, it can't really BE the greatest thing possible. Therefore, it exists in reality necessarily. It's all very confusing.

Hooray for philosophical sleight of hand.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
wow, props to you for paraphrasing, i got that!

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...Also, sarcasm is undetectable online...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
Well, I'd like to see someone disprove that.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
ok i could be way off but it sounds like this dude is saying that if you think of something that is greater than anything else that can be thought then it must be real, but that doesnt seam to do shit for that argument, it just seams stupid

 
Ubersimplified version for Samck and others:

Premise 1: We can conceive, in our minds, of the greatest thing possible.

Premise 2: Something which exists in reality is greater than something which does not exist in reality.

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Conclusion: The greatest thing possible must exist in reality, or else the thing we are conceiving of in premise one isn't really the greatest thing possible.

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In a haze

A stormy haze

I’ll be around

I’ll be loving you

Always

Always

Here I am

And I’ll take my time

Here I am

And I’ll wait in line

Always

Always...
 
^perfect...

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Aujourd'hui pour être fun et bigarré, frais et bein formé, il te faut savoir à casser!
Le cassage est un art, ne le pourissez pas!

Là tu vois tu peux pas répondre: t'es amoli, déchiqueté, astiqué et complétement cassé!!!! a yé, t'es prêt a pleurer!

I'm an idiot, so don't mind me...Also, sarcasm is undetectable online...

I'm also a unique creation of God, just like everyone else...
 
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